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I don't think I read that game.

What happened?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

My beak is bigger than yours.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Take a long, hard look at my profile picture bucko. Then look at yours.

The facts disagree

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

firstly, I definitely think I've said a lot more than "I just know Charu's a wolf"

secondly, I kind of don't really understand what you're saying about Charu when you're comparing to a previous game, sorry

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

what?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

ok there were like 3 minutes left but lol
I mean, I guess it just comes down to whether or not you believe me because I can't prove anything but like

I was probably going to stick solely because you become a werewolf expert by lynching low-posters and fg's posts all in a row were not so great

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

god I want Krispy Kreme so fucking bad

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I was cop, a newbie was doctor and we stupidly hanged him d0 while he was afk. I got WV as red, and it turned out the wolves had role seered me so I should have just claimed it even though I did manage to hang him without doing so. Meanwhile, the "wrong side of town" voted for FFA (other wolf). He ended up winning partly because he voted WV, and because people kept hanging FFA voters. Which was my fault partly, since wolves had better info to react to the situation than the town did.

Sun fan was the moderator so may or may not remember some of it.

Anyway the more I talk about this the less convinced I am that Charu has another angle to push regardless of what he is, I think it is just a ping of like, not wanting to lose the same way twice.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I kind of just remembered that wolves won, but your summary helped me remember it a good bit more

that's the kind of thing that made me roll my eyes a lot in video mafia last night; I was pushing correctly and just ended up on """"""the wrong side of town""""""

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Ok let me try some questions.

Now that you know FG is a wolf, does that inform your view of the NK choices at all?

...I forgot the other more important one ummm.

I don't know, can you be more specific about why it being a surprise that FG got hanged implicates Charu? Because in that realm, Charu is also a wolf and FG didn't try to kill him.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Just gonna leave this here

I think you need desperately to re-iso me. You'll see I pretty much went after FG almost from the start dude. Especially when you read the later half of my D0.

Let's go off what I did D0:

1. I pushed off of T-Force, and Star. Who one is confirmed town, and star is sure up to date, but his case was kinda not great.



2. I actually pushed FG on D0 and it wasn't a wimpy push.


I even explained that I lied in pursuit of my FG read



How do you even BALLPARK that I might be scum aligned?

My weaker D1?

Where I you know

if was a wolf

and only in that mistaken hypothetical mind you

Insta Lynched her.

Like, I cannot town any harder here dude, I have made ONE bad move all game.

I am not a fucking wildcard.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

ps that bad move was a post where I joked FG and T-Force used the rivalry to distance.

Literally my only misplay all game I think.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

FG is not the kind of player to lead nightkills. She and Subaru is probably the only wolfteam that could've possibly existed in this game (without counting Shadow_God subbing in) that would've lead to FG leading nightkills; she's just not that type of player. Its the partner that would "inform my view of the nightkill choices" and I've already talked about how Subaru on n1 makes a lot of sense from Charu specifically, given his meta

I think its very clear that Charu, if wolf, picked that he was not busing yesterday. He voted both xelnya and on shado, despite never mentioning xel that I can remember. I think that, at the very least, it should make people want to lynch Charu more than me, because you can at least see me not resisting the FG wagon (and I can promise you as a wolf I would've probably ended up "protesting too much")

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I cannot paranoia myself into hanging Xel anymore, size 7 text is too townie

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

My one concern with him was just that the game had played out in such a way that he has evaded scrutiny, which makes it harder to have the info to rule him out

But the way the red flip is giving him self righteousness and esteem, I like very much

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

That's cool and all Xel, but I was only giving my thoughts on who could be wolf if not thesunfan and really... do you see me going for you? No, I think you've been town, it's just that your actions always tend to have a "idgaf" vibes that I really can't take your actions as an alignment check.

You constantly hounding FG could very well be part of your plan as a fail safe, distancing and bussing are a thing I think you'd take part of.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

i've got a very large ego to be fair

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

but how big is ur beak

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

So most of FG's progression on Charu and Sunfan happened last phase. These are pretty much all of em. She seemed to highly favor a town Charu and didn't like anything against him, starting with her suspicion on sunfan in response to his Charu read early last phase.


