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fuck. the hotpockets

ok now I am disappoint

any strong reason why

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No one should ever be strongly against an FG lynch -ever-.

AN2015, sunfan. AN2015.

(Also, I'm like 99% sure sunfan's town this game because I feel he wouldn't be this non-chalant as a wolf).

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ah gdi y'all are doin this huh

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Yeah, she's been on a bad luck spree with with rolling wolf.

She's posting much more happy-like. Even taunting T-Force AT EOD.

Mad girl

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

shado

ok

back of mind is saying im being too twitchy as well

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Who would you lynch?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

You make it sound as though that's any different than any other game we play together...

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

i did say host-tinted glasses but i was and then my soul disliked one post

help

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

It really is, tone-wise.

She's much more uh... not post heavy (or happy-like) when she posts as a wolf.

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if i die i blame sunfan

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u but I don't feel great about it
u and I are not on the same wavelengths and that's basically all of it

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I'm going Shado over T-Force, resisting urge to last minute switch to FG/sun

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Votes:

Funnygurl555 -> TWGma #7
XelNya -> ShadoWolfe #9
inDheart -> thesunfan #17
Funnygurl555 -> ShadoWolfe #29
star-crossed -> the sun fan #35
the sun fan -> inDheart #41
inDheart -> Charu #59
ShadoWolfe -> inDheart #142
TWGma -> star-crossed #150
Funnygurl555 -> TWGma #194
ShadoWolfe -> the sun fan #244
star-crossed -> unvote
ShadoWolfe -> Funnygurl555 #295
inDheart -> ShadoWolfe #296
Charu -> TWGma #302
Charu -> SubaruPoptart #344
Charu -> TWGma #366
inDheart -> Funnygurl555 #386
XelNya -> Funnygurl555 #395
inDheart -> ShadoWolfe #405

Funnygurl555- 3 (ShadoWolfe, XelNya, )
TWGma- 2 (Funnygurl555, Charu, )
inDheart- 1 (the sun fan, )
star-crossed- 1 (TWGma, )
ShadoWolfe- 1 (inDheart, )

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

It's more than that, not less. My headspace had like 4 names so I focused it a bit

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

p sure my vote was on shado this whole time
shado

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

if this doesn't materialize I will switch to trevor and also not feel good about that either

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

oh god I'm the swing vote??

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I'm not a fucking wolf dawg I'm literally not

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I don't know about Shadow.

I mean, he's pretty "eh" in my read through. I don't wanna be a jerk to someone that hasn't played for a whole long while!

...Such is the nature of TWG though, oof.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

u town

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

meh
twgma

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Shado

I'm sorry man

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Votes:

Funnygurl555 -> TWGma #7
XelNya -> ShadoWolfe #9
inDheart -> thesunfan #17
Funnygurl555 -> ShadoWolfe #29
star-crossed -> the sun fan #35
the sun fan -> inDheart #41
inDheart -> Charu #59
ShadoWolfe -> inDheart #142
TWGma -> star-crossed #150
Funnygurl555 -> TWGma #194
ShadoWolfe -> the sun fan #244
star-crossed -> unvote
ShadoWolfe -> Funnygurl555 #295
inDheart -> ShadoWolfe #296
Charu -> TWGma #302
Charu -> SubaruPoptart #344
Charu -> TWGma #366
inDheart -> Funnygurl555 #386
XelNya -> Funnygurl555 #395
inDheart -> ShadoWolfe #405
thesunfan -> ShadoWolfe #415

Funnygurl555- 2 (ShadoWolfe, XelNya, )
TWGma- 2 (Funnygurl555, Charu, )
ShadoWolfe- 2 (inDheart, the sun fan, )
star-crossed- 1 (TWGma, )

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glgl

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

to put it bluntly

the meme is strong sure but it's an excellent way to ride the phase as well

and that's sorta what makes her a better lynch than you

you didn't ride the wave, she did

for the most part, there are some decent questions in there, and if I am wrong I'll actually feel kinda bad about it because I was playing around this read for a while

as in her being green in my list was a lie

me memeing on t-force was part of the setup (sorry it's not 7 year revenge, yet.)

I was trying maybe a bit hard to see if she's try to openly pocket me

and I am not sure if it worked as I'm pretty biased here we can investigate it tomorrow for sure though if I'm wrong

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Vote count one last time?

