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Charu 08-20-2019 04:03 PM

TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
MAD17
The MU Champs Version


36 HOUR DAY PHASES
12 HOUR NIGHT PHASES

ROLES
13x Town
4x Mafia


Of the following 18 roles, 1 will randomly be discarded and the other 17 will be assigned at random to one player in the game without regard for the player's alignment. Each role is restricted to using its action only on the nights listed on the chart. The Mafia will be told which role is not present in the game.




Watcher: Learns who visited the target, but not what actions they did

Alignment Cop: Learns whether the target is town or mafia, but not their role

Vigilante: Kills the target

Doctor: Protects the target from kills on that night only (cannot self-protect)

Tracker: Learns who the target visited, but not what actions they did

Roleblocker: Prevents the target from using their action on that night only

Jailkeeper: Performs both a Doctor and Roleblocker action on the target, both protecting and blocking them (cannot self-protect)

Role Cop: Learns the role of the target, but not whether they are town or mafia

Jack of All Trades: Can use one of their abilities per night without repeats

Voyeur: Learns what type of actions were performed on the target, but not who did them

Macho: The player cannot be protected from kills

Strongman: Kills performed with Strongman cannot be stopped in any way (serves no purpose if the player is town)

Ninja: Night actions performed on the night that Ninja is used are invisible to investigative roles (Trackers, Watchers, and Voyeurs)

MECHANICS
  • Role reveals at death are alignment only. You will not learn a player's exact role when they die.
  • Usage of night actions is optional, but unused actions will be lost.
  • Mafia factional kills are optional. Mafia may submit a factional kill each night, but are not required to. However, starting night 5, the factional kill will be mandatory.
  • Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
  • Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction.
  • Mafia members may perform the faction kill in addition to their regular action at the same time.

Role PMs
Please go to this page to find the exact wording of the Role PMs: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...oles-Modifiers

FAQ [Specifics for this setup]

Q: What changes to the setup have been made since the practice games?

A: The Roleblocker role has been split into two roles, creating 18 total. One role will randomly be excluded from the setup, and the Mafia will be told which one it is. Also, both Tracker roles have gained Strongman modifiers.


Q: What does Cycle mean?

A: Cycle is MU terminology for the night(s) on which a role can act. This is an example of how some roles might appear in Role PMs and Role Cop investigations:

Jack of All Trades (x1 Doctor, x1 Jailkeeper, x1 Voyeur) | Cycle 1, 2, 3
Doctor | Cycle 2, 4
Alignment Cop | x1 Ninja | Cycle 2
Macho Watcher | Cycle 1


Q: What do the Voyeur results look like?

A: The Voyeur sees the type of action performed on the target, but not the exact action. There's four categories: Protection (Doctor), Manipulative (Roleblocker, Jailkeeper), Killing (Vigilante, Mafia Faction Kill), and Investigative (all others). The Voyeur does not see their own action in their results. This is a sample results PM: "the sun fan had Manipulative, Investigative, Killing done to them."


Q: What is the order of operations? What happens if a roleblocker targets a roleblocker?

ORDER OF OPERATIONS

Night actions are processed in this order:

Strongman kills
Roleblocks
Jails
Doctors
Bodyguards
Kills
Investigations
Backups

However, there is one important clarification: the order of operations lists Strongman Kills first because they are immune to blocks, and regular kills are listed ahead of investigative actions because investigative roles can witness killing actions, but this only means that the target is marked for death before other actions are processed. No deaths actually occur until after all actions have been processed. In other words, dying at night never stops a player's action from happening.

The other important pieces of information are that Roleblockers act before Jailkeepers and that those roles are capable of blocking another player who attempts to use the same action.

Q: Can Mafia players target their teammates with night actions?

A: Yes. The Mafia's faction kill cannot be used on a member of their own team, but all other actions (including Vigilante kills) may be used on members of their own team.


Q: Can Doctors and Jailkeepers self-target in order to protect themselves?

