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Xiz 11-22-2020 06:50 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
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Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4749550)
well the reasoning behind that vote is really ???

like is there some link between ulle and sunfan that im missing.

why does sunfans actions towards ulle affect your vote

Yeah I get how that feels weird from your pov

Im considering Ull outside of sunfan, but I feel when at EOD and inactives are the targets, usually wolves wanna quickly get out who they don't want dead. I at least do that.

I have no fucking idea if sunfan or ull are town or wolf but I liked that path more than Tforce and Funny, and I'd argue my sus is stronger than that arguement. It's like, 1% power to 2% power.

fatfuck42 11-22-2020 06:51 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4749548)
reading last few pages im suspicious of sunfan, i feel like he gets super ambivalent about lynching people only when he rolls wolf.

i dont feel like digging up the really old games and combing thru them, its more of a gut read

I had a similar thought cross my mind, but for now I'm chalking up the ambivalence to him thinking he's gonna miss EOD.

YoshL 11-22-2020 06:52 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
i do understand the "not going to be in thread for eod" but i feel like the post is a little bit closer to trying to look like they're in game than anything else.

That, and "i'll be back hours after EoD", despite having paid attention to the setup and OP, thinking about it LMAO

Xiz 11-22-2020 06:53 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
if ull is a hit, sunfan might be a hit as well. Ull i'd rather kill over Sunfan (old EOD mentality) but I think that kill leads to more info. And tbh 1 post after all this time even if they are town i dont mind them dead.

I'm really tired of the replacing out / afk slot stuff so, thats where im bias

YoshL 11-22-2020 06:54 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
like plop says, i mostly want to see what they have to say later, because it's still not anything i'm 100% sold on

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also, thank the ffr elementals for the downtime for extra phase time because god it looks like we needed it.

maybe will also need it for thanksgiving time too? *big shrug*

Shadow_God_10 11-22-2020 06:55 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Freezin does the time extension effect your stance on slank lynching this phase?

flashflash account 11-22-2020 06:55 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
right now I don't like how the more active posters are trending wolfy to me and the less active posters are null to towny

ordinarily I'd town read the top poster but I feel shadowgod has proven post count is nai for them
now that we've moved out of obvious meme territory hopefully their insights start getting a little deeper

Funnygurl555 11-22-2020 06:56 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
hey hey hey

YoshL 11-22-2020 06:56 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4749557)
if ull is a hit, sunfan might be a hit as well. Ull i'd rather kill over Sunfan (old EOD mentality) but I think that kill leads to more info. And tbh 1 post after all this time even if they are town i dont mind them dead.

I'm really tired of the replacing out / afk slot stuff so, thats where im bias

Also feeling a little wary at this mentality, because xiz is seeming to be a little more focused on who the best kill at this point in time is, rather than like... looking for more information to better inform votes

Xiz 11-22-2020 06:56 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4749560)
right now I don't like how the more active posters are trending wolfy to me and the less active posters are null to towny

ordinarily I'd town read the top poster but I feel shadowgod has proven post count is nai for them
now that we've moved out of obvious meme territory hopefully their insights start getting a little deeper

can you give like, examples of who on each side (not just shadow)

Xiz 11-22-2020 06:59 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4749562)
Also feeling a little wary at this mentality, because xiz is seeming to be a little more focused on who the best kill at this point in time is, rather than like... looking for more information to better inform votes

I am focused there yeah. Might not be the best place but, I can't blame my eyes for looking where they want to.

I'd argue my wolf play is more passive at EOD's like that, and as long as it's not me I don't care where the vote goes. Or I'd vote outside of major wagons or something. But others are better at commenting about that prob

flashflash account 11-22-2020 06:59 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4749563)
can you give like, examples of who on each side (not just shadow)

active players I don't feel great about:
haku, shadowgod, freezin, xiz, plop

less active players I feel mostly okay toward:
funnygurl, yoshl, raeko

Xiz 11-22-2020 07:00 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Part of me wishes I voted /after/ the time extension because I feel like im sus now by people for that. Just wanted to get my thoughts out.

Funnygurl555 11-22-2020 07:03 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
alright so t-force is actually a good vote though

uh what else

haku why aren't you town yet

i'm not voting ulle this phase. already know i have trouble reading her so

sunfan's ok, xiz's ok. these reads are tentative

Shadow_God_10 11-22-2020 07:04 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulleabhara (Post 4749501)
Mechanical stuff – a lot of this is just me getting my head in the game, but if anyone has some strategic insights, please share!