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In case I die, have a cat.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

t force self pews fucking

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Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Votes:

Funnygurl555 -> TWGma #7
XelNya -> ShadoWolfe #9
inDheart -> thesunfan #17
Funnygurl555 -> ShadoWolfe #29
star-crossed -> the sun fan #35
the sun fan -> inDheart #41
inDheart -> Charu #59
ShadoWolfe -> inDheart #142
TWGma -> star-crossed #150
Funnygurl555 -> TWGma #194
ShadoWolfe -> the sun fan #244
star-crossed -> unvote
ShadoWolfe -> Funnygurl555 #295
inDheart -> ShadoWolfe #296
Charu -> TWGma #302
Charu -> SubaruPoptart #344
Charu -> TWGma #366
inDheart -> Funnygurl555 #386
XelNya -> Funnygurl555 #395
inDheart -> ShadoWolfe #405
thesunfan -> ShadoWolfe #415
the sun fan -> TWGma #421
star-crossed -> ShadoWolfe #422
inDheart -> TWGma #427
ShadoWolfe -> TWGma #429

TWGma- 5 (Funnygurl555, Charu, the sun fan, inDheart, ShadoWolfe, )
Funnygurl555- 1 (XelNya, )
ShadoWolfe- 1 (star-crossed, )
star-crossed- 1 (TWGma, )

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Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

So uh, I'm glancing at the rules here once again and um... is the role in question act like some sort of body guard where only the hider dies? Or does the hider just die alongside another player if they hid behind a player that was going to die?

Asking because... why on earth would there be a roleblocker in this setup if that otherwise wouldn't be the case?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Okay, looking back at poptart's reads.

I'mm-a gonna call it a hunch and say he hid behind me, because he didn't put anyone else at "strong town" like me. If that's the case, I'm gonna also assume wolves didn't like Poptart (for... some reason?) and decided to get him out of here.

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Also, stinks about T-Force, but that's how the cookie crumbles I guess. He was surprisingly okay with getting lynched. Probably because this gonna be a fast game, hoowee~

Though I guess that means I was right on my hunch. I still don't think star is wolfing here because why on earth would a wolf generate conflict with a sleeping town? Makes not a whole lot of sense unless star really wanted to put more spice in her game. Power wolfing and all that jazz, but I ain't crossing that road at all unless absolutely necessary.

...

Shadowolfe seems to be a cool vote for today. I let them off because it's their first game in who knows how long, but who knows. Maybe that's a bite, eh!?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Wowee

So either he hid behind a maf or hid behind the night kill, right? Cause otherwise the mandatory hiding protects Subie?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I think, assuming you're town and that he hid behind you and he was targeted, then he would still be alive

Is my understanding of it.


Also I second the previous question about whether hider acts like a bodyguard resulting in only one death or two

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Heh
Or you could, you know, re-evaluate instead of going for yesterday's near mislynch. I still don't know how my wagon even gained traction but I'ma look into that in a bit

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Tell you what, if Funny stops making happy-sounding posts, then I'll switch to her to honor the death of T-Force.

Deal?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

both he and the nightkill would be dead if he hid behind the nightkill

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Also, incoming the entire day discussing how did Poptart get deaded.

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I'm p sure I get to hurl Charu into the sun after Subaru's death

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

wait no

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Bruh, if that's the case, why in the WORLD is there a roleblocker in that role list?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

ok FINE maybe Charu's town

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

wait YES fuck you Chair stop killing people to be confusing

the word of this day has been "vintage" for me, in case it was not clear

Subaru dying last night is a V I N T A G E Charu nightkill and, regardless of what the fuck happened, wolves definitely tried to kill Charu last night

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

wolves definitely tried to kill Subaru last night*
the hider doesn't work any way you wouldn't expect it to
if subaru hid behind the nightkill, the bullet goes through the nightkill and also kills Subaru; its exactly how the hider works and I've never seen anything different

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

So the roleblock is for...?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I kind of want to call Shado town because of Charu's entrance because like
I guess I'm going to start repeating myself and I want to be funfan this game and not solvefan

I doubt anyone else would kill Subaru last night and I highly, highly doubt it was a roleread and Charu the type of lamer to roleblock and put KP on the same player

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

blocking the hider from claiming for free
role flips are color only so that the hider can't claim for free after the roleblocker is publicly lynched
there's some additional stuff but its more for how the wolves want to try and get counterplay

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

If the hider is just what you described, then why would the wolves even have a roleblocker. It sounds like a free kill, lmao.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Alright, let me logic this out from your explanation.

If I'm the hider and the role states I die if I hide behind a scum, I'd want to hide behind someone I town read.

So then I'd hide behind the town read, and the very next day, claim I hid behind said person.

However, if I were to get roleblocked, then I wouldn't die if the wolves stack (as your scenario is painting). Therefore I'd known I was roleblock since I didn't die, but can try again the next day forever more until I either get lynched or killed in the night.