A: No.

Q: Which roles can self-target?

A: Only Watchers.


Q: Are the Strongman and Ninja actions limited only to the nights listed on the chart?

A: No. If a player is Mafia, they may use their Strongman or Ninja ability on any night.


Q: Can players be investigated while they are jailkept?

A: Yes. Jailkeep is a combination of roleblock and doctor, neither of which prevent investigations on the target.

...

ACTION FEEDBACK

These are the results you will get when you submit certain actions.

Non-investigative roles when they submit an action (they also receive this if they are roleblocked):

Quote:

Your action on Player A was received.
Investigative actions return results even if the target dies on the same night.

Actions that count as visits are counted as visits even if the actor dies on the same night.

Investigative roles (Tracker, Cop, etc.) when roleblocked:

Quote:

Your action on Player B did not return any results.
Trackers when tracking a person that didn't visit anyone (or if they targeted a Ninja):

Quote:

Player C did not visit anyone.
Watchers when watching a person that wasn't visited by anyone (or only visited by a Ninja):

Quote:

Player D was not visited by anyone.
Alignment Cop when investigating a town-aligned player (or a Godfather):

Quote:

Player E is Town
Watcher when watching a person that was visited by multiple people:

Quote:

Player F was visited by Player G, Player H, Player I


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SIGNUPS

1. the sun fan TOWN [Killed Night 5]

2. Xiz TOWN [Lynched Day 3]

3. Funnygurl555 TOWN [Killed Night 2]

4. MixMasterLar TOWN [Lynched Day 6

5. roundbox WOLF [WON AT ENDGAME]

6. Shadow_God_10 WOLF [Lynched Day 1]

7. SubaruPoptart TOWN [Killed Night 6]

8. DaBackPack TOWN [Killed Night 1]

9. XelNya/Xelicopter TOWN [LOST AT ENDGAME]

10. HateandHatred TOWN [Killed Night 3]

11. 123kappa3 TOWN [Lynched Day 7]

12. jessiebessie TOWN [Killed Night 3]

13. Precarious WOLF [Lynched Day 4]

14. dragonmegaXX WOLF [Lynched Day 2]

15. Svaz TOWN [ModKilled]

16. _Zenith_ TOWN [Killed Night 2]

17. psychoangel691 TOWN [Lynched Day 5]

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REPLACEMENTS

Way too many in this game, jesus...

Charu 08-20-2019 04:04 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...xI1-ewn7M/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...Dz3s1eYkE/edit

Charu 08-20-2019 04:04 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Dead chat and wolf chat are a part of the google docs too

Charu 08-20-2019 04:05 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
[Post reserved]

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 04:07 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Town threw. This was actually a throw. I was in a constant state of despair watching each day phase pass. The only town players I would say actually did "good" were jessie, Kappa, and FG.

One great D0 lynch and two mechanical wolf kills and the rest of you still let town lose. Not gonna lie I was pretty fucking mad like, the whole time.

Kappa, you did actually really well given the situation you placed into. I hope you come back and play with us some more. You had some solid intuition this game.

Jessie, that was a great watcher use. MVP IMO.

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:07 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
GG to Roundbox, who legit pocketed me and laughed when I said I was too good to be pocketed

My only serious complaint is that the lack of effort from a sizable amount of people who have the gumption to sign up but not the time to post 5 times in 36 hours is making me question if playing these is even worth.

Well, that and Xel just not even trying to read posts or questioning why if Kappa was the wolf he killed the one person the easiest to sway instead of Xel who was saying he would blindly vote that slot but you know w/e

the sun fan 08-20-2019 04:10 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I sincerely don't think I did anything wrong, DBP
my auto-circle was perfect from the cocoa lynch onwards

I caught precarious for the right reasons and while I wasn't ramming it down people's throats (and I couldn't have done it without your clutch vote on him), I was the person who voted shadowgod first

what did I do wrong or do to not play well?

