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Psychotik 08-12-2020 04:44 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information
Song Title: hARPIES15HP
Song Artist: Wisp
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=2850

Description of Issue(s)
Some white notes need to be moved up or down a frame to align with the quarter note.
#584
#845
#956
#974

#1014 also needs to move down a frame to remove the only 2 framer in the chart.

VisD 08-13-2020 11:27 AM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information
Song Title: eccentric ghost channel as Poltergeist
Song Artist: cybermiso
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=2920

Description of Issue(s)
The roll at around combo 639 should be frame-fixed so that there is not a [14] jump on a 32nd and 16th. Haku's screenshots (thanks Haku):



There's an equivalent mirrored roll at around combo 580 which converted better:

HammyMcSquirrel 08-15-2020 08:24 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information
Song Title: Domani
Song Artist: DJ Plaeskool
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=138

Description of Issue(s)
Red note syndrome starting at arrow 620.

HammyMcSquirrel 08-15-2020 08:29 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information
Song Title: Visions (NRGyzd Remix)
Song Artist: Square Bear
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=120

Description of Issue(s)
The following sections have a mixture of red and blue notes where there should be 32nds (24ths?) involved.

450 - 473
591 - 614
688 - 703
1325 - 1348

SubaruPoptart 08-17-2020 11:18 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information
Song Title: All i wanna do is touch your powerpoints
Song Artist: Loli Ripe
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...hp?level=2137#

Description of Issue(s)

Disclaimer: I'm not experienced in chart analysis so I have screenshots of every issue I'm going to put here, which is located here: https://imgur.com/a/ufl3ero

* Starting at Note 487, there's three sets of three [34] jacks. According to Alice the first two sets are 3 framers, yet the last one is a 3 framer then a 2 framer.

* Starting at Note 626, there's a five note [12] jack, with a 2-framer occurring between the 3rd and 4th [12] in the set.

* Almost right after it, at note 715, there's a five note [34] jack. The 2-framer occurs between the 3rd and 4th [34] in the set, just like the last one.

* Starting at note 1190 there's a three note [24] jack, with a 2-framer occurring between the 1st and 2nd [24].

Pizza69 08-17-2020 11:50 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information
Song Title: Fox Tales
Song Artist: Koloto
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=2790

Description of Issue(s)
Most of the 2-framers in this file are fine since they're isolated and the song is 174 bpm, but notes #2085 and #2225 force much tougher 2-framers, and these should be shifted down a frame so the minijacks are 3-framers.

Hakulyte 08-19-2020 07:07 AM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information

Song Title: Eine Kleine Funkmusikk
Song Artist: Teetow
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=2946

Description of Issue(s)
There's a spin pattern [2][1][3][4] that starts at 1005 combo which contains three [3] notes that are 1 frame more late than they should be.

#1016
#1020
#1024

If you're more visual:


The left side on all perfectly on sync.

TC_Halogen 08-19-2020 09:19 AM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4740706)
Song Information

Song Title: Eine Kleine Funkmusikk
Song Artist: Teetow
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=2946

Description of Issue(s)
There's a spin pattern [2][1][3][4] that starts at 1005 combo which contains three [3] notes that are 1 frame more late than they should be.

#1016
#1020
#1024

If you're more visual:


The left side on all perfectly on sync.

This is incorrect for two reasons, with the first reason being why I encourage those who are doing frame fixes to have access to the file itself and analyzing it before making any changes.

- a.) the burst starts slightly slower in the beginning (in the first 8 notes), which is why there's no one-frame gaps between notes

- b.) there are only 7 frames between the start of each four note burst until the very last instance of the spin, meaning you are going to have a one-frame separation somewhere in every four note burst - what you're proposing places a one frame gap between U-L, which is harder to read and play through

I put the one-frame gap deliberately on U/R to make it more approachable and easier to read/play given that it is intended to be a spin burst (the pattern starts and repeats 2134 until it ends), because having the 2-frame separation on the left hand forces emphasis on evenness in the spinning motion that originates on the starting hand.

Hakulyte 08-19-2020 09:38 AM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Is it safe to say the the up notes are fine, but the right notes may be too early ?

I do know the original pattern is supposed to look like this:


I'm assuming:

#1017
#1021
#1025

Sorry for picking the wrong column somehow.

If the frame gaps doesn't allow any changes then I guess this can be ignored.

TC_Halogen 08-19-2020 09:55 AM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
It's not either of those things specifically, it's just a matter of squeezing four notes into a 7 note frame gap. There's going to be a 1-frame hiccup every four notes, no matter what you do.

I just happened to stick it on the U/R. People can subjectively decide where they want the one-frame gaps. *shrug*

HammyMcSquirrel 08-21-2020 11:26 AM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Song Information
Song Title: Evil Approaches
Song Artist: For Great Justice!
Link: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=140

Description of Issue(s)
There are a few small sections from 654-691 that have miscolored notes. (The notes are red, blue, or yellow when they should be colors that weren't available at the time the file was put in the game.)