Blues (random pick 2)
  • Phoenix: Seer
  • Maya: Guardian/Vigilante (1 action per Night) + Miller
  • Blue!Miles: Wizard + Ballot Stuffer? (We had this “plus-or-minus” vote role on the late home site but never came up with a good name for it)
  • Trucy: 1-Shot Sniper (Another one we struggled with, “Elite Bodyguard” and “Trapper” also floated around, but I much prefer “Sniper”)
  • Ema: Watcher/Tracker (Chooses pregame/N0)

Maya is potentially an OP combo, and I don’t think the Miller aspect does much to dampen it – unless, of course, Phoenix is in the game and we just pile on any red seering without thinking. This dictates that we should in fact not do that, especially with the possibility of Manfred in the game, which I will get to shortly.

Blue!Miles is a weird role, and I don’t think the vote-manipulation aspect of him is too useful. Sure, blocking a kill is a pretty strong “either-or” indication on your target’s alignment, but since you have to decide whether to plus or minus them at Night – that is, before you get your result and have any opportunity to sort them – I’d say it’s generally a bad idea to use it unless you have a strong opinion on your target beforehand.

Trucy has the potential to be a very effective “Sword of Damocles” against the wolf team going for a freshly-exposed Blue. With that in mind, if she exists, she should definitely wait for such an opportunity to arise to use her power.

I don’t see any reason for Ema not to choose Watcher. I hope she did if she’s in the game. It’s an easier guessing game and a greater potential reward. But if she chose Tracker, I guess we’ll have to deal.

Power Wolves (random pick 2)
  • Manfred: Night 0 Permanent Framer
  • Franziska: Revoker, Non-Consecutive Target (haven’t seen this particular modifier before)
  • Red!Miles: Restricted Phantom Giver/Gambler (Restricted meaning both actions must be on the same target)
    • Reward Sequence: MW status, 1-shot Revoke, 1-Shot Vigi
  • Matt: Master/Alpha, until kill invalidates (gotta say, I’m loving the creativity here)
  • Kristoph: 1-Shot Stealth Killer

The potential existence of Manfred alone is a big reason why we should let red seerings breathe, and give the accused a chance to claim before throwing down the hammer. Sure, there’s always a chance that they are a wolf and luck out on not getting counterclaimed, but honestly, I don’t think any Blue claim in this game is something that a wolf can ride on forever.

Franziska’s restriction is a pretty good bone to throw to us – it means that they can’t permanently shut down a particular role, and actually have to risk wolfing them/hitting protection

Red!Miles has the potential to be a real pain in the fluffball-tail if played well. For example, if Phoenix is rolled along with him and Matt, and he gets his way even once, Phoenix is rendered practically useless because 2/3rds of the wolf team are now undetectable to him. The upside is that they still don’t have specific counters to any other Blue, but that may well change with further successes. With this in play, Wovles might be emboldened to go hard on Miles’ chosen victim during the day, and attempt to force a split vote (or stall at one) if the split contains Miles’ quarry. We need to counter this by calling out any of this behavior, not tolerating last-minute distractions or dead air, and work hard to build consensus with others on the vote.

Now, to the actual game...

This post worries me, and I don't know how to put it into words

mellon_collie 11-22-2020 07:06 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4749548)
reading last few pages im suspicious of sunfan, i feel like he gets super ambivalent about lynching people only when he rolls wolf.

i dont feel like digging up the really old games and combing thru them, its more of a gut read

I felt like his wording specifically
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4749517)
claim no postgame cred if I'm right

seemed like he was detaching himself from the result if it was a mislynch

I didn't bring this up because I thought it was too nit-picky of wording, but yah

YoshL 11-22-2020 07:06 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4749566)
Part of me wishes I voted /after/ the time extension because I feel like im sus now by people for that. Just wanted to get my thoughts out.

i'm specifically referring to the post i quoted, where even after the extension, you were still rolling down that hill tbh

Shadow_God_10 11-22-2020 07:06 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
I think... it worries me because she's making an attempt to say "hey I'm present, look at this" but this says things that are basically common sense and don't really need to be explained.

That's the best way that I can word this

fatfuck42 11-22-2020 07:07 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4749565)
active players I don't feel great about:
haku, shadowgod, freezin, xiz, plop

less active players I feel mostly okay toward:
funnygurl, yoshl, raeko

How come you don't feel good about freezin? And how do you feel about yoshl's more recent posts/activity? Also, which post was the red flag post you mentioned earlier?

Shadow_God_10 11-22-2020 07:07 PM

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4749566)
Part of me wishes I voted /after/ the time extension because I feel like im sus now by people for that. Just wanted to get my thoughts out.

Was there any reason you voted for Ulli aside from not liking the T-Force/Funny wagons?


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