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Duskfall 05-5-2020 07:07 PM

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Are you guys the type of site that hammers outted scum or drags it out?

Duskfall 05-5-2020 07:11 PM

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Oh wait it's only 24 hour day nvm that answers my question

Bolth mannn 05-5-2020 07:28 PM

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Well, I feel mighty stupid voting on a wolf wagon yesterday. It's good news for town though, I honestly thought the game was done for. Guys, why would all scum out themselves like that, and why would none of them jump on jessie, the easiest bus ever?

I know I haven't done the most work out of anyone all game, but I think its the worst time to get cocky and assume the game is figured out. I'm not scum.

It is extremely unlikely Dusk is scum with DbP after yesterday, so I'm taking him off the table. (If he actually is scum then mvp for wolf team theatre), and I'm obviously taking Leetic off the table

So Shadowe or Haku is our last wolf. At this point I don't really know who has more equity with Jessie and Dbp. I think both players could have equity with anyone in the game, which makes it a bit more difficult. I'm gonna Iso them both over the course of this phase and hopefully have a better lead.

ShadoWolfe 05-5-2020 08:57 PM

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I don't think Dusk/DBP is a thing here so that leaves Haku and Bolth.

Despite Haku's weird 180 on dusk yesterday, I think the third has to be bolth, mainly thru PoE on yesterday's EoD.

Yesterday was definitely mylo, meaning if wolves had won the mislynch, they would block and kill MML and win the game in one swoop. That means that, if you're a powerwolf (which DBP is), you get your team in line and force that mislynch.

I don't see a world where DBP commits that hard to saving Jess, only for Haku to abandon ship and bus, especially if there's an easy alternative with town!bolth already on the wolf wagon and Duskfall unaccounted for (he had yet to vote jessie).

Without Duskfall's switch, Haku voting Dusk would mean wolves win the lynch. With Dusk's switch, it's still KitB for a potential wolf win.

Basically, bolth is *always* the partner here unless Haku specifically and deliberately abandoned ship, ignored DBP (who would have been pleading with him to keep the powerwolf ship alive), and did his own thing without regard for consequence. As funny as that sounds, I don't think it's true.

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 09:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4729981)
Are you guys the type of site that hammers outted scum or drags it out?

I would be okay with hammer on this phase.

It's mostly a question of if you guys want to debate about wolf #3, but I think this is starting to be clear enough.

MixMasterLar 05-5-2020 09:28 PM

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Bolth mannn 05-5-2020 09:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Makilaz (Post 4729897)
Vote Count:
5/4 @ 19:00

00:59 = GOOD
00:00 = BAD


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jessiebessie [3]
MixMasterLar, leetic, ShadoWolfe

Duskfall [2]
DaBackpack, Bolth mannn

DaBackpack [1]
Duskfall



At this point, Jessie as a wolf jumps on duskfall , meaning itís 3/3

Duskfall is ALWAYS gonna self pres here so that leads to 4/3

Hakus vote would have caused a kitb at most, not a dusk lynch

A good sacrifice for haku to make to clear his name, cause as of that post, a dusk lynch was never happening unless one of the wolves was already on the Jessie wagon and switched last minute

Bolth mannn 05-5-2020 09:49 PM

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Whether haku moved there to clear his name once he realises a dusk lynch was happening or whether wolves had Wolfe already on the Jessie wagon ready to jump over if the chance for insta came up is what Iím deciding between

Bolth mannn 05-5-2020 09:50 PM

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Never happening*

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 09:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729992)
Whether haku moved there to clear his name once he realises a dusk lynch was never happening or whether wolves had Wolfe already on the Jessie wagon ready to jump over if the chance for insta came up is what Iím deciding between

I need you to realize that part of the reason why the Jessie wagon happened is also me, but MML did officially start it.

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 10:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729983)
Well, I feel mighty stupid voting on a wolf wagon yesterday. It's good news for town though, I honestly thought the game was done for. Guys, why would all scum out themselves like that, and why would none of them jump on jessie, the easiest bus ever?

I know I haven't done the most work out of anyone all game, but I think its the worst time to get cocky and assume the game is figured out. I'm not scum.

It is extremely unlikely Dusk is scum with DbP after yesterday, so I'm taking him off the table. (If he actually is scum then mvp for wolf team theatre), and I'm obviously taking Leetic off the table

So Shadowe or Haku is our last wolf. At this point I don't really know who has more equity with Jessie and Dbp. I think both players could have equity with anyone in the game, which makes it a bit more difficult. I'm gonna Iso them both over the course of this phase and hopefully have a better lead.

When there's a thunderdome in mylo, you need to vote between player A and player B because there's a 50% chance of being right.

It is the correct play for wolves in mylo to stack the town player and pressure a few town players to take the wrong decision.

I think wolves didn't knew what to do and ended up staying on Dusk because moving could have been weird after.

Meanwhile, both town PRs voted Jessie so, the rest of towns felt like they had no choice, but to follow MML/Leetic.

Your Duskfall vote felt very very grounded compared to the others.

