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I mean it's worked pretty well so far considering that that's been one of the main points against me so far this day, with not too much else to back it up.

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Antori

Im putting this here for now. I didnt vote last time, and I think not voting two days in a row would be a waste.

I think reading that heavily into that one part of Shadow Gods post is just kind of ignoring what anyone else is saying, and I feel like you might just be hoping everyone else is into it enough to get me lynched and maybe give you another night.

I could be wrong, but I need to at least try to act instead of stand idle all day.

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GS:

I’ve been busy, alwite? I still don’t see it. I read the pages you told me to read a couple more times, and I don’t see it. You’re trying to trick me by posting pages of long posts of TWG-lingo words. “It’s in there. If you don’t see it, that means you’re not paying attention/you’re inactive/you’re really bad at this game, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t actually summarize my thoughts. Go back and read it a couple more times until you finally understand, it’s in there.”

Sanzath:

Where you said Shadow’s vote came from is the exact reason I can’t find it. It’s just random, lucky votes. Gotcha. But that also means all my previous reads are garbage because they’re based on the random, lucky votes.

Nah, Antori and dragon are no longer my vote. My vote’s for goldenstinger.

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hiya

Yesterday, instead of sleeping I was thinking about this whole thing. I promise I will make a reads list before the end of the day in case I get killed.

Right now, I'm trying to shift my thinking to mechanics, and this is affecting the way I post. As I was falling asleep, my mind was going adrift and I had a bunch of ideas. I'll list them in 3 separate posts, I hope they make as much sense now as they did to me yesterday.

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Thought #1 : A dead wolf's reads list

Because of the number of wolves in this game, this reads list from Shadow_God_10 is the only opportunity we will have at looking into a confirmed wolf's mind (before the end of the game):
Before we read into this list, we must determine what was Shadow_God_10's as he was posting it.

Before we do, some facts:
* The list was posted 5.75 hours before his lynch
* At the time of his post, the votes were:


Was Shadow_God_10 trying to save his own skin?
Surely. Reads look good in general, and he was probably hoping either H&H and/or I would remove our votes on him. The votes on him at that point weren't based on deep arguments: H&H voted right out of the gates, and I voted Shadow_God because his tone seemed "off" (aka nothing concrete, I wanted him to post just to get a better idea of his tone). In theory, the vote switch could have happened: H&H's vote for Shadow_God was during his 3rd post, which was the 5th post of the entire game. I believe H&H is the only one who aimed at the same person for the entirety of d0, so Shadow_God was probably hoping H&H would "be reasonable" and do like everyone else, which is to move their vote around. As for me, I switched votes a lot during d0, so Shadow_God was probably still feeling rather safe. I think the only point at which he felt in danger is when he posted
just 1h10m before the deadline, at which point he went after gold stinger, probably thinking "There's no way I'm getting through this by arguing, so I'll use votes instead".
Was Shadow_God_10 trying to shift blame?
What I think: Probably. He did list me as wolf. Unless I'm mistaken, the only other person who had me as a wolf lean was Hateandhatred. I think Shadow_God was trying to get a bus rolling, but it never worked.

The other wolf leans Shadow_God had in his list were Yoshi and Antori.

Shadow_God and Antori: They had a bit of back and forth, with Antori's defense only being
And for some reason this was automatically satisfactory for Shadow_God, who went on to pressure Yoshi right after.

Sanzath actually pointed at this interaction:
I agree that it feels odd, kind of like "there and done". No one else had the time to step into that interaction.

Shadow_God and Yoshi: Still null, no interaction at all from what I can see.


Was Shadow_God_10 protecting his wolf partner?
That's the million dollar question... Since he was "wolf leaning" me, I'm tempted to say that, yes, he was protecting his partner. He made this list 5.75 hours before getting lynched, hence he probably did not expect to die. He must have felt relatively safe. He either posted this list and expected his problems to go away, or he expected to die (!?) and posted this list to throw us off on d1.

