ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

OOTC: On on Odd-Numbered nights and every third day, beginning with day 1 (The game begins on Day 0). Off on all other phases.
Nightchat: Outside of thread only during appropriate times.
Wolfchat: 24/7
Cardflips: Color-only
KitB: On
No lynch: Off
No kill: Off
Insta: On

When OOTC is on, voting can only be done in the game thread, as per usual.

Phases will always revolve around 10:00 PM Central (Server) Time. Day Phases will be 48 hours except in case of insta, Night Phases will be 24 hours always, focused around 10:00 PM Server time.

Signups:
1) SubaruPoptart
2) gold stinger Died in this game dsomething
3) Logman6656 star-crossed
4) blindreper1179 Died in this game d0
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5) storn42 Died in this game dsomething
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6) roundbox
7) Charu
8) DaBackpack
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9) spongebobismysenpai Modkilled
10) funkywong Modkilled
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11) reuben_tate bolth mannn
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12) Funnygurl555 Psychoangel691
13) cedolad
14) XelNya Died in this game dsomething
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15) Xiz
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16) T-Force Died in this game d0
17) bugkid666
18) mellonxcollie
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19) Hakulyte
20) FreezinIce Died in this game d0
21) 123kappa3
22) Celirra
23) fatfuck42 Died in this game d0
24) mcdaddio
25) MixMasterLar
26) Shadow_God_10

Replacements:
1) star-crossed
2) Psychoangel691
3) bolth mannn

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Town or mafia has lost and the game is over.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Hey, this is gold stinger coming in do you read me alive players? Do you see me?

Can I get a post in the main thread quoting this post if you see it? Please & ty.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Who killed me, I'm sueing!

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I promise I'm allowed to post in here, I asked before-hand ;-;

And I can see your thread just fine. OOTC is on, so conversation SHOULD be able to happen across both games, not sure how rules would pan out on EVEN-NUMBERED days though, where OOTC is strictly OFF.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@FreezinIce

Alright, cool. So you guys can see this thread.


Some ground stuff that you ALIVE guys might not be aware of.

Dead Chat has its own OOTC chatroom (similar to game-talk) in the TWG 200 Discord server.\

OOTC can happen with people in the other game (including 1-on-1 conversations mentioned earlier when night OOTC turned on).

We all have the same alignment as we did in the game that you guys are in right now.

We cannot view your game-talk/Alive OOTC chat.

I'm not sure how to handle OOTC of 2 games technically playing one singular interconnected game, but I suggest we use '@<playername>' at the beginning of a message if we're initiating a conversation in-thread with someone in the game across from it.

Information across both games are going to be both equally vitally important, because of same roles, and same potential for players to end up in the same position.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

This should honestly be a copy-paste across both threads for posterity. This is going to get very confusing, and fast.

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@DaBackpack

Y'know, I thought to myself as soon as it was mentioned that it would be a separate game, with the same roles, that it would be maximum bastard.

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@DaBackpack

I'm thinking that is what happens, yeah. We are currently in dead chat, so dying a second time would probably mean a true death, and then that would reveal the alignment.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Let me hamper a guess in the meantime while main game gets its bearings (because more players, and all the explanation is in dead chat)

You have a strong suspicion who killed you at all? Or, maybe something you said?

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@DaBackpack

What happens if this game resolves BEFORE the main game? Will it resolve BOTH games? The fact that this is a game, means there has to be AT LEAST one wolf or non-town-aligned player in this game, separate from the main game.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I promise I am watching both threads here at the same time, I can hold a conversation if need be.

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@Shadow_God_10

I do believe the situation at the moment is we are required to decide a lynch in 48 hours, at the same EoD time as you guys, between the players currently in this game.

I have no idea if there will be more people that come/go from this game as it progresses, as this honestly throws a shit-ton of stuff in the air:

What if there's a one-shot? Will they instantly die, or send them to THIS game?

What if there's some sort of bastardized Neighborizer that can freely move players from one game or the other?

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@DaBackpack

Hole is in this, is while there might be increasing amounts of players going into this game, either town OR mafia could achieve their win condition based on lynch & whom ends up getting sent/taken out of THIS game.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

This is the problem. Like, what happens if one side or the other for this 'Purgatory' hits a win condition and ends before the main game?

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@123kappa3

just have 2 threads open obviously lmao.

Oh, and use the @<playername> stuff at the beginning of posts communicating to the other thread so I don't have to fucking die in search history between two separate TWG games that are holding multiple different conversations interlaced between said two separate TWG game threads.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I'm gonna go to bed and re-visit this tomorrow afternoon likely. @ me stuff if need be. I doubt there's going to be much talking in this thread, for this phase, with only 4 players.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@DaBackpack

thesunfan — Today at 3:44 AM
I should have mentioned this before
your win conditions are basically the same as they were

Got permission to post this from dead chat.

Win conditions are still in play, and the game is ongoing. There would be no reason to play this game if a win condition for either or is reached. There should be a Postgame thread with results if that was the case. Meaning, there's a very real possibility that the current setup in this game right now could mean a win condition in this game has been reached already, but the game has not been decided yet.