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 10:12 PM

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To your defense, Shado's game looks annoyingly flawless and perfect.

It seems like he quickly get the right calls on everything and vote at the right place.

It worries me.

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 10:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729988)
I don't think Dusk/DBP is a thing here so that leaves Haku and Bolth.

Despite Haku's weird 180 on dusk yesterday, I think the third has to be bolth, mainly thru PoE on yesterday's EoD.

Yesterday was definitely mylo, meaning if wolves had won the mislynch, they would block and kill MML and win the game in one swoop. That means that, if you're a powerwolf (which DBP is), you get your team in line and force that mislynch.

I don't see a world where DBP commits that hard to saving Jess, only for Haku to abandon ship and bus, especially if there's an easy alternative with town!bolth already on the wolf wagon and Duskfall unaccounted for (he had yet to vote jessie).

Without Duskfall's switch, Haku voting Dusk would mean wolves win the lynch. With Dusk's switch, it's still KitB for a potential wolf win.

Basically, bolth is *always* the partner here unless Haku specifically and deliberately abandoned ship, ignored DBP (who would have been pleading with him to keep the powerwolf ship alive), and did his own thing without regard for consequence. As funny as that sounds, I don't think it's true.

From my perspective, Shado already finished solving the game here.

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 10:21 PM

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I'll vote DBP now because next phase is still 24 hours and we can even get an additional 24 hours if we no lynch into a F3.

I'm pretty sure that's more than enough time.

I don't like overthinking too much because it usually does me more bad than good.

insta is 4.

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 10:22 PM

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If your schedule is terrible tomorrow, we can extend this phase too.

Bolth mannn 05-5-2020 11:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729995)
It is the correct play for wolves in mylo to stack the town player and pressure a few town players to take the wrong decision.



Definitely, my concern is that itís just as correct to wait for towns to make that wrong decision and then stack up to insta afterwards.

Keeping one or two wolves off the wagon allows for more control over the mislynch.

Obviously, yesterday didnít go in the wolves favour, but whatever has happened, whether it was you realising a dusk lynch wasnít happening or Wolfe not needing to swap over last minute to cause an insta, has kept their last wolf a lot safer and has set me up for mislynch. I think it was pretty obvious that I wanted to and was going to vote for dusk. I think wolves took advantage of that. There was no need for all 3 to stack

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 11:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4730005)
Definitely, my concern is that itís just as correct to wait for towns to make that wrong decision and then stack up to insta afterwards.

Keeping one or two wolves off the wagon allows for more control over the mislynch.

Obviously, yesterday didnít go in the wolves favour, but whatever has happened, whether it was you realising a dusk lynch wasnít happening or Wolfe not needing to swap over last minute to cause an insta, has kept their last wolf a lot safer and has set me up for mislynch. I think it was pretty obvious that I wanted to and was going to vote for dusk. I think wolves took advantage of that. There was no need for all 3 to stack

Well, technically the game isn't fully solved for me.

It's a Bolth vs ShadoWolfe.

I'm fairly confident everyone else is town tho.

Hakulyte 05-5-2020 11:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729983)
Well, I feel mighty stupid voting on a wolf wagon yesterday. It's good news for town though, I honestly thought the game was done for. Guys, why would all scum out themselves like that, and why would none of them jump on jessie, the easiest bus ever?

I know I haven't done the most work out of anyone all game, but I think its the worst time to get cocky and assume the game is figured out. I'm not scum.

It is extremely unlikely Dusk is scum with DbP after yesterday, so I'm taking him off the table. (If he actually is scum then mvp for wolf team theatre), and I'm obviously taking Leetic off the table

So Shadowe or Haku is our last wolf. At this point I don't really know who has more equity with Jessie and Dbp. I think both players could have equity with anyone in the game, which makes it a bit more difficult. I'm gonna Iso them both over the course of this phase and hopefully have a better lead.

The more I read this, the more I feel like I'm reading the perspective of a third person view rather than a town player having concerns between who's the wolf in Shado/Haku.

welp.

Bolth mannn 05-5-2020 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4730007)
The more I read this, the more I feel like I'm reading the perspective of a third person view rather than a town player having concerns between who's the wolf in Shado/Haku.



welp.



Just a bit dejected, I feel like Iíve been played the entire game

You being scum makes the most sense to me based on the two possibilities Iím stuck between, but Iím townreading your posts a lot more than Wolfeís

Hakulyte 05-6-2020 12:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4730008)
Just a bit dejected, I feel like Iíve been played the entire game

You being scum makes the most sense to me based on the two possibilities Iím stuck between, but Iím townreading your posts a lot more than Wolfeís

How do you feel about Shado being down for voting you.

Duskfall also felt like it was you as well.

There's even older posts where FG/Xiz were interested into voting you.

Your entrance mini wall ironically links you to DBP with the vote even if random.

You have a lot of posts centered around DBP in a similar fashion as jessie.

Looks like your votes were

D1 -> leetic (with me)
D2 -> Xiz (with Shadow and me)
D3 -> Duskfall (alone)
D4 -> Duskfall (alone with 2 wolves)

Not your best game if town.


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