Pretty early on in the phase, jumps right into what several people (including sunfan himself) called out as being pretty bad/funky moves by sunfan. If they're partners, she sure was quick to jump on the general game consensus of his bad play

Unsolicited read sandwiched after dropping slank cover and before following up with a read on me being weird 'cause we I'm normally likeable but we haven't gotten along this game. So seemed like she was dropping spontaneous thoughts when she shared this

This^
and this ^ both immediately followed her previous claim that sunfan's tinfoiling on Charu in her chain of spontaneous thoughts. looked to me like distancing at the time, but may also be defense of a partner which ties in to her overall theme of defending Charu this phase

quite a bit later in the phase after an absence. her first thought is to Charu

Both of these reasons give me pause. I feel like there's a lot here but it can't fully be unwrapped until her partner is known

close to EoD. appeal to Charu

It struck me as odd then and still strikes me as odd that she says "wavering on charu is a ~coincidence~" that seems either to be the world's biggest red herring or a clear indicator of a partner. I don't know how to read her finding "sunfan and shado confused about each other being interesting although not indicative of a wolf pair because it's not pure" without hitting my head against the wall

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Ok, I think my actual main ??? about wolf Charu is still the string of setup confusion at start of Day 1

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

You should probably still nightkill me if you are a wolf

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

This is my largest basis.

I had another reason where I thought his read of me matched what I'd expect from town Charu, but I don't put much weight in that anymore because his reads of me from the start of the game have all referenced in way or another that one game where he said I "assuaged his ego" as wolf DESPITE that game being a long long time ago and us having played several games together since where he decidedly did *not* act traumatized

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

*camera pan to Xel furiously typing notes*

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

bruh and bruh-esse its the first time we've seen this setup before
everyone's going to be confused about how roles work, wolves included

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

He should definitely nightkill me or else he's getting lynched for sure for sure
My evidence is in my pressure on you, Xel

also I don't wanna be around tomorrow so have mercy please

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Pretty sure wolves would ask the host extensively about hider mechanics

I know I would

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Friends, I'd like to announce I'm currently in the shower and about to get clean for the arrival of my true love.

Gotta polish my beak, it's only mandatory I display the first thing they see with a shine!

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

u were the hider in The Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned

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Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

that's the wrong clip; you're supposed to show yourself furiously taking notes

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I think there is a subforum rule regarding references to communicating with the host and I am not exactly sure where the line with that is.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

How long ago was that?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

earlier this year, I forget exactly how long
100% recent enough to where Charu should've remembered
he even died when he hid behind shado

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Was that the trailer park game ?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

WHAT PART of SHALL NOT BE MENTIONED do you not understand?!

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

IM TRYING TO SOLVE THE GAME YA NERD

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Okay, but then in that instance you'd think I have a grasp on how the hider works.

I say this game's "roleblocker" existence puts that logic out the window because of course one of the first thing any wolf should think of is "why do we have a roleblocker?" when there's only the one role that dies if they hide behind one of them and or if they hide behind their kill.

So therefor, I would, under these assumptions, ask the host to clarify IN WOLF CHAT about the nature of the hider role in this specific game as I would be wondering why on earth a roleblocker for our team even exists.

Once I've gotten the answer (by pointing to the hider role over on another website) so affirm that there's nothing special about the hider role, I would then do what I've already described in this game. I would go for TOWN reads as a kill, not random, off shoot shots like Poptart.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I can't believe I'm explaining this for the third time.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Also, my shower was nice, thank you very much.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

you have inspired me to shower in a little bit

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I cannot even find the game

thanks for not updating the history thread or the stats sheet

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

ok, the history thread is fine, I'll take that one on the chinf

I am paying devonin to do the stats

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

So what even started the thing, is he essentially admits it looks like Subaru hid behind him, under the assumption that because there is a roleblocker the hider role must not die if hiding behind dead town

Reasons I imagine the roleblocker is important is being able to better counter a claimed hider, and also it could make a town think you are confirmed if they hid behind you and do not die. It introduces more confusion and weakens the hider role. Is that really that counterintuitive? This is stuff I am literally spitballing

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I mostly got confused because this made it sound like Shado was town in that game and he wasn't

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Are you really?

And gee, you've both made me suddenly have an intense desire to shower even though I'm 110 miles from home. Thanks a lot

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

For the record, I won that game despite it being broken in favor of towns

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR SUNFAN GRIPING OR TRYING TO CORRECT ME LA LA LA LA SORE LOSER

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

yes

don't blame me, blame charu (for more than just the showering thing)

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

See, I thought, once I saw Poptart flip, that the wolves went for me, but the "hider" died instead

See OP this specific line that confused me and why I had a crisis

No where does it state the hider's role proper where the hider and the target dies as normal.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

soooooooooooooo

getting back to game...