Gradiant 08-20-2019 04:11 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Shit happens when town absolutely refuses to be open to changing reads.
Was really nice to see kappa replace into not a good spot and immediately call roundbox out on his shit, but then he got completely ignored.

Svaz 08-20-2019 04:12 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
“Lynching inactives is a bad policy” - someone that lost to some UTR ass wolf

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:14 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4694096)

what did I do wrong or do to not play well?

I mean I don't want to kick a dead horse or anything but deciding that everyone was townier then me doing a time period where I wasn't even doing anything, and sticking with it so hard you basically rendered my slot completely useless is still pretty bad. I aint even talking about the idea that I hate being voted for because too nice or whatever.

It seriously was you just tinfoiling me so hard that you fucked over a town for no reason.




















































In before DBP unloads on me for all my mistakes

inDheart 08-20-2019 04:14 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
this sure was a game of twg that was played

i remember laughing at sunfan drawing the correct conclusion from the modpost

Svaz 08-20-2019 04:14 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Oh and I can explain the modkill I guess, basically I offered not to join deadchat in the event I died which came off as too town w/e imo it coulda been either way, arguably the dumbest move of the whole game

Luckily I have a bunch of shit to do now so I can go be bad at mahjong or some MMOs in my free time instead of TWG lol

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:14 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Svaz (Post 4694099)
“Lynching inactives is a bad policy” - someone that lost to some UTR ass wolf

I have to fight this fight every game

SubaruPoptart 08-20-2019 04:15 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
o o o h h h my g o o o dd I got played so goddamn hard. Shoulda went with suspicions but ya boi sheeped.

I feel it started going downhill when I shot Zenith so I apologize for that.

Charu 08-20-2019 04:16 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Svaz (Post 4694102)
Oh and I can explain the modkill I guess, basically I offered not to join deadchat in the event I died which came off as too town w/e imo it coulda been either way, arguably the dumbest move of the whole game

Luckily I have a bunch of shit to do now so I can go be bad at mahjong or some MMOs in my free time instead of TWG lol

Oh no, is this you saying you're quitting FFRTWG!?

=(

Gradiant 08-20-2019 04:16 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Also everybody deciding that charu'd mod post meant antori was the last wolf, completely ignoring that roundbox also had basically no participation at the time either.

123kappa3 08-20-2019 04:17 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I had fun playing. I am a little sad that town lost. Round played amazing as wolf in the end. I thought MML did pretty well at trying to be town in the end allthough early game he just looked too bad. Poptart you did alright imo its just you need to be more proactive. youll get the hang of it in the future.


This was my first forum mafia game. I am not used to how slow it goes xD.

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:18 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gradiant (Post 4694106)
Also everybody deciding that charu'd mod post meant antori was the last wolf, completely ignoring that roundbox also had basically no participation at the time either.

This is incorrect as Roundbox was in a conversation with SunFan at the time IIRC

the sun fan 08-20-2019 04:18 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
after the prec lynch,
I was never lynching subaru
I was never lynching antori
I was never lynching xel
after the modpost, I was never lynching Lar

my POE would've won
how did I play bad I legit don't understand

the sun fan 08-20-2019 04:18 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gradiant (Post 4694106)
Also everybody deciding that charu'd mod post meant antori was the last wolf, completely ignoring that roundbox also had basically no participation at the time either.

I checked his postcount
he had like 7 posts at the time, so it literally didn't apply to him

Charu 08-20-2019 04:18 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Alright, let me explain the modpost

This game... was filled with inactives, or players that simply wouldn't post.

Remember this post fellas? The one before the game started proper?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4691446)
I'd like to avoid having to scurry around and harass the offending players to actually play their game.

Yeah, I didn't get my wish.

Svaz 08-20-2019 04:18 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4694105)
Oh no, is this you saying you're quitting FFRTWG!?