Was Shadow_God_10 trying to create/join a bandwagon?
I think what was going on in Shadow_God_10's mind was what he could create a "tie" by voting for Gold Stinger. In fact, that's what he attempted 30 mins before the lynch, but because GS was able to shift his vote, Shadow_God perished. Shadow_God could have chosen dragonmegaXX or Hateandhatred (Sanzath had a vote on H&H at that point), but Shadow_God opted for GS for some reason. I believe this was a bad decision on Shadow_God's part, because
* In my opinion, GS was much more convincing as a town during d0 than dragonmegaXX. The reason Shadow_God gave for voting GS was:
(of course, he never came back)
* If dragonmegaXX is the wolf, Shadow_God could have taken the opportunity to distance himself from the wolf, or possibly even take credit for their lynch.

While I have my reasons to say it was a bad play, Shadow_God was probably not being careless. Do the points above suggest Shadow_God had an agenda when posting for GS?

-> If GS and dragonmegaXX were both town: Shadow_God should have voted for dragonmegaXX. It would have been much easier for him to start a bandwagon and would have probably spared his life. He should have known dragonmegaXX is not active and hadn't cast a single vote at that point, making it a smaller risk.

-> If GS is wolf: Shadow_God would be pulling a reverse psychology on us. This would mean that GS is a freaking alpha wolf for being the final nail in the coffin of his partner. This play is way too risky in my opinion. I list it here for completedness, but I don't see this happening.

-> If dragonmegaXX is wolf: Shadow_God's only way to escape elimination is to vote for the only other town in the lynch pool. Seems more probable than GS as wolf.

?? What if Shadow_God had voted for Hateandhatred? That would have been the worst case scenario for towns at d1, because there would be no new information to extract (both are dead).


My takeaway:
- This makes dragonmegaXX and Antori look bad.
- Yoshi comes out 100% Null. Again. And I don't like that.

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Thought #2 : When a wolf gives up
One set of posts that I couldn't get out of my head after the lynch was this one:

(6 minutes before deadline)
(4 mintues before deadline)
We go from
* Hey guys gimme a sec I can prove I'm innocent
to
* bye, I give up, see you next game, (soon you will know I'm a wolf and I'm ok with this)

There has to be a reason between this sudden switch in tone. I'll try to explore some of them

* Wolf chat interaction (aka "STFU, let me take it from here")
To me, this seems very probable. I can picture it in my head:
If we want to believe this option, I think it gives a certain character to the other wolf:
* Planning for the next days of the game, worrying that some slips might get out during eod
* Confident that they're better off playing alone than risking being handicapped with a slip

Overall, to me this just screams "Veteran wolf", someone who has rolled wolf before, or has seen enough games to see where that eod was headed. Someone active enough to catch Shadow_God in mid-air and prevent them from spilling some beans.

Looking at our set of players, this would put some light on:
- Gold Stinger (hate to list him, because I like GS very much this game, but if he was wolf this is how I think he would play it)
- Melloncollie
- Sanzath



* Shadow_God_10 just didn't feel like playing anymore?
Maybe no one told Shadow_God to give up.

Maybe he had just had enough.
He told us he had had health problems the day before, so he could have been recovering. Maybe he was getting too stressed out and he started to feel physically ill.

However, I doubt that Shadow_God hara-kiri'd out of lack of interest. His last post says "I'll catch you guys in the Post Game/Deadchat.", meaning he's excited for the game to end so that he can be able to discuss it in more details later on.

Anyway, if this option was the case, it probably invalidates the option above, so it's worth considering if this was Shadow_God's state of mind at eod.

My takeaway:
If we read correctly Shadow_God's quoted posts above, we might be able to understand what kind of wolf partner we're dealing with.

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Thought #3 : There's only one wolf left
I think this is the first time I'm in a game where there's only one wolf left standing. This got me thinking about how the mechanics change from this point on. The wolf is now unable to communicate with a teammate, both in the thread or in the secret wolf chat. This got me thinking.