Keep following my line of thought:

I think the main Game Thread has to hit a win condition and become 'decided' before this game hits a win condition and becomes 'decided'.

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@Shadow_God_10

You have neighbors? what..

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I think it's because of my post about having to post at least one time a day to keep my power. I died, so I got nothing anyways.

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@Shadow_God_10

Right, no one told me this, so this is the first time I'm hearing of it that EVERYONE has pairings now.

Either way, I will probably not be talking with mine, because I'm roughly 60% sure that they are the reason I am dead right now (taking into consideration someone not aligned with them could've just thrown my name out and killed me, but is pretty suspect for subaru & blind as well).

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Did you talk at all with your paired neighbor in your neighborhood come end of night? If so, was there anything that was roletelling?

Same question goes to Subaru.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I definitely talked with my neighbor, and there was some stuff in there that would've likely gotten me killed if they were wolf, just so they wouldn't have to put up with it, unbeknownst that they would have to deal with this bullcrap 2nd game come next day phase.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I got nothing from my neighbor, claim vanilla. Idk if I believe it entirely, because they were wary of me being so straightforward with them. We didn't talk end of the night really. We had convos beforehand though. Nothing to crazy came out of it. Mostly what/who/when/were/why/how. They didn't think I was wolf so, I don't think I'm dead because of them. Someone was PR hunting OR someone took me for the chaotic evil that I am, and assumed I was lying and wanted me out.??? Idk. either way, this is fucked and I don't wanna read two threads. lmao

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Can we tell neighbors? Is it a good idea? If they are in the first game, do we hide the info to not have them be a target? Or would it help them and make them back burners? This is really confusing. I honestly don't know what to do that seems beneficial in the long run of things.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@Xiz

- I think there could be a possibility that someone could get transferred from this game to your game, if killing someone in your game puts them in this game.

- I've never played a back to the future game so I'm going to say no

- I don't think this is a housemates game given that the wording is 'neighborhood'. Also, having a wincon that requires you to work with another non-aligned player means that some town will have to work with a wolf, or a third-party, and have worse win chances which is like the definition of maximum bastard, so no.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Ok actually bedtime for real right now imma pass out lol

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@Xiz

To further expand on this point, we also didn't get any notification or confirmation of neighborhoods in role PM's so I highly doubt there's any specific mechanic tied to them for win condition except that they exist, and maybe a role could fuck with them in some way but that remains to be seen.

Would be even more bastardly to have hidden win conditions and not tell a single soul about them.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Oh fuck this

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I'll be back later but jesus christ what happens if you die again can you get targeted cross-game? I hate the possibilities this gives

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@DaBackpack

The biggest issue I have with this game right now is that Logman isn't even in this game. Which means maybe if you get lynched you don't get sent to purgatory??? Or there's A HIDDEN FUCKING THIRD GAME FOR PEOPLE WHO GOT LYNCHED and if this is the case I'm done

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

god fuck this is so much at once

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@Hakulyte
what does the word "Dichotomy" mean? Because another crack thought is what if parity is literal parity? The amount of wolves/towns being the exact same in both games ends the game.

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@TWGma

so we'd be the final 4 and we just gotta build back up to D0 technically?

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I can't read ignore literally the entirety of this post

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Yes and they were already dead if that gives you any indicator lmaooo

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@Xiz
So are you saying that you never got a role PM?

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@01_doG_wodahS
gaT netuG

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@Charu
So if my guess is correct. Since my neighbor and I are literally opposite each other, what if we can semi-bullshit guess who others' could be based on who they're opposite from on that graph?

I feel confident in giving away who my neighbor is since we're literally both dead. We can still use our chat, and I feel this information is critically important to figuring out what's going on.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

For reference I'm the animal crossing lookin character in the bunny hat on the chair.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I should've cut the second graph out, I'm talking about the top graph.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

So since it just happened what happens if you post in the wrong game

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I'm not deleting it until I get a clear consensus on what happens but goddamn that's a hidden struggle that I'mma have to figure out cuz fuck

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Well not "deleting" it but whatever happens to it afterward y'know?

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@Shadow_God_10

Yeah I'm of this same sentiment. ESPECIALLY this game.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@SubaruPoptart Dumbass

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@DaBackpack
This is good to know. The only issue I have with this is that the OP says "Town OR Mafia has lost" so we're not quite sure how many town/wolves there are here. I would like to assume that goldstinger isn't a wolf because of his comments about his neighbor, and I would also like to assume that logman wasn't a wolf due to being my neighbor. That just leaves blind as a question mark fmpov.

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@DaBackpack
Is it allowed to cite ootc stuff in thread? I feel this was mentioned already but I can't think of where to possibly find it

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@mcdaddio
That would absolutely be worst-case scenario, but that got me thinking. If we send all the wolves here (assuming there's not a second level of hell past this), and there's all town in the other game, wouldn't that mean technically nobody "loses"? Wolves would win in the mirror world, town would win in the regular world. Parity would be achieved in both worlds.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@DaBackpack

OK yeah that definitely solves that concern I had. I was worried that wolves that were sent here could just dunk any town that came in.