=(

Oh I only have this gig temporarily, sounds like it’ll be done around September or so, theoretically I’ll have time to play again then

Charu 08-20-2019 04:19 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
So when EoD was about to roll around again, I had

THREE PLAYERS

Not having fulfilled the post requirement.

roundbox
Xelicopter
Antori

Seriously, what the hell?

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:21 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Thread needs more XelNya Avatar

XelNya 08-20-2019 04:23 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4694115)
Thread needs more XelNya Avatar

I'm gonna be a real sport about it

and use it preemptively

because I am MAJORLY forgetful.

Charu 08-20-2019 04:23 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Oh yeah, what is it?

I wanna see it~

Svaz 08-20-2019 04:25 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Also kappa did super well not just as a replacement, but in general, really hope to see you do more, and I’m sorry nobody listened to you even though you were right o7

Svaz 08-20-2019 04:25 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Holy shit that avatar 10/10 lmao

123kappa3 08-20-2019 04:25 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Im still not sure why I was dismissed so easily. I thought my reads were pretty solid.

Svaz 08-20-2019 04:27 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694120)
Im still not sure why I was dismissed so easily. I thought my reads were pretty solid.

I feel like since a lot of people play with the same people every time it becomes more of a personality gauge and it’s easier to go for the unknowns, just my personal perception here though

Gradiant 08-20-2019 04:28 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4694111)
I checked his postcount
he had like 7 posts at the time, so it literally didn't apply to him

yeah sorry. I guess i was looking for actual content, not fluff
Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4693436)
charu even bruh'd in the start of day post
what a fuckin game for the books

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4693437)
(image of a toad)

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4693568)
surface level post because I'm playing final fantasy
if lar is somehow a miss I'd go antori>psychoangel
xel's n1 on antori as well as how he claimed his role are still singing town to my ears

obv I'll reread if I need to

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4693570)
larl

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4693590)
don't scare me plz


the sun fan 08-20-2019 04:28 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694120)
Im still not sure why I was dismissed so easily. I thought my reads were pretty solid.

I'll answer with a story

on a different website, I recently subbed into a game where I found myself in wolfchat. I made a few posts, and then realized that I had been substituted into a slot where I was outed as a wolf

Nothing I said could've possibly mattered at that point.

While it wasn't confirmed, a lot of people had you in their Process of Elimination, and they weren't budging on it. Should they have been doing that? Yes, of course

but they weren't

that's all it was

the sun fan 08-20-2019 04:29 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gradiant (Post 4694122)
yeah sorry. I guess i was looking for actual content, not fluff

I get what you're saying then

123kappa3 08-20-2019 04:32 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
When MML brought up the sig thing about round. I was like well fk can anything else just go against me. But charu your sig was right :P.

flashflash account 08-20-2019 04:35 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
tHiS sEtUp Is ToWnSiDeD

the sun fan 08-20-2019 04:37 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4694126)
tHiS sEtUp Is ToWnSiDeD

lmao, yeah
I agree that I'm not so sure about that one

123kappa3 08-20-2019 04:38 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I think this setup is actually pretty good for wolves. If a couple wolves dont die early this game becomes really hard. I dont think this game was wolf sided becasue town could have won so easily and im so sad they didnt but, I think town was in the advantage.

Charu 08-20-2019 04:38 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4694114)
So when EoD was about to roll around again, I had

THREE PLAYERS

Not having fulfilled the post requirement.

roundbox
Xelicopter
Antori

Seriously, what the hell?

Anyways, I had three players not reaching my post requirement with EoD in 2 hours, and actually had a player ask me if they would die if insta were to reach at that moment, Made me pretty sad (and a bit peeved).

Long story short, I got fed up with the inactives and tried to FLEX-TAPE the solution that I thought wouldn't effect the gamestate. Unfortunately, it muddied up some reads... and that... was that.

Charu 08-20-2019 04:39 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694125)
When MML brought up the sig thing about round. I was like well fk can anything else just go against me. But charu your sig was right :P.