We are all town except for one wold
This is a big change in mechanics. Fewer moving parts. The wolf has no possibility to vote or distance themself from their wolf partner from this point on. The only way a wolf can look good right now is by:
* Providing believable town reads (which should be easy, because the wolf knows anyone and everyone around them is town)
* Arguing a townie out of a lynch (which will always happen if they try)

I think "town reading" each other will give us a false sense of security. If I was a wolf on d1, I would try to make as little waves as possible: being invisible. It's easier to do this by "town reading" people than by "wolf reading" them. I think the wolf will still do their best to jump on a mislynch bus, but on d1 it seems risky.

This is why I delayed my posting a bit, I didn't want to overly influence the wolf's strategy.

Conclusion: To find the wolf this phase, I'll look at users who are
* easy going
* making obvious town reads (possibly to get people to agree with them and find them not menacing)

... I'll also be looking at people who seem to change personality after this specific post.

[b]How can a lonely wolf earn town's trust?
The wolf is in a tough position:
* All of their "town reads" will be correct
* ... But all of their "wolf reads" will be wrong

Thus, I believe the wolf will make as little reads as possible, not to leave any traces (especially if, after reading my Thought #2, we think we're dealing with a wolf who cares about slips).

I think that, if pressured, this wolf will give reads, possibly on all current players, but with no pressure, I don't see an incentive for them to give some bs reads (unless they are veteran, planned ahead and did exactly this). I also think that this post will influence the wolf's behavior, so I'll stay on the lookout for this.

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Errata:
in thought 1:
Before we read into this list, we must determine what was Shadow_God_10's intent as he was posting it.

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Errata:
in thought 2
In the wolfchat, I meant "shadow" to say only 6 minutes left

in thought 3
We are all town except for one wolf

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Yeah I didn't preview my posts, lol

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I don't think gold stinger is the wolf....
But if my earlier reasoning is correct, I don't think you're wolf either.

Really, one scenario I'm seeing here that ticks all the boxes is melloncollie

* Doesn't post a lot
* Town reads everyone (she did ask Antori to defend themself, but melloncollie never made a flat-out wolf read)
* Is the most likely to tell Shadow_God to STFU in wolf chat as illustrated in my thought #2
* I can see Shadow_God reacting within 2 minutes to melloncollie telling him to STFU


(melloncollie probably didn't use the words STFU, but you get the idea)

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When I say "doesn't post a lot", I was mostly referring to d0. She did post a bit more (as she promised she would) in d1, so the inactivity doesn't factor in at this point in my opinion.

Rather, it has more to do with the fact that every post seems to very much go with the flow. It just stands out even more considering how limited her post count is.

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Alright, done for now. Excited to hear what you guys think

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Sounds good enough. melloncollie

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wait, what happened to your gold stinger vote?

Why do you agree with me?

Remember, I have you on a wolf lean. I don't like driving a wagon with you on board

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See my thought #1

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Honestly wow’d with how much thought you put into that. The only thing I thought odd was that you said I seemed in the top two most suspicious people in thought one, but then in thought two you said you found the people who were town reading the hardest were the ones who should auspicious, when I’ve spent today mainly just trying to defend myself. Though that could just be because I don’t have much faith in turning out reads right now, and also I’m just prone to focusing on myself in this kind of scenario anyways.

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Who should be suspicious* typing on mobile with have the text box visible is fun.

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Everyone seems to trust you and your arguments sound good.

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Try to explore different scenarios, that's why I separated my thoughts into different posts. They sometimes suggest different explanations to similar phenomenons.

1) I listed you as wolf because of Shadow_God's reads on you.

2) I listed (and eventually voted) for melloncollie because she behaves in a way I think fits a wolf at this point in the game.


1) is based on evidence we're not fully sure how to interpret (maybe it's not even evidence)
2) is based on gut and pattern recognition.

Either one could be right. I'm listing everything I can in case I get killed.

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There's a flaw in your reasoning.

Yes, everyone trusts I'm town. BECAUSE I'm town, it also means I do not have knowledge of who the wolves are. The way I see this is, the more you know someone is town, the more you know they don't know anything. I'm just shooting ideas.

