TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
MAD17 The MU Champs Version 36 HOUR DAY PHASES 12 HOUR NIGHT PHASES ROLES 13x Town 4x Mafia Of the following 18 roles, 1 will randomly be discarded and the other 17 will be assigned at random to one player in the game without regard for the player's alignment. Each role is restricted to using its action only on the nights listed on the chart. The Mafia will be told which role is not present in the game. MECHANICS
Role PMs Please go to this page to find the exact wording of the Role PMs: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...oles-Modifiers FAQ [Specifics for this setup] -------- SIGNUPS 1. the sun fan TOWN [Killed Night 5] 2. Xiz TOWN [Lynched Day 3] 3. Funnygurl555 TOWN [Killed Night 2] 4. MixMasterLar TOWN [Lynched Day 6 5. roundbox WOLF [WON AT ENDGAME] 6. Shadow_God_10 WOLF [Lynched Day 1] 7. SubaruPoptart TOWN [Killed Night 6] 8. DaBackPack TOWN [Killed Night 1] 9. XelNya/Xelicopter TOWN [LOST AT ENDGAME] 10. HateandHatred TOWN [Killed Night 3] 11. 123kappa3 TOWN [Lynched Day 7] 12. jessiebessie TOWN [Killed Night 3] 13. Precarious WOLF [Lynched Day 4] 14. dragonmegaXX WOLF [Lynched Day 2] 15. Svaz TOWN [ModKilled] 16. _Zenith_ TOWN [Killed Night 2] 17. psychoangel691 TOWN [Lynched Day 5] --- REPLACEMENTS Way too many in this game, jesus... |
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Dead chat and wolf chat are a part of the google docs too
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Town threw. This was actually a throw. I was in a constant state of despair watching each day phase pass. The only town players I would say actually did "good" were jessie, Kappa, and FG.
One great D0 lynch and two mechanical wolf kills and the rest of you still let town lose. Not gonna lie I was pretty fucking mad like, the whole time. Kappa, you did actually really well given the situation you placed into. I hope you come back and play with us some more. You had some solid intuition this game. Jessie, that was a great watcher use. MVP IMO. |
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GG to Roundbox, who legit pocketed me and laughed when I said I was too good to be pocketed
My only serious complaint is that the lack of effort from a sizable amount of people who have the gumption to sign up but not the time to post 5 times in 36 hours is making me question if playing these is even worth. Well, that and Xel just not even trying to read posts or questioning why if Kappa was the wolf he killed the one person the easiest to sway instead of Xel who was saying he would blindly vote that slot but you know w/e |
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I sincerely don't think I did anything wrong, DBP
my auto-circle was perfect from the cocoa lynch onwards I caught precarious for the right reasons and while I wasn't ramming it down people's throats (and I couldn't have done it without your clutch vote on him), I was the person who voted shadowgod first what did I do wrong or do to not play well? |
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Shit happens when town absolutely refuses to be open to changing reads.
Was really nice to see kappa replace into not a good spot and immediately call roundbox out on his shit, but then he got completely ignored. |
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“Lynching inactives is a bad policy” - someone that lost to some UTR ass wolf
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It seriously was you just tinfoiling me so hard that you fucked over a town for no reason. In before DBP unloads on me for all my mistakes |
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this sure was a game of twg that was played
i remember laughing at sunfan drawing the correct conclusion from the modpost |
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Oh and I can explain the modkill I guess, basically I offered not to join deadchat in the event I died which came off as too town w/e imo it coulda been either way, arguably the dumbest move of the whole game
Luckily I have a bunch of shit to do now so I can go be bad at mahjong or some MMOs in my free time instead of TWG lol |
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o o o h h h my g o o o dd I got played so goddamn hard. Shoulda went with suspicions but ya boi sheeped.
I feel it started going downhill when I shot Zenith so I apologize for that. |
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Also everybody deciding that charu'd mod post meant antori was the last wolf, completely ignoring that roundbox also had basically no participation at the time either.