It's a joke policy of mine.

Roundbox just screams wolf to me often, I can't help it.

inDheart 08-20-2019 04:45 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
the witchhunt regs seem to think it's townsided, but i'm not sure any of them are human, so

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:46 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Charu that's one of my favorite sigs on the site never change it

Christmas Spirit is still pretty enjoyable

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:49 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 

roundbox 08-20-2019 05:28 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4694114)
So when EoD was about to roll around again, I had

THREE PLAYERS

Not having fulfilled the post requirement.

roundbox
Xelicopter
Antori

Seriously, what the hell?

hey, I was never going to put myself in a situation where I missed the posting requirement
and I only asked if I would have died due to insta because I didn't want to die and just straight up lose as the last wolf

you old kid!!


kappa, you did wonderful
I was actually afraid I was going to lose when you replaced in and were super gung-ho on me

123kappa3 08-20-2019 05:29 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
IM glad i got you at least a little scared :P.

roundbox 08-20-2019 05:37 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
sunfan and jessie were beastin this game

I killed FG because she sussed me and I had a hunch she was going to use her ability on me, but I didn't know which one she had

the sun fan 08-20-2019 05:40 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
ah, Precarious knew that n2 watcher was safe because that's what Cocoa was

you are probably better off claiming anything that a dead person was there, Precarious. You can easily narrow it down, and something like n1/n3 roleblocker (you can even say you roleblocked lar!) is a lot more believable

123kappa3 08-20-2019 05:48 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
oh yeah I didnt really have to deal with the roles. and tbh these roles were kind of wierd I just kind of looked over them. Thats one thing I am going to try to understand more is how the roles impact these games.

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 05:57 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Sunfan, you had a good town circle but still couldn't converge on the final wolf via reads. A PoE approach isn't bad but you have to convince other people to follow your will after you die. That didn't happen, so your reasoning in this respect did not sufficiently alter the game state.

Maybe this is isn't fair to leverage against you but I think town relied on you as a leader and IMO you fell a little short there.

Anyway, I have come to like this setup and would like to see it run again... since this game didn't really showcase it's mechanics too well.

roundbox 08-20-2019 05:59 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
town's gotta pick up the slack too
you can't just rely on a leader to point out lynches

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:00 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
This is more of an abstract thought, but I think the ability to rally people behind your cause, even if you have low confidence, is one of the most important skills in this game. There wasn't a whole lot of town leadership this game (suntan came close) and chaos took over.

Being correct doesn't matter if you can't get others to follow your will

123kappa3 08-20-2019 06:02 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4694141)
This is more of an abstract thought, but I think the ability to rally people behind your cause, even if you have low confidence, is one of the most important skills in this game. There wasn't a whole lot of town leadership this game (suntan came close) and chaos took over.

Being correct doesn't matter if you can't get others to follow your will

This was actually one of my plans in the beginning. I wanted to lynch myself and get MML to vote round. It was just hard to convince.

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:05 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4694140)
town's gotta pick up the slack too
you can't just rely on a leader to point out lynches

Of course, but it's not a case of people blindly sleeping a leader; it's a leader sufficiently convincing other people that he is right.

I'm not suggesting that sunfan played poorly, but rather that he, along with most other town, were incapable of preventing the gradual downfall of town. And sunfan in particular was in a position to exert more influence in the right direction but it didn't happen.

There's a chance my perspective is blinded by frustration with the game as a whole, and that I might be misrepresenting sunfan's play. It's just, with kappa, jessie I could point to specific things they did that threatened the wolf team, and I have the perception that sunfan had fewer moments like that.

