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Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:48 PM

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@Bolth

What did you have in mind when you followed the first DBP voting chain ?

Bolth mannn 05-2-2020 11:48 PM

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DaBackPack: I was leaning DBP scum at the start of the game as his playstyle wasnít really what I was used to from him, he wasnít really trying to push anything and seemed to lack direction. His play since FFA faked a redcheck has been more in line with what Iím used to, and I have no reason or knowledge enough of the setup to disbelieve any claims that have been made. His soft is way too big brain for me, but it is also very very detailed and goes back all the way to d0, so if he is faking, he has definitely put the effort and the planning in, which I guess I canít rule out, DBP is a very capable player.

Hakulyte: Haku was extremely towny early game. This is weird for me as Iíve always struggled to read Haku in past games. I didnít really question it until this phase though with the block. He IS doing his normal strange scumworld lists which are only said, I imagine, to gauge reactions, so Iím still town reading him for the most part, but this is my best choice for under the radar wolf.

JessieBessie: Pretty much always a wolf. Their appearances have always been brief and full of fluff but I noticed her entrance yesterday had a lot of focus on trying to make a MML/DBP scum team a probability, which besides me simply not believing it, would make us doubt their roleblock claims in the following phases, which could potentially be Jessie trying to protect her team mates. Possibly a stretch but thereís been nothing towny from this slot and if she isnít a wolf, I have no idea what this game is.

Ullea/Wolfe: I have struggled to read this slot all game. Ullea was a straight null for me, their points made a lot of sense but also Leeticís catch on Ulleaís post also made a lot of sense. Wolfe has come in strong and been saying a lot of things that make sense, and seems to have put effort in solving. I was quite skeptical of how quick he was to sheep Dusks read on me, and this phase has given me the impression again that he is following people (Leetic, this time) rather than coming out with his own thoughts.

Leetic: Iím a little concerned that Leetic hasnít been NKd even though he was first PR to out, but Iím guessing wolves didnít see him as a threat if he was a 1-shot. I do believe his claim, and therefore am not considering a vote here. Leetic is someone I would have probably tunneled on earlier in the game if there was no PR outing, as his play has been quite convoluted and he always seems like he has more knowledge than he lets on, but this would be a pretty huge tinfoil at this point in the game and is not something Iím interested in pushing.

MixMasterLar: I am a sucker for AtE and his ĎíI forgotíí thing regarding the Roleblocker strengthened his claim for me. If I am wrong about this then I hate myself, but Iím pretty certain MML is exactly who he says he is. I think his progressions have been very natural all game.

Duskfall: Iíve been saying it most of the game but Iím pretty certain Dusk is scum. I thought he was town during memephase, but his refusal to get serious or take part in any sort of active solving since has drastically changed my read on him. His entrance today has also been disgusting, by assuming we have lost. He has seemed disinterested in helping town throughout the game, with a large majority of his posts since getting a little more serious last phase were all to do with mechanics only and his reads were trash and nonexistent.

With everything in mind, I think the team is Duskfall/Jessie/Wolfe and I would also lynch in this order.

I want to vote Dusk.

leetic 05-2-2020 11:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729239)
I've kept watch of the thread because there's specific players I really want to see posting.

e.g: Bolth/Jessie

I have very little power on the claim stuff unless you're looking for a second opinion on what's going on.

I town read FFA over the posterity stuff he did by example near the end of last phase, but truth is that I don't know if he would have done that as both alignments.
Looks like the DBP lynch wasn't necessarily any better either.

So, gl me throwing a 3rd wagon here. It wasn't going to happen and would be weird anyway.

This is a problem I've had with many of your posts, but saying you want to see someone posting more is not a read

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729240)
Don't recall asking about your vote last phase. Why defend it here

I think I'm the only player who called out that DBP/FFA was T/T.

I wanted to explain that real quick, but I guess no one looked that up.

Bolth mannn 05-2-2020 11:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729241)
@Bolth

What did you have in mind when you followed the first DBP voting chain ?



I donít understand the question

leetic 05-2-2020 11:50 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729242)
DaBackPack: I was leaning DBP scum at the start of the game as his playstyle wasnít really what I was used to from him, he wasnít really trying to push anything and seemed to lack direction. His play since FFA faked a redcheck has been more in line with what Iím used to, and I have no reason or knowledge enough of the setup to disbelieve any claims that have been made. His soft is way too big brain for me, but it is also very very detailed and goes back all the way to d0, so if he is faking, he has definitely put the effort and the planning in, which I guess I canít rule out, DBP is a very capable player.