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I had fun playing. I am a little sad that town lost. Round played amazing as wolf in the end. I thought MML did pretty well at trying to be town in the end allthough early game he just looked too bad. Poptart you did alright imo its just you need to be more proactive. youll get the hang of it in the future.
This was my first forum mafia game. I am not used to how slow it goes xD. |
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after the prec lynch,
I was never lynching subaru I was never lynching antori I was never lynching xel after the modpost, I was never lynching Lar my POE would've won how did I play bad I legit don't understand |
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he had like 7 posts at the time, so it literally didn't apply to him |
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Alright, let me explain the modpost
This game... was filled with inactives, or players that simply wouldn't post. Remember this post fellas? The one before the game started proper? Quote:
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So when EoD was about to roll around again, I had
THREE PLAYERS Not having fulfilled the post requirement. roundbox Xelicopter Antori Seriously, what the hell? |
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Thread needs more XelNya Avatar
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and use it preemptively because I am MAJORLY forgetful. |
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Oh yeah, what is it?
I wanna see it~ |
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Also kappa did super well not just as a replacement, but in general, really hope to see you do more, and I’m sorry nobody listened to you even though you were right o7
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Holy shit that avatar 10/10 lmao
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Im still not sure why I was dismissed so easily. I thought my reads were pretty solid.
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on a different website, I recently subbed into a game where I found myself in wolfchat. I made a few posts, and then realized that I had been substituted into a slot where I was outed as a wolf Nothing I said could've possibly mattered at that point. While it wasn't confirmed, a lot of people had you in their Process of Elimination, and they weren't budging on it. Should they have been doing that? Yes, of course but they weren't that's all it was |
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When MML brought up the sig thing about round. I was like well fk can anything else just go against me. But charu your sig was right :P.
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tHiS sEtUp Is ToWnSiDeD
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I think this setup is actually pretty good for wolves. If a couple wolves dont die early this game becomes really hard. I dont think this game was wolf sided becasue town could have won so easily and im so sad they didnt but, I think town was in the advantage.
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Long story short, I got fed up with the inactives and tried to FLEX-TAPE the solution that I thought wouldn't effect the gamestate. Unfortunately, it muddied up some reads... and that... was that. |
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Roundbox just screams wolf to me often, I can't help it. |
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the witchhunt regs seem to think it's townsided, but i'm not sure any of them are human, so
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Charu that's one of my favorite sigs on the site never change it
Christmas Spirit is still pretty enjoyable |
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and I only asked if I would have died due to insta because I didn't want to die and just straight up lose as the last wolf you old kid!! kappa, you did wonderful I was actually afraid I was going to lose when you replaced in and were super gung-ho on me |
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IM glad i got you at least a little scared :P.
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sunfan and jessie were beastin this game
I killed FG because she sussed me and I had a hunch she was going to use her ability on me, but I didn't know which one she had |
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ah, Precarious knew that n2 watcher was safe because that's what Cocoa was
you are probably better off claiming anything that a dead person was there, Precarious. You can easily narrow it down, and something like n1/n3 roleblocker (you can even say you roleblocked lar!) is a lot more believable |
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oh yeah I didnt really have to deal with the roles. and tbh these roles were kind of wierd I just kind of looked over them. Thats one thing I am going to try to understand more is how the roles impact these games.
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Sunfan, you had a good town circle but still couldn't converge on the final wolf via reads. A PoE approach isn't bad but you have to convince other people to follow your will after you die. That didn't happen, so your reasoning in this respect did not sufficiently alter the game state.
Maybe this is isn't fair to leverage against you but I think town relied on you as a leader and IMO you fell a little short there. Anyway, I have come to like this setup and would like to see it run again... since this game didn't really showcase it's mechanics too well. |
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town's gotta pick up the slack too
you can't just rely on a leader to point out lynches |
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This is more of an abstract thought, but I think the ability to rally people behind your cause, even if you have low confidence, is one of the most important skills in this game. There wasn't a whole lot of town leadership this game (suntan came close) and chaos took over.