DossarLX ODI 08-23-2020 01:16 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
List as of August 23rd, 2020

Cest What
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...4&postcount=39
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...6&postcount=40

hARPIES15HP
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...3&postcount=41

eccentric ghost channel as Poltergeist
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...0&postcount=42

Domani
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...3&postcount=43

Visions (NRGyzd Remix)
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...4&postcount=44

All i wanna do is touch your powerpoints
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...6&postcount=45

Fox Tales
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...8&postcount=46

Eine Kleine Funkmusikk
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...6&postcount=47
- Resolved; see http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...4&postcount=48 and http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...7&postcount=50

Evil Approaches
- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...5&postcount=51



Category

> Tight jack placement
Cest What
hARPIES15HP
All i wanna do is touch your powerpoints
Fox Tales

> Rolls discrepancy
eccentric ghost channel as Poltergeist
Eine Kleine Funkmusikk

> Note color issue
Domani
Visions (NRGyzd Remix)
Evil Approaches

TC_Halogen 08-23-2020 03:59 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Was there ever reasoning behind why the ending of Domani was red while the rest wasn't? I imagine we don't have a source chart for that, heh.

bmah 08-23-2020 04:10 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen (Post 4740968)
Was there ever reasoning behind why the ending of Domani was red while the rest wasn't? I imagine we don't have a source chart for that, heh.

My guess is that during the time when the early files were being recolored, not all of the files were comprehensively reviewed and some might have been overlooked. After all these years, someone finally noticed.

DossarLX ODI 08-23-2020 04:54 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen (Post 4740968)
Was there ever reasoning behind why the ending of Domani was red while the rest wasn't? I imagine we don't have a source chart for that, heh.

There's a possibility the speed went up 4x for all red notes, but without the original stepchart this is just speculation.

Since the chart was released in 2005 I don't know who has access to the original stepchart. If it was Tasselfoot, the source file might be long gone.

HammyMcSquirrel 08-23-2020 05:27 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Perhaps it was intentional. I didn't think of looking up anything on the song before but I checked out the thread for when it was released. (There wasn't a front page post mentioning it so this seems to be the best source of information on it.) A couple people mentioned the red arrows at the end but not as a question of it being an error. No one even makes that assertion and alainbryden posted in the thread making no comment on that aspect of the file being incorrect.

It seems safe to say that it is supposed to be that way after all. Thoughts?

TC_Halogen 08-23-2020 05:39 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4740972)
There's a possibility the speed went up 4x for all red notes, but without the original stepchart this is just speculation.

Since the chart was released in 2005 I don't know who has access to the original stepchart. If it was Tasselfoot, the source file might be long gone.

It's either not a 4x speed, or it changes from 4x -> 3x -> 4x; if the rhythm is correctly followed and they wanted to capture the kicks at the end properly, it could just be a single 8x speedup to properly capture the x--x--x-|x rhythm.

Just figured that I'd at least open a conversation about it potentially not being an error. I'm not particularly opposed to changing it to being properly colored.

One Winged Angel 08-23-2020 06:10 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
I always thought the quantization shift to 4ths in Domani was intentional, albeit strange. Possibly to make it harder to read against the background that used to be forced?

DossarLX ODI 08-23-2020 08:43 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Ok so I believe I've gathered together some evidence that supports Domani got shifted to all red notes because of the use of 12th notes around where the red note syndrome starts happening. In other words, the red note syndrome was not intentional/not a BPM change.

A post from Shashakiro mentioned how the red note syndrome in Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star was a bug in the converter, and later this was revealed to be the 24ths.

At the time the converter only supported red, blue, and yellow (4th, 8th, and 16th respectively). A post from plasmix in 2004 suggests that for 12ths and 24ths, the notes go to the "default" colors (presumably 4th/red color).

How does this fit in with Domani? It turns out that the area it turns into red note syndrome happens to have a 12th rhythm in it. When the person says "kick" three times in a row, that's a 12th rhythm. And from plasmix's post above, it looks like the dwi converter back then went one measure at a time, but if any 12ths or 24ths were found in that measure, the entire measure would choke as well as what came afterwards. See the picture below to see how this plays out.


Tasselfoot also mentioned Domani as being a file that should be fixed in this post.

TC_Halogen 08-23-2020 09:05 PM

Re: Frame Fix Log
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4740989)
Ok so I believe I've gathered together some evidence that supports Domani got shifted to all red notes because of the use of 12th notes around where the red note syndrome starts happening. In other words, the red note syndrome was not intentional/not a BPM change.

A post from Shashakiro mentioned how the red note syndrome in Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star was a bug in the converter, and later this was revealed to be the 24ths.

At the time the converter only supported red, blue, and yellow (4th, 8th, and 16th respectively). A post from plasmix in 2004 suggests that for 12ths and 24ths, the notes go to the "default" colors (presumably 4th/red color).

How does this fit in with Domani? It turns out that the area it turns into red note syndrome happens to have a 12th rhythm in it. When the person says "kick" three times in a row, that's a 12th rhythm. And from plasmix's post above, it looks like the dwi converter back then went one measure at a time, but if any 12ths or 24ths were found in that measure, the entire measure would choke as well as what came afterwards. See the picture below to see how this plays out.


Tasselfoot also mentioned Domani as being a file that should be fixed in this post.

Fantastic post. Proof positive that it should in fact be done, then!


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