If you follow my ideas blindly, you are one of two things:
- A wolf taking advantage of my ideas (because they fit your agenda)
- A lazy town

I liked you more when you were voting for gold stinger. Alas, I disagreed with your vote, but at least it showed some effort to challenge ideas (gold stinger is a hard town). You were starting to make waves.

Your tone/intent completely shifted right after my posts. It's too sudden. It's weird. It's as if you didn't believe anything when you were voting for gold stinger.

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He’s close behind, but your reasoning is better than mine. My reasoning’s just that his argument doesn’t hold any bound.

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Fair enough, I kind of assumed each thought was it’s own separate thing and weren’t necessarily connected. Just wanted to clarify.

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my vote is gonna be back on goldstinger if dragon flips town cause i had gut he's wolfing
i still dont think mellon would be this inactive as wolf

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thanks for the "my takeaway"s MN

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Well ‘cuz my argument doesn’t sound as good in my head now, you convinced me. Though, I mean, voting for GS was just so he would explain himself, but that didn’t work, so.

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people i think are pretty town: mellon, MN
people i think are suspect wolf: GS, dragon

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Much less lazy, much more because I have no clue what I’m doing. But I am also lazy because I’m busy.

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Just realize that by voting on melloncollie you are defending her more than she could have ever hoped to do by herself, is all.

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Sanzath (1)- gold stinger
Dragon (1)- Antori
Antori (1)- Dragon
raeko (2)- Mario, Shy

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So it’s a bad thing that I agree with you?

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It was a bad idea the last times I forgot to say I had to go, so I’m saying it now. I’ve gotta go help move.

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It's just the last thing I expected you to do. Because it challenges the way I pictured you as I was making my vote, it challenges my vote.

I'm sticking to my guns and will leave my vote here for the moment. But I don't like this situation one bit.

As far as I'm concerned, you guys should wait for melloncollie to defend herself (I know she will) before jumping on the wagon.

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In the post above I'm talking about my vote for melloncollie, sorry for the confusion d-future peeps

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Your first two points are fair enough, especially about not posting. I'm hoping to get better in that regard today. I'm really not town reading everybody but I get that I haven't exactly made that clear

as for your other point, your posts are a bit dense so sorry if I'm missing something

but just to be clear you think shadow's partner told him to stop trying?

even if I was a wolf I would never ever tell my partner to give up, ever. one of my biggest peeves in this game is when people self vote or otherwise give up, I think you should always try to somehow talk your way out or at least meme rather than giving up.

I'm not sure how much I buy into that theory anyway. I think it's entirely possible shadowgod just realized his position was pretty impossible and gave up on his own. I don't think he would have needed someone else to tell him he only had four minutes

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this post really reminds me of the antori vote I picked on earlier. obviously they can't both be wolves but they bug me for the same reason

why did one post change your mind so easily?

don't you think the votes last day give us any information? what do you think about gold stinger and shadowgod voting for each other, knowing that shadow was wolf?

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are there any specific posts that give you that gut feeling for gold stinger?

do you think I was lying about being away for the weekend? basically, why would my activity be different based on my alignment?

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Just got back from work, I like what has been posted in the thread, I've read all of it, I want to post about it, but I have to go back out for about another hour or so.

tl;dr I still think we should follow the lynch order I provided, or in the situation that Raeko ends up taking the majority vote because of MN's big dick reads I am ok with swapping Raeko & Sanzath in the lynch order.

I'll post more in-depth when I get back, just going to the local bank to do some banking.

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You read that right. I think his "I'm outtie" post reads like there was some external intervention. I mean, just two minutes before that, he was still scrambling, trying to find anything to incriminate gold stinger.

Gold Stinger looks good, but I don't think he looks perfect. Considering at least 2 people voted/wanted to vote for him this phase, I think Shadow_God could have found something, anything, to sway them at the last second.

So we're back to square one. Either Shadow_God was told "you're going to make us lose, stop it!", or he gave up himself.

That doesn't seem like him, though. I truly read Shadow_God as someone who would fight until the end to a fault.