It's not a sunfan-specific thing by the way, I'm only saying this because he asked specifically.

roundbox 08-20-2019 06:12 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I think being dead and seeing how the game progresses towards salvation or towards ruin can alter your perspective a little bit

thinking of my perspective from inside the game, it shouldn't be only sunfan that can lead a case against me to get me lynched
it seemed like people were getting complacent with their reads this game

123kappa3 08-20-2019 06:13 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
If i just came in one day earlier... xD

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:21 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4694144)
I think being dead and seeing how the game progresses towards salvation or towards ruin can alter your perspective a little bit

thinking of my perspective from inside the game, it shouldn't be only sunfan that can lead a case against me to get me lynched
it seemed like people were getting complacent with their reads this game

Well no, it shouldn't be "just sunfan", I'm only talking about sunfan because he asked. He said, "but I had the game mechanically locked", to which I said "but town still lost because they didn't listen". That's all. If someone else asked I'd give them a proper answer as well.

Ideally every player exerts this assertive leadership style and pushes forward, towards the path they believe in. Town getting complacent 100% shut this game down. Kappa went against the grain and pushed for his own reads really hard but he lacked the ethos to be taken seriously (largely antori's fault). I know sheeping happens and not everyone has the answers but ideally several players are vocal and assertive about their beliefs.

I suppose the more general theme is, in my opinion, that having good ideas and good reads shouldn't be the main indicator of quality of play. Ideas and reads need to result in lynches. The impact of a player's play should be determined more in terms of outcome and consequence than of reasoning. (Not that good reads aren't admirable or valuable! But not sufficient)

That's all I guess

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:25 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4694110)
after the prec lynch,
I was never lynching subaru
I was never lynching antori
I was never lynching xel
after the modpost, I was never lynching Lar

my POE would've won
how did I play bad I legit don't understand

This is the post in question that I was giving an answer to

You didn't play bad, the wording in my original post was "played [well]"; the negation of that isn't "played bad" since there's also "played average", etc.

There are players who played flat-out bad but I'm not gonna go there

123kappa3 08-20-2019 06:55 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
So my one big problem was a gave up too fast.

I think I let myself get too unmotivated when Xel said I 100% disagree. At that point I felt done and I couldnt win.

Next time even if it is a lost cause Ill die fighting :).

I know I made other mistakes and if anyone wants to point them out ill be happy. I want to get better. I only played for a little while but, I had fun.

roundbox 08-20-2019 07:19 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694148)
So my one big problem was a gave up too fast.

I think I let myself get too unmotivated when Xel said I 100% disagree. At that point I felt done and I couldnt win.

Next time even if it is a lost cause Ill die fighting :).

I know I made other mistakes and if anyone wants to point them out ill be happy. I want to get better. I only played for a little while but, I had fun.

sign up next game! you'll do well

Funnygurl555 08-20-2019 07:44 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
even if roundbox won i still want jess to be mvp 'cause she is always mvp in my heart

that turnaround though. gg roundbox + wolves

the sun fan 08-20-2019 09:01 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
reminder that the turbo still needs signups

123kappa3 08-20-2019 09:04 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
PLease sign up for turbo I want to play again :).

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 09:35 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694148)
I know I made other mistakes and if anyone wants to point them out ill be happy. I want to get better. I only played for a little while but, I had fun.

Honestly, just keep on keeping on.

_Zenith_ 08-20-2019 11:00 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I don't think it's been said yet but we spoke in dead chat how the wolf team thought I was the Voyeur and Charu explicitly told us that in big bolded lettering that Voyeur did not exist in this game.

That made my death not seem so bad.

_Zenith_ 08-20-2019 11:01 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
One thing I did not like was two instas instead of taking time to discuss and form a plan. I understand that the players were inactive/not posting but you should always use the allotted time if there's no threat of immediate action.

