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-   -   TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME] (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=151180)

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:46 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Charu that's one of my favorite sigs on the site never change it

Christmas Spirit is still pretty enjoyable

MixMasterLar 08-20-2019 04:49 PM

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roundbox 08-20-2019 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4694114)
So when EoD was about to roll around again, I had

THREE PLAYERS

Not having fulfilled the post requirement.

roundbox
Xelicopter
Antori

Seriously, what the hell?

hey, I was never going to put myself in a situation where I missed the posting requirement
and I only asked if I would have died due to insta because I didn't want to die and just straight up lose as the last wolf

you old kid!!


kappa, you did wonderful
I was actually afraid I was going to lose when you replaced in and were super gung-ho on me

123kappa3 08-20-2019 05:29 PM

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IM glad i got you at least a little scared :P.

roundbox 08-20-2019 05:37 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
sunfan and jessie were beastin this game

I killed FG because she sussed me and I had a hunch she was going to use her ability on me, but I didn't know which one she had

the sun fan 08-20-2019 05:40 PM

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ah, Precarious knew that n2 watcher was safe because that's what Cocoa was

you are probably better off claiming anything that a dead person was there, Precarious. You can easily narrow it down, and something like n1/n3 roleblocker (you can even say you roleblocked lar!) is a lot more believable

123kappa3 08-20-2019 05:48 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
oh yeah I didnt really have to deal with the roles. and tbh these roles were kind of wierd I just kind of looked over them. Thats one thing I am going to try to understand more is how the roles impact these games.

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 05:57 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
Sunfan, you had a good town circle but still couldn't converge on the final wolf via reads. A PoE approach isn't bad but you have to convince other people to follow your will after you die. That didn't happen, so your reasoning in this respect did not sufficiently alter the game state.

Maybe this is isn't fair to leverage against you but I think town relied on you as a leader and IMO you fell a little short there.

Anyway, I have come to like this setup and would like to see it run again... since this game didn't really showcase it's mechanics too well.

roundbox 08-20-2019 05:59 PM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]
 
town's gotta pick up the slack too
you can't just rely on a leader to point out lynches

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:00 PM

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This is more of an abstract thought, but I think the ability to rally people behind your cause, even if you have low confidence, is one of the most important skills in this game. There wasn't a whole lot of town leadership this game (suntan came close) and chaos took over.

Being correct doesn't matter if you can't get others to follow your will

123kappa3 08-20-2019 06:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4694141)
This is more of an abstract thought, but I think the ability to rally people behind your cause, even if you have low confidence, is one of the most important skills in this game. There wasn't a whole lot of town leadership this game (suntan came close) and chaos took over.

Being correct doesn't matter if you can't get others to follow your will

This was actually one of my plans in the beginning. I wanted to lynch myself and get MML to vote round. It was just hard to convince.

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4694140)
town's gotta pick up the slack too
you can't just rely on a leader to point out lynches

Of course, but it's not a case of people blindly sleeping a leader; it's a leader sufficiently convincing other people that he is right.

I'm not suggesting that sunfan played poorly, but rather that he, along with most other town, were incapable of preventing the gradual downfall of town. And sunfan in particular was in a position to exert more influence in the right direction but it didn't happen.

There's a chance my perspective is blinded by frustration with the game as a whole, and that I might be misrepresenting sunfan's play. It's just, with kappa, jessie I could point to specific things they did that threatened the wolf team, and I have the perception that sunfan had fewer moments like that.

It's not a sunfan-specific thing by the way, I'm only saying this because he asked specifically.

roundbox 08-20-2019 06:12 PM

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I think being dead and seeing how the game progresses towards salvation or towards ruin can alter your perspective a little bit

thinking of my perspective from inside the game, it shouldn't be only sunfan that can lead a case against me to get me lynched
it seemed like people were getting complacent with their reads this game

123kappa3 08-20-2019 06:13 PM

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If i just came in one day earlier... xD

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4694144)
I think being dead and seeing how the game progresses towards salvation or towards ruin can alter your perspective a little bit

thinking of my perspective from inside the game, it shouldn't be only sunfan that can lead a case against me to get me lynched
it seemed like people were getting complacent with their reads this game

Well no, it shouldn't be "just sunfan", I'm only talking about sunfan because he asked. He said, "but I had the game mechanically locked", to which I said "but town still lost because they didn't listen". That's all. If someone else asked I'd give them a proper answer as well.

Ideally every player exerts this assertive leadership style and pushes forward, towards the path they believe in. Town getting complacent 100% shut this game down. Kappa went against the grain and pushed for his own reads really hard but he lacked the ethos to be taken seriously (largely antori's fault). I know sheeping happens and not everyone has the answers but ideally several players are vocal and assertive about their beliefs.

I suppose the more general theme is, in my opinion, that having good ideas and good reads shouldn't be the main indicator of quality of play. Ideas and reads need to result in lynches. The impact of a player's play should be determined more in terms of outcome and consequence than of reasoning. (Not that good reads aren't admirable or valuable! But not sufficient)

That's all I guess

DaBackpack 08-20-2019 06:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4694110)
after the prec lynch,
I was never lynching subaru
I was never lynching antori
I was never lynching xel
after the modpost, I was never lynching Lar

my POE would've won
how did I play bad I legit don't understand

This is the post in question that I was giving an answer to

You didn't play bad, the wording in my original post was "played [well]"; the negation of that isn't "played bad" since there's also "played average", etc.

There are players who played flat-out bad but I'm not gonna go there

123kappa3 08-20-2019 06:55 PM

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So my one big problem was a gave up too fast.

I think I let myself get too unmotivated when Xel said I 100% disagree. At that point I felt done and I couldnt win.

Next time even if it is a lost cause Ill die fighting :).

I know I made other mistakes and if anyone wants to point them out ill be happy. I want to get better. I only played for a little while but, I had fun.

roundbox 08-20-2019 07:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4694148)
So my one big problem was a gave up too fast.

I think I let myself get too unmotivated when Xel said I 100% disagree. At that point I felt done and I couldnt win.

Next time even if it is a lost cause Ill die fighting :).

I know I made other mistakes and if anyone wants to point them out ill be happy. I want to get better. I only played for a little while but, I had fun.

sign up next game! you'll do well

Funnygurl555 08-20-2019 07:44 PM

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even if roundbox won i still want jess to be mvp 'cause she is always mvp in my heart

that turnaround though. gg roundbox + wolves

the sun fan 08-20-2019 09:01 PM

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reminder that the turbo still needs signups


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