It's interesting that you say as a wolf partner you would never tell your partner to give up, ever. I guess I'll put on my archeologist hat and see what I can find. I don't want to, though. ugh lol

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**** YES

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I just just read this and I meant I've not actually seen or read a single game of TWG through before XD I need to actually do that, Im sure I'd find many shit posts hilarious.

Just a small thing from trying to reread some of this day. I missed some things obviously.

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back from bank.

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Sanzath why did you wait 15 hours to respond to some of the stuff I put on you

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It means that if you're willing to consider the scenario that the conversation between Shadowgod and Antori is fabricated, then you should also take into consideration the possibility of the conversation between Shadowgod & Yoshi being fabricated, which didn't even happen because Yoshi was not around to post.

scum leaning Antori from that back and forth would mean town leaning Yoshi for me.

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This is something I actually agree with. Wolf should have killed me.

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I also agree with this, and it's quite infuriating. If the inactive set of town (ShyYoshiGuy, Antori, Raeko, dragonmega) don't start taking the reigns of the situation and start attempting to solve the game from outside of a mechanic standpoint then the next few day phases are going to be largely inactive, and ripe for the final wolf to steer conversation whichever way they please.

At least with MN's post I am satisfied knowing that no matter who dies in the night phase tonight, there's still going to be a lot of town solving happening.

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Please wolf, whoever you are, even if you're alone in wolfchat, please write your thoughts and strategy as the game unfolds, i want to read this later

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wtf?

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imho Sanzath pre-goldstinger vote d1 seemed like he was taking advantage of that null game state. Like it helps that questions are being tossed around now, but when you reflect on MN's post (Get ready to put on your tinfoil hats for this dose of tunnel vision):

It really does seem to me, that after Sanzath wasn't getting really anywhere with me, he shifted gears to open frustration on the game and swap to asking literally everyone questions about everything.

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ok so here's my take on things as of right now:

I'm finding Antori and Yoshi suspicious for essentially the same reason. They both seem very easily persuaded and it's really hard for me to read them based on their reasoning since they both just kinda use other people's posts as reasoning.

I think Yoshi is more suspicious though based on a few things. I'm not sure about this post
it seems like excuses to sheep town read people, and not have a lot of accountability for his own reads

and also the fact that he wanted to lynch anyone inactive right off the bat. with so many inactives that seems like a safe mislynch bet for a wolf

I still think it's highly probable that gold stinger is town, and I wouldn't vote for MN today even though he is currently voting for me ;_;

Sanzath I'm going to have to read again since I wasn't quite paying enough attention yesterday and he's posted quite a bit. I liked his tone but that's not enough to go off at this point

Dragon I'm having a tough time reading despite ISOing them earlier

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What does ISOing mean?

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@gold stinger

I get the idea of a lynch order based on votes, I think it's a good idea but just not with me at the front :mrgreen:

I think yoshi or even dragon would be better for first choices

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it means isolating one person's posts

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dragonmega you really have to read from a standpoint that they've never played a game of TWG before, and whether or not they would have received assistance in playing the game through wolfchat in d0.

Antori and ShyYoshiGuy are both playing this game from a mechanical standpoint and they both aren't really reading why people are leaning the way they are. I mean, ShyYoshiGuy voting me is basically the pinnacle of that.

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reading MN's Thought posts right now

holy shit thank you

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Anytime, bud

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@MN what's your thoughts on my dragonmega read? ShyYoshiGuy didn't really see it and thought it was out there enough to vote me, Raeko can't see it

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pointing specifically to this post

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I realize this. To be honest I’ve seen both of them make simple decisions based on little to no information. When MN made his giant post, I wanted to support and maybe switch votes, but I kind of sensed it was a bait to see who would switch votes right away, and seeing Yoshi do just that kind of confirmed that. It was mainly me concerned that I wouldn’t be able to give valid reasons for why I switched or anything like that, because I don’t have a solid read on Antori or anything, I mainly voted because he was like the third person to kind of heavily read into the dead wolf’s read on me and it was getting annoying.