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@Charu
If that's the case I'mma pause, but at the same time we haven't been told off for posting.

But also this: it appears as if these phases revolve around y'all's phases. I'm inferring that because this thread exists at all, it's chill to post. If this game's phases haven't truly started yet and they're staggered due to either sunfan being sunfan or some other reasons that would be kinda fucked. Gonna pause regardless.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Logman is in this game and he is in the same OOTC on Discord as the rest of us what r u smoking

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@fatfuck42

It would not be proper etiquette but tbh it might be the best move we have. I'd like to learn a bit more about blind before resorting to something like that, though.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I was on something cuz I somehow skipped over man's name but I figured that out sometime on the 2nd page

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@Xiz
I think VT is the most dangerous one because you gotta use your brain instead of being able to use mechanics 'n such. Brains are pretty crazy things y'know

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@DaBackpack

Yeah, we have 48 hours to decide a lynch. Set to resolve at the same time your day phase ends currently. I could send a vote out no problem, but there's only 4 players, so a wrong vote anywhere here could mean reaching insta very quickly.

Posted this to wrong thread initially don't kill me, this is confusing.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

@DaBackpack

Insta is on though lmao. Imagine de-syncing the threads because there's an insta in one of them.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I don't think blind is likely a wolf, given that their response in regards to why they died were focused on what they posted in-thread vs what they may have shared in their neighborhood. I would also like to know more about blind's conversation with their neighborhood buddy and why they believe they treated it as 'weary' of them.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

We're starting to get to a point where we can just figure out neighborhoods based on proximity of the players on the graph so we might as well come out and just say who is our neighborhood partners given the information on the table right now.

My neighborhood partner is Reuben.

SubaruPoptart's partner is Logman.

Considering the graph spread and how people are going to get matched up based on proximity (since everyone dead & involved here are somewhat close to one another):

I'm pretty comfortable with saying that blindreper's partner is Celery.


Here's a mock graph coming to that conclusion:

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Im not sure if it's entirely a good idea, but people were talking about hard claiming. I told my neighbor, and they weren't sure to believe or not.
I'm a seeker. I have to post once a day to stay near others and select a person who posted in that day to follow at night and see if they make an action. I chose Xiz after discussing it with my neighbor. I didn't get a read because I "died"

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Graph is probably inconsistent in some places and mostly incorrect at the bottom (due to distance from players) but based on proximity you can already make some absolute confirmations with the information currently on the table:

XelNya's neighbor is FG.

Xiz's neighbor is Bugkid.

funkywong's neighbor is likely spongebobismysenpai.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Don't worry I did the same thing

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

They were weary of me because I instantly through everything on the table. They said "that's pretty bold of you to just do that"

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Do you think it's a possibility that wolves may have just killed you off right then and there because you were a likely PR threat? If so, that's cause for alarm in the same boat that I am in right now, with your neighbor possibly being the middle-man moving information to the other team.

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@fatfuck42

This one's a weird one because by the looks of it everyone in game 2's town in some way. I can't speak for log but like I said before I'd love to assume he's town by sole virtue of him being my neighbor, but y'never know.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I would actually retract my statement about Benguin being the best lynch option for the other thread in this case, since I stated I was strictly vanilla town. blind's partner would be much more sus given this game's setup (and 2nd game) was not made known until after kills were sent, and night actions were taken.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

it was pretty bold tbh; it also didn't really make sense to throw everything like that post 1, regardless of whether it was true or not

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

FatFuck's approach on this is correct. It would give the main game extremely valuable information, for which they lack right now (because no cardflips).

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I mean, that would be the most direct answer, but me throwing it at everyone in my very first post wasn't a very safe thing to do lmao

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

It's correct but it's definitely an interesting situation. Cuz it'd be solely based on who would give the most info.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Tbh, I was relying on my chaotic evil placement to have people scoff at me.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

Happened to me in the Trailer Park Boys game lmao.

Wolves would have had a confirmed PR target for the night and closed their case on it immediately, and played it off as a kill in regards to joking about power in-thread.

But, I don't think ANYONE expected this 2nd game to happen afterwards.

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@Charu
I only confirmed mine because we both happen to be here, honestly.

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@Charu

I think you and I both know there's a massive difference between openly joking about having to post once for power and it actually being true on day 0 no less,

and openly hardclaiming your role to one specific individual during night phase OOTC where no one else is going to hear unless you decide to spout more stuff off in the coming days.

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@fatfuck
We chose xiz because they assumed a town role blocked the flip. Town NEEDS flips, that would be so counterproductive. That was the biggest reason.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

why the hell would a town role block a flip what

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

This is exactly my point.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

That being said, blindreper, did you talk with anyone else during the night about your role? Just a simple yes/no, I don't need names if you're not comfortable with that. OOTC was open (and still open) for everyone, not just your neighbor.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I also need to reiterate we were picking someone on the haku train, that is where it started.

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT
 

I mean I can understand thinking that cuz it's Xiz we're talking about but a townrole blocking a flip makes absolutely zero sense to me even if it's Xiz doing it. That role would be ultra useless as a town role, unless there's specific scenarios that would warrant blocking a flip from a town perspective.