Hakulyte: Haku was extremely towny early game. This is weird for me as Iíve always struggled to read Haku in past games. I didnít really question it until this phase though with the block. He IS doing his normal strange scumworld lists which are only said, I imagine, to gauge reactions, so Iím still town reading him for the most part, but this is my best choice for under the radar wolf.

JessieBessie: Pretty much always a wolf. Their appearances have always been brief and full of fluff but I noticed her entrance yesterday had a lot of focus on trying to make a MML/DBP scum team a probability, which besides me simply not believing it, would make us doubt their roleblock claims in the following phases, which could potentially be Jessie trying to protect her team mates. Possibly a stretch but thereís been nothing towny from this slot and if she isnít a wolf, I have no idea what this game is.

Ullea/Wolfe: I have struggled to read this slot all game. Ullea was a straight null for me, their points made a lot of sense but also Leeticís catch on Ulleaís post also made a lot of sense. Wolfe has come in strong and been saying a lot of things that make sense, and seems to have put effort in solving. I was quite skeptical of how quick he was to sheep Dusks read on me, and this phase has given me the impression again that he is following people (Leetic, this time) rather than coming out with his own thoughts.

Leetic: Iím a little concerned that Leetic hasnít been NKd even though he was first PR to out, but Iím guessing wolves didnít see him as a threat if he was a 1-shot. I do believe his claim, and therefore am not considering a vote here. Leetic is someone I would have probably tunneled on earlier in the game if there was no PR outing, as his play has been quite convoluted and he always seems like he has more knowledge than he lets on, but this would be a pretty huge tinfoil at this point in the game and is not something Iím interested in pushing.

MixMasterLar: I am a sucker for AtE and his ĎíI forgotíí thing regarding the Roleblocker strengthened his claim for me. If I am wrong about this then I hate myself, but Iím pretty certain MML is exactly who he says he is. I think his progressions have been very natural all game.

Duskfall: Iíve been saying it most of the game but Iím pretty certain Dusk is scum. I thought he was town during memephase, but his refusal to get serious or take part in any sort of active solving since has drastically changed my read on him. His entrance today has also been disgusting, by assuming we have lost. He has seemed disinterested in helping town throughout the game, with a large majority of his posts since getting a little more serious last phase were all to do with mechanics only and his reads were trash and nonexistent.

With everything in mind, I think the team is Duskfall/Jessie/Wolfe and I would also lynch in this order.

I want to vote Dusk.

At least half of those reads are really flaky.

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729242)
DaBackPack: I was leaning DBP scum at the start of the game as his playstyle wasnít really what I was used to from him, he wasnít really trying to push anything and seemed to lack direction. His play since FFA faked a redcheck has been more in line with what Iím used to, and I have no reason or knowledge enough of the setup to disbelieve any claims that have been made. His soft is way too big brain for me, but it is also very very detailed and goes back all the way to d0, so if he is faking, he has definitely put the effort and the planning in, which I guess I canít rule out, DBP is a very capable player.

Hakulyte: Haku was extremely towny early game. This is weird for me as Iíve always struggled to read Haku in past games. I didnít really question it until this phase though with the block. He IS doing his normal strange scumworld lists which are only said, I imagine, to gauge reactions, so Iím still town reading him for the most part, but this is my best choice for under the radar wolf.

JessieBessie: Pretty much always a wolf. Their appearances have always been brief and full of fluff but I noticed her entrance yesterday had a lot of focus on trying to make a MML/DBP scum team a probability, which besides me simply not believing it, would make us doubt their roleblock claims in the following phases, which could potentially be Jessie trying to protect her team mates. Possibly a stretch but thereís been nothing towny from this slot and if she isnít a wolf, I have no idea what this game is.

Ullea/Wolfe: I have struggled to read this slot all game. Ullea was a straight null for me, their points made a lot of sense but also Leeticís catch on Ulleaís post also made a lot of sense. Wolfe has come in strong and been saying a lot of things that make sense, and seems to have put effort in solving. I was quite skeptical of how quick he was to sheep Dusks read on me, and this phase has given me the impression again that he is following people (Leetic, this time) rather than coming out with his own thoughts.

Leetic: Iím a little concerned that Leetic hasnít been NKd even though he was first PR to out, but Iím guessing wolves didnít see him as a threat if he was a 1-shot. I do believe his claim, and therefore am not considering a vote here. Leetic is someone I would have probably tunneled on earlier in the game if there was no PR outing, as his play has been quite convoluted and he always seems like he has more knowledge than he lets on, but this would be a pretty huge tinfoil at this point in the game and is not something Iím interested in pushing.

MixMasterLar: I am a sucker for AtE and his ĎíI forgotíí thing regarding the Roleblocker strengthened his claim for me. If I am wrong about this then I hate myself, but Iím pretty certain MML is exactly who he says he is. I think his progressions have been very natural all game.