I understand the mechanics at this point. I’m just trying to figure out the mindsets and how people interpret things before I post things, because essentially anyone here from my perspective can be a wolf and seeing each other twist and turn votes/leads is making me nervous to come out of my shell and say anything I’m not 100% confident in.

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The only thing that makes dragon look bad in my eyes is Shadow_God's read on them. Dragon doesn't know the lingo, but it doesn't affect my opinion at all, since it's both so easy to fake and so probable to be true...

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I just think you're putting a bit too much stock into wolf chat interactions. Shadow wouldn't have been able to predict that happening after his own flip, there's no way he could have coached dragon on what "read" meant if it just hadn't come up in their chat

especially if they are both clueless wolf chat wouldn't really help much.

I think being clueless is pretty NAI in itself, since someone wouldn't know any better just by rolling a certain alignment other than a few things from wolf chat (but again I don't think we should put too much stock into that)

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Yoshi is worrying me a lot

Sanzath, I try to see GS's world, but I feel you are zoning out too much. From what I recall, he made some believable calls. I don't know how to interpret his vote on h&h, and I'm very afraid of his wolf game so I try to keep my eyes peeled... There are just so many more things sticking out from other players that I have a hard time focusing on sanz. Again, I can see him being wolf. That's because he plays exactly the same, whether he is wolf or town. We will catch Sanz by understanding the intent of his posts.

Honestly, Antori and dragon voting each other makes me think "Confused towns". It makes me want to focus my attention elsewhere

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NAI = Not alignment indicative

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sorry, I'll try to stop using so many random terms I keep forgetting this is a jTWG

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Honestly I just can't.

I truly think dragon didn't know enough about the game going into d0 eod. A lot of their posts give off generic wolf vibes and bad suggestions for game plays, not to mention a lack of TWG lingo.

And Sanzath wolf leaning Yoshi and then exerting pressure on Antori via possible back & forth with shadowgod, which:

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My dumbass also just realized GS was talking to Raeko and not me nice

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This.

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Add Yoshi in there y'all a buncha confused af towns

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I feel like this is the whole point of hosting a jTWG

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btw this is quality wifom material

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wow

cool post

Regarding thought #1:
Can you expand on this a bit? Do you mean that this particular point makes you think the wolf is within the people he townread and not within the people he nullread?

As an aside, staring at the reads list so much, I just noticed he didn't even say that Raeko was null, just that "it was good she wasn't here".

Regarding thought #2:

I still have no idea why he gave up like that. I think your wolfchat theory is interesting, but of the people you listed, Raeko's the only real possibility to me. Considering she was indeed in thread at EoD (responded to his "see you in deadchat/postgame!" post with "??"s), I suppose it could have happened.

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(accidentally posted because I forgot I was making a post for all 3 thoughts)

Regarding thought #3:

You declaring your intent to watch out for people changing their behaviour will also change their behaviour, lol

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Clarification: the "you" in my Sanzath read is Gold Stinger. I am not talking to Sanz in this post

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I don't get this, specifically the bolded part.

- you never stated in any of your previous posts that you were reading anyone based on the fact that they had voted (or not) on shadowgod. (this is why it's important to actually post what you're thinking, not just think it!)
- even if you did, "random lucky votes" are never random when they come from the wolf. A wolf doesn't "randomly" land their vote on their wolf partner. If they do, it's because they're throwing their partner under the bus (usually referred to as "bussing"), which is pretty much against their own win condition, if they do it so early in the game.

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would shadowgod townread dragonmega because mellon_collie townread dragonmega

if only the game were that simple

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I'm gonna have to reread all of Sanzath's posts now if you think he made some believable calls because I didn't see any that stood out as believable to me.

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Most of the stuff that I agree with from him are situations pertaining to the game as a whole, some of which I do agree with.

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good job btw

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I can attest to raeko absolutely hating self-votes

[daily mafia flashbacks]

But that doesn't completely discredit MN's point. You could have said "hey maybe don't do the thing you're about to do" without actually saying "yo give up", and shadowgod just took it the wrong way?

it's just a theory tho

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Oof, you right. Ok fine, I’m not sure what I believe anymore.