123kappa3 08-20-2019 11:08 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Okay so Ive never played with instas before. I fully understand why you should use as much time as your allotted for like a million and one reasons. For me and this was probably a bad idea but, I was trying to use insta as a way to say I know that insta can happen and im okay with it because im town.

the sun fan 08-20-2019 11:51 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by _Zenith_ (Post 4694167)
One thing I did not like was two instas instead of taking time to discuss and form a plan. I understand that the players were inactive/not posting but you should always use the allotted time if there's no threat of immediate action.

people weren't solving
I said it during the game but people don't solve unless they know that they have to
its very annoying

_Zenith_ 08-21-2019 03:28 AM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4694170)
people weren't solving
I said it during the game but people don't solve unless they know that they have to
its very annoying

I understand that and how frustrating it might be, but there's other ways to be productive too. My comment isn't meant to target anyone other than the concept. If I were in that position I would at least give data points for discussion when people had the time to respond and perhaps elaborate on some reads more in-depth, but perhaps that's trying too hard.

Off-topic from above, I asked in the discord server where you guys were playing outside of here as I'd like to get back into being an active mafia/TWG player so I'll take any recommendations if you have them.

Charu 08-21-2019 07:10 AM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4694170)
people weren't solving
I said it during the game but people don't solve unless they know that they have to
its very annoying

Probably part of the inactive problem too.

I agree, it's super annoying.

Xiz 08-21-2019 12:25 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I disagree with DBP's bad town list completely.

The best thing wolves could have done in that situation was to lynch me from my stupid night action, and kill greg considering greg's town circle.
If we would have been alive or I made it out of the KiTB, then it would have been unquestionably GG.

Well done on the sketchy lynch roundbox, ya pulled it off.

Charu 08-21-2019 12:30 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Oh yeah, that did remind me how it amused me that no one thought the sudden votes on Xiz were not questionable.

Precarious wasn't even caught from that, it was something else completely.

XelNya 08-21-2019 01:19 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694148)
I think I let myself get too unmotivated when Xel said I 100% disagree. At that point I felt done and I couldnt win.

It wouldn't be unfair / unheard of to say we lost the game because I'm such a stubborn ass hole. It'd be a fair comment, because the hindsight is literally slapping me in the face.

And now I have lost a bet with thesunfan, and that will never feel good.

flashflash account 08-21-2019 02:33 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4694194)
It wouldn't be unfair / unheard of to say we lost the game because I'm such a stubborn ass hole. It'd be a fair comment, because the hindsight is literally slapping me in the face.

And now I have lost a bet with thesunfan, and that will never feel good.

all you have to do is remember that time sunfan lost a bet and changed his avatar

XelNya 08-21-2019 02:53 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4694197)
all you have to do is remember that time sunfan lost a bet and changed his avatar

tbh I'd have prefered the furry shit to this

which is likely why he picked it

MixMasterLar 08-21-2019 03:09 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I personally don't find that avatar that offensive

I mean, just look at that beard!

XelNya 08-21-2019 03:14 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4694201)
I personally don't find that avatar that offensive

I mean, just look at that beard!

it gives a compliment

it's positive

it's bad

Funnygurl555 08-21-2019 03:31 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
LMFAO

MixMasterLar 08-21-2019 03:43 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I'm even wearing an Overwatch T-Shirt

I don't know what the issue is man

Hateandhatred 08-21-2019 03:54 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694168)
Okay so Ive never played with instas before. I fully understand why you should use as much time as your allotted for like a million and one reasons. For me and this was probably a bad idea but, I was trying to use insta as a way to say I know that insta can happen and im okay with it because im town.

no

roundbox 08-21-2019 08:05 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
I love the new avatar, lmao

Shadow_God_10 08-21-2019 11:29 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4694170)
people weren't solving
I said it during the game but people don't solve unless they know that they have to
its very annoying

This is part of the problem that I have tbh. I'm very anxious to voice my opinion so I just stay quiet as opposed to voicing my own thoughts. I'm gonna change that though. I hate the way I played the last two games and am disgusted with myself due to poor play. Maybe this is just a beginner having extreme high standards but I still think it's ridiculous that I'm still so anxious about voicing my thoughts. It could possibly be wolf anxiety (I HAVE rolled wolf 2/3 games I've played) and paranoia idk.

Just ranting like an idiot here. Ignore if you wish.


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