Being correct doesn't matter if you can't get others to follow your will |
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I'm not suggesting that sunfan played poorly, but rather that he, along with most other town, were incapable of preventing the gradual downfall of town. And sunfan in particular was in a position to exert more influence in the right direction but it didn't happen. There's a chance my perspective is blinded by frustration with the game as a whole, and that I might be misrepresenting sunfan's play. It's just, with kappa, jessie I could point to specific things they did that threatened the wolf team, and I have the perception that sunfan had fewer moments like that. It's not a sunfan-specific thing by the way, I'm only saying this because he asked specifically. |
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I think being dead and seeing how the game progresses towards salvation or towards ruin can alter your perspective a little bit
thinking of my perspective from inside the game, it shouldn't be only sunfan that can lead a case against me to get me lynched it seemed like people were getting complacent with their reads this game |
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If i just came in one day earlier... xD
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Ideally every player exerts this assertive leadership style and pushes forward, towards the path they believe in. Town getting complacent 100% shut this game down. Kappa went against the grain and pushed for his own reads really hard but he lacked the ethos to be taken seriously (largely antori's fault). I know sheeping happens and not everyone has the answers but ideally several players are vocal and assertive about their beliefs. I suppose the more general theme is, in my opinion, that having good ideas and good reads shouldn't be the main indicator of quality of play. Ideas and reads need to result in lynches. The impact of a player's play should be determined more in terms of outcome and consequence than of reasoning. (Not that good reads aren't admirable or valuable! But not sufficient) That's all I guess |
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You didn't play bad, the wording in my original post was "played [well]"; the negation of that isn't "played bad" since there's also "played average", etc. There are players who played flat-out bad but I'm not gonna go there |
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So my one big problem was a gave up too fast.
I think I let myself get too unmotivated when Xel said I 100% disagree. At that point I felt done and I couldnt win. Next time even if it is a lost cause Ill die fighting :). I know I made other mistakes and if anyone wants to point them out ill be happy. I want to get better. I only played for a little while but, I had fun. |
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even if roundbox won i still want jess to be mvp 'cause she is always mvp in my heart
that turnaround though. gg roundbox + wolves |
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reminder that the turbo still needs signups
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PLease sign up for turbo I want to play again :).
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I don't think it's been said yet but we spoke in dead chat how the wolf team thought I was the Voyeur and Charu explicitly told us that in big bolded lettering that Voyeur did not exist in this game.
That made my death not seem so bad. |
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One thing I did not like was two instas instead of taking time to discuss and form a plan. I understand that the players were inactive/not posting but you should always use the allotted time if there's no threat of immediate action.
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Okay so Ive never played with instas before. I fully understand why you should use as much time as your allotted for like a million and one reasons. For me and this was probably a bad idea but, I was trying to use insta as a way to say I know that insta can happen and im okay with it because im town.
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I said it during the game but people don't solve unless they know that they have to its very annoying |
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Off-topic from above, I asked in the discord server where you guys were playing outside of here as I'd like to get back into being an active mafia/TWG player so I'll take any recommendations if you have them. |
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I agree, it's super annoying. |
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I disagree with DBP's bad town list completely.
The best thing wolves could have done in that situation was to lynch me from my stupid night action, and kill greg considering greg's town circle. If we would have been alive or I made it out of the KiTB, then it would have been unquestionably GG. Well done on the sketchy lynch roundbox, ya pulled it off. |
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Oh yeah, that did remind me how it amused me that no one thought the sudden votes on Xiz were not questionable.
Precarious wasn't even caught from that, it was something else completely. |
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And now I have lost a bet with thesunfan, and that will never feel good. |
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which is likely why he picked it |
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I personally don't find that avatar that offensive
I mean, just look at that beard! |
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it's positive it's bad |
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LMFAO
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I'm even wearing an Overwatch T-Shirt
I don't know what the issue is man |
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I love the new avatar, lmao
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Just ranting like an idiot here. Ignore if you wish. |
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