...

Excuse me, what's the benefit for wolves here for stacking their kill? Why would the wolves ever use their roleblock if it TAKES AWAY A FREE KILL if the hider works exactly as you described?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Quoting this section because it does NOT state both the hider and the person in question dies.

Only that the HIDER will be killed.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

So I ask this once more:

I mean, it seems pretty clear underlined by host's own explanation in OP, but the term "hider" here is making me confused and I just want clarification.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

it guarantees that the wolves always get their kill off, firstly. never have to worry about the hider dodging the KP

secondly, you're just describing levels; its part of the beauty of the setup I think
it gives the wolves something to think about

you can risk it n1 after a mislynch and try to put town in mylo on d2 (which is good for a turbo, I think, and the hider gives less info that the seer)

but this all sounds like I'm praising my own setup, which I'm not

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Wait, you made this setup, thesunfan?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

So it is...

Okay, so you're stating, from your own post in the signup thread:

It doesn't say it here either, only that the "hider" dies.

You're making me confused, so was your "intended" mechanic to be both of them die or what?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I'll take things to be asked during signup for 1000, Alex

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

yes both are supposed to die if hider hides behind kill target
the target of a kill dies and there's no protection in the setup really
the hider dies bc their role

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

had half a mind to look for potential target softs but ig thats weird
if wolves see that then they can drop 2 people in 1 night
so maybe they were confused or not confident

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Alright, I'm thinking even more now what to do if I were a wolf.

Well... I suppose I'd probably kill towny players while not roleblocking at all. At least not until the hider comes out and goes "heheh, I'm the hider and i hid behind X, Y, and Z".

If I fail to get the hider in between Night 2 and 3, then I deserve to lose tbh.

...

Weird gimmick.

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i kinda wanna hurl u into the sun
how does that make u feel

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Anyways, whatever the case is, if the wolves really did just go straight to Poptart, then that leaves a big question.

"Why?"

thesunfan, you're claiming it's V I N T A G E for me to go for Poptart here. Can you underline why?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

charu, you can rb+kill the person you think the hider will hide behind for free if you have a good read, with the side effect of keeping them killable if that person is actually the hider

i missed like 3 hours already is this supposed to be smokescreeny

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

I think I actually "get" the roleblocker role now, but like...............................................................................

9/10 times why would you even if the hider works exactly like what thesunfan is describing, lol

I'd eat the bullet if hider accumulates too many confirms.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

If we assume that hiding behind the nightkill kills both the original target and the hider, the only possible scenarios are:
- Wolves tried to kill Subaru and he hid behind a wolf
- Wolves blocked and killed Subaru
- Wolves blocked their own kill and Subaru hid behind a wolf (meme option)

Correct me if I am wrong

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

what % of its existence is just meming on Optimal Hider Play

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Okay, but all that does is make the meta game go back to square 1.

The hider sure as hell isn't going to announce they hid behind someone that died. Why would they?

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

think ur right

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

well in that scenario the hider would be dead

but u can try to leave a name for people to look back on the following day w/ night results in hand. i tried to do that w sunfans name

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

The one good thing about Subaru dying is that we can actually analyze the end of day yesterday without having to worry about implying we are not the hider.

I want everybody that flipped their vote to T-Force to explain their thought process fully.

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

the prevailing ego trip is "sunfan is a wolf and was half expecting me as the hider to self-own onto him, and as such wolves can sit on one of my townreads as a backup plan in case i change my mind"

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

shado wagon didnt take off, i got told off by both sunfan and charu for voting fg and thought i could be being too twitchy before that, so i picked the option that wasnt her

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

It was mostly me just wanting Shadow to play more than one phase, lol

I JUST WANTED TO BE NICE

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

Anyways, my vote on T-Force was pretty much to settle the tiny conflict I had in my reads in regards to him vs star.

I had a "hunch" that he was town, but since it was the only significant action that happened that day that ended up giving me some actual alignment questions.

Questions such as:

"Why is he not liking star not liking such and such"

"Mafia pals getting caught super early?"

"Super aggressive bussing maybe (meme)?"

Things like that.

Since he didn't flip wolf, I think I can probably say Funny is probably still town here (probably).

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

here's a realer thought though

if charu's town, at no point did wolves think he was the hider

this maaay extend to other people but i would have to actually reread for that, eod so fast

Re: TWG Turbo XXIIIIIIII 10 AM/10 PM
 

nothing immediately
I know that I am slightly abnormally so regardless of ur alignment, it probably makes sense

follow me on Charu and all ur worries will disappear tho