Duskfall: Iíve been saying it most of the game but Iím pretty certain Dusk is scum. I thought he was town during memephase, but his refusal to get serious or take part in any sort of active solving since has drastically changed my read on him. His entrance today has also been disgusting, by assuming we have lost. He has seemed disinterested in helping town throughout the game, with a large majority of his posts since getting a little more serious last phase were all to do with mechanics only and his reads were trash and nonexistent.

With everything in mind, I think the team is Duskfall/Jessie/Wolfe and I would also lynch in this order.

I want to vote Dusk.

Man, people would have killed for you to do that in previous phases.

(well, I know you did one last phase, but it felt like a joke in comparison)

leetic 05-2-2020 11:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729244)
I think I'm the only player who called out that DBP/FFA was T/T.

I wanted to explain that real quick, but I guess no one looked that up.

Any reasson why you didn't vote at all? You could've easily voted jessie or something

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729245)
I donít understand the question

Remember the L-1 DBP very early in the previous phase ?

I was wondering what you had in mind during the FFA red check part.

Bolth mannn 05-2-2020 11:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729246)
At least half of those reads are really flaky.



I mean Iíll elaborate on any reads you want me to, but this is why I specifically said I wasnít going to post my reads

Too many bs towny plays and mechanics bullshit has really made me unconfident on almost every read Iíve had throughout the game

leetic 05-2-2020 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728840)
Clearly this is T/T and I'd shoot Bolth here because Xiz said so.

Logic says FFA tho.

I assume that this is the post you're referring to, This honestly looks TMI to me, especially with your fatalistic "Logic says FFA tho" comment.

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729248)
Any reasson why you didn't vote at all? You could've easily voted jessie or something

I felt like FFA vs DBP had to be solved in some sort of way because of incoming mylo.
Jessie insta'd right before I could potentially vote. I was likely to vote FFA and be wrong anyway.

It's hard to ignore a claim fight and just be like "hey join my random 3rd wagon pls".

MixMasterLar 05-2-2020 11:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729244)
I think I'm the only player who called out that DBP/FFA was T/T.

I wanted to explain that real quick, but I guess no one looked that up.

Haku I am certain that you also had posts that said all three of us were wolf. What does one of your many tinfoils have to do with you feeling like answering questions no one asked?

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:55 PM

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What screwed me up is how long it took for FFA to rescind his claim.

Past that point I still wasn't sure if I was getting gamed or not.

leetic 05-2-2020 11:55 PM

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I mean, if you truly felt that way, you could've at least tried to do something to chart a different course. You didn't even vote, for crying out loud!

Bolth mannn 05-2-2020 11:55 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729249)
Remember the L-1 DBP very early in the previous phase ?



I was wondering what you had in mind during the FFA red check part.



Oh right, honestly, inexperience I guess

I wasnít even thinking about the possibility for insta when I made the vote, and Iíve also never been in a game where fakeclaiming has been a thing, so my first instinct was to believe it

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729253)
Haku I am certain that you also had posts that said all three of us were wolf. What does one of your many tinfoils have to do with you feeling like answering questions no one asked?

I mean, ok. I won't talk about my own posts.

I don't get what you're going for if you are.

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729255)
I mean, if you truly felt that way, you could've at least tried to do something to chart a different course. You didn't even vote, for crying out loud!

Jessie's vote was insta. It stopped the phase.

Hakulyte 05-2-2020 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729242)
Leetic: Iím a little concerned that Leetic hasnít been NKd even though he was first PR to out, but Iím guessing wolves didnít see him as a threat if he was a 1-shot. I do believe his claim, and therefore am not considering a vote here. Leetic is someone I would have probably tunneled on earlier in the game if there was no PR outing, as his play has been quite convoluted and he always seems like he has more knowledge than he lets on, but this would be a pretty huge tinfoil at this point in the game and is not something Iím interested in pushing.

This is making me want to pair Bolth with Dusk smh.

leetic 05-2-2020 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jessiebessie (Post 4728672)
other reads:
I still think haku is sus. Nothing has really changed my mind about this since I last explained why.

dusk has been UTR previous phases but Iím getting more townie vibes this phase; i appreciate the effort to try to solve the game

Bolth- seems to be coming after dusk and me a lot; perhaps a wolf going after the easy inactive targets?

leetic seems to be trying to game-solve, which i like

It's been hard for me to get a read on shadow because of the slot switch (i should go back and iso shadow tbh- will prob do this rn)

Jessie was certainly hedging throughout much of D3. The problem is all these reads are very softcore in comparison to what was going on in the thread so it would be difficult to tell which of the people she mentioned would be her partners.


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