I think I'ma vote Charu after all

My head keeps going over those funny funnygurl posts and I can't help but be drawn that way

My ego is taking a hit though 'cause I was pretty stoked on the idea of nailing the wolfteam from D0. It's okay though, my ego could probably use a hit or two

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I wish he had just put all the role PMs in the first post so I would not have this headache right now

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Look at this guy and his beak that's not big.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Not even polished like mine is now

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

hell yeah I'M GONNA LIVE THROUGH

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Psssh, okay, nobeakfan

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I do have to admit the TRYING TO part makes it super confusing

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

You're absolutely right, and I had the same dilemma at start of day until sunfan corrected us both. I don't think being confused over hider mechanics is necessarily towny though.

Reason being, wolves are pretty much mandated to roleblock every kill in this game. There's no point of doing anything else unless they want to gamble on maybe losing a NK for the chance of a double kill.

There's like, a tiny possibility that a wolf would want to roleblock the hider he knows is going to hide behind that same wolf in order to get what would effectively be an investigative clear for the wolf, but that possibility requires the roleblocker to know for certain both who the hider is, and that the hider's target is one of the wolves for

but in like 99.9% of cases, wolves roleblock every kill

so confusion over hider mechanics isn't really AI, and could easily be faked given the real mechanical knowledge that you just roleblock+killed the hider

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

this is the weirdest thunderdome I have ever had the incredible pleasure/discomfort of witnessing

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Xel WYA can you read these two again and cuss me out before sharing your thoughts again? Pretty please?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Something kind of funny is that all 3 of you (Shado, Charu, Sun fan) have in some way tried to defend yourselves by saying that you would care more if you were a wolf

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I mean, kind of, lol

I think I'd probably still be posting the same way, just with more of the "in-the-know" and all that jazz.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

which, like

Does that make sun fan look worst since he is the most tryhard?? lmao

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

that must mean its xel

to be serious, its kind of something that I think wolves often say

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

nooooooooooooooooo
Shado is trying harder than me he went back and READ things today

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Alright folks, I'mm-a probably gonna get ready to pick up a special someone and thus will be out for 2 or more hours. I SHOULD be back in time for some delicious EoD, but I think it's pretty much set and stone what's gonna happen.

Well... the paths that can happen anyways.

So with that, here you go everyone, the first vote of the phase~

thesunfan

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Remember to polish your beaks everyone when you shower tonight or tomorrow morning!

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

You care more than you meant to. I am not sure that is true of shadow

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I won't say that that's a hurtful accusation but
at least for this day phase
I will say that I don't think its true

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Xel putting FG as green and then saying it was a test to see if she would be buddy buddy with him, is just...way more complex than usual partner interaction? And then that transitions into a serious push on her that ... Only evaporates D1 because he was afk basically? And when he instas her he is not even trying to get credit, he says Charu was better.

FFR wolves definitely like to push each other before the town gets there, it just does not typically have that ...shape?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Votes:

Charu -> the sun fan

the sun fan- 1 (Charu, )

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

It is more the first two days that I say that for, yes

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

charu
out to dinner

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

LOL

Yeah I don't care AT ALL sunfan look at me go I've been called LOOSE all game

Jkjk, I feel like competing in who cares less is probably bad

More seriously, this is exactly why I said "but let's not get into that" when I was talking about playing more loosely being either NAI or more towny than not when it came to me - I don't want to set a precedent of not caring and didn't even mean it like that anyway -

Cause, for the record, I *do* care this game, I just felt like the looseness people kept talking about might've been 'cause my survival isn't *as* important as it would've been if I were a wolf. Who knows, though, it also might be cause I'm just tryna have fun in a game of old comrades that I missed dearly

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Although in terms of caring I have contemplated several times this phase flipping a coin for my thunderdome vote. I probably would've done it already if it weren't against my principles (read: insulting to my pride) and also cause I know RNG always hates me

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Votes:

Charu -> the sun fan
the sun fan -> Charu

the sun fan- 1 (Charu, )
Charu- 1 (the sun fan, )

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

That is literally why I do not want to kill you aha

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

This may make you want to kill me more, but that's a poor read. I can be pretty loose as a wolf too y'know

The reason you should never want me dead is cause if you read literally any interaction between FG and I, you'll see the impossibility of any w/w partnership, EVER. And that's saying something, cause funny and I are homies

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I don't think I can kill you today regardless, but tomorrow is a new day

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Or, y'know, tonight if you're at all capable of it ;)
Why squabble and fight and cause both of us pain if you can just kill me in my sleep
Pretty please?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

If I was a wolf I would make the F3 you-me-Xel. Seems like a good time

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Oooor we could just lynch the wolf and be done with it

Which way you leaning atm?