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gold stinger 06-24-2019 07:05 AM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
That's my 10mins.

See y'all in 9 hours or so

Antori 06-24-2019 09:27 AM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy (Post 4679717)
Wolf read - Dragon
(Shadow’s read)

this convinced me for the time being dragonmegaXX

mellon_collie 06-24-2019 10:39 AM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Alright I'm here and I'm recovered (mostly) from my cottage experience

Won't be to another cottage for two more weeks so let's get em

Good job with getting a wolf in my absence guys :mrgreen: sorry for not being able to be very helpful. And I'm sorry I didn't get to play with you more Shadowgod T_T I guess this means you have to sign up again in the future so we can play properly!

without looking too much in depth, I think everyone who voted for Shadow looks pretty good right now and I don't see myself voting for any of them today. I just don't see a reason for them to do that to their own partner so early in the game so I think MN and gold stinger are good for now

ShyYoshiGuy 06-24-2019 11:26 AM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonmegaXX (Post 4679764)
Also at this point I guess I should be curious about why Shy voted for me. I would like some sort of explanation.

I had said I was gonna base it on inactivity before anyone had posted much. (Albeit, on the wrong thread. These forums are confusing, let’s not dwell on that.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy (Post 4679251)
Confirmation of role received.
Let’s get this game started! Woo!
We should probably start by seeing which people don’t post and go from there.


mellon_collie 06-24-2019 11:48 AM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy (Post 4679783)
I had said I was gonna base it on inactivity before anyone had posted much. (Albeit, on the wrong thread. These forums are confusing, let’s not dwell on that.)

would you mind explaining in more detail why you want to go after people who are inactive?

ShyYoshiGuy 06-24-2019 11:53 AM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
I guess I should vote dragon again because of Shadow’s read.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4679786)
would you mind explaining in more detail why you want to go after people who are inactive?

Well, ‘cuz at the beginning, that’s about the only concrete thing you can go after. Because wolves have a tendency to not post as much to avoid getting caught, right?

mellon_collie 06-24-2019 12:46 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy (Post 4679787)
Well, ‘cuz at the beginning, that’s about the only concrete thing you can go after. Because wolves have a tendency to not post as much to avoid getting caught, right?

That can be true depending on the player. The thing about lynching inactives though is that you don't get as much information for later in the game, and it's also just a pretty big gamble since you don't have much evidence.

It's also usually pretty easy to get momentum going for lynching inactives, so wolves like to use them for mislynches.

Generally I don't really like lynching inactive players at the beginning unless there is some other reason that stacks on. As it gets further on in the game you might have to start going after them, it just doesn't give enough information this early

sanzath 06-24-2019 03:01 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4679774)
tl;dr because I've gotta head out to work in 10mins:

me & sanzath had conversations back & forth in d0 and it took almost like what feels like 20 posts to get to where I was in solve. And while his first few posts were memeing it up about being a wolf, his 4th post in thread is casting a wide communication net followed by a back & forth with shadowgod, and then the 20ish posts. I can definitely see the back & forth posting as an agenda to build post count as a wolf as a solid d0 exercise to not get lynched for inactivity.

With shadowgod dead, the second wolf is basically on damage control with any shade that might get thrown their way with shadowgod aligning themselves with their partner. Fmpov there's a little bit of tell in EoD if it's the case with Sanzath, and the current reads from Sanzath after eod don't sit particularly well with me hence gutvote.

I guess that's one interpretation of the events

There's two things I'm curious about
- what is the "tell in EoD" that you see coming from me being the wolf partner on damage control right now?
- is there any reason my reads don't sit particularly well? Or is it all just gut?

the sun fan 06-24-2019 03:04 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Sanzath (1)- gold stinger
Dragon (2)- Antori, shy

sanzath 06-24-2019 03:10 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
big post but

I feel like the interaction between shadowgod and antori feels kinda manufactured? Like, if they're together in wolfchat, they could have come up with that entire sequence beforehand in an attempt to say "hey let's interact together to draw away suspicion". Idk, it feels fake to me.

Anyone else see it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4679591)
<snipped irrelevant reads since this post has already been quoted a dozen times>

Antori- Probably not a wolf but if he's lurking in the shadows as one, he completely forgot to make his own presence known to all of us which I think is suspect

If I have to vote, then I'm probably going to say Antori because of potential bad play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4679594)
Oh nevermind there he is

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679604)
did antori even explain why he's wolfreading you and shyyoshiguy together? like he just went "here are my wolfreads bye"

@antori explain your reads please?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4679605)
Antori, buddy. The spotlight is all yours, depending on how this goes I might spare you from the guillotine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antori (Post 4679606)
whenever i try to explain my reads people jump on me and now it gave me ptsd.

goldstinger because this isn't his usual town meta i saw him play before, he's alot more"cautious" than i'm used to him.

yoshi because of low effort he'd done.

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4679608)
You know what? You showed effort. You're actually attempting to play the fucking game.

unvote

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4679609)
ShyYoshi Congratulations sir! You've earned a one way trip to the sun!


Antori 06-24-2019 03:22 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
it does seem like that but why would you point it out i thought we were a team

mellon_collie 06-24-2019 03:29 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679795)
big post but

I feel like the interaction between shadowgod and antori feels kinda manufactured? Like, if they're together in wolfchat, they could have come up with that entire sequence beforehand in an attempt to say "hey let's interact together to draw away suspicion". Idk, it feels fake to me.

Anyone else see it?

The bolded part I highly disagree with, I don't think wolves tend to manufacture conversations to that degree in wolfchat.

I could see Shadow trying to help him with talking points etc and then a fake push that's immediately backed away from for some distancing

gold stinger 06-24-2019 03:34 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
My problem with wolf votes on dragonmega this phase is because literally the entire game dragonmega has been playing a game where they do not know what certain things or opinions on plays are, and are doing wolfy things/making bad plays without even realizing it. Even if the argument is "But Shadowgod is also a brand new player and also made bad plays and doesn't know certain things", it doesn't change that dragonmega didn't know what a read was after the flip when Shadowgod did. I feel like if there was some level of confusion on how to read things in the thread, Shadowgod would have at least assisted that much getting their wolf partner on board.

gold stinger 06-24-2019 03:37 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Either that or dragonmega is playing dumbtell: the game instead of TWG.

sanzath 06-24-2019 03:52 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4679798)
The bolded part I highly disagree with, I don't think wolves tend to manufacture conversations to that degree in wolfchat.

I could see Shadow trying to help him with talking points etc and then a fake push that's immediately backed away from for some distancing

that's a good point, the fake push followed by backing off is more what I was getting at then the specific details of how it happened in wolfchat

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4679799)
My problem with wolf votes on dragonmega this phase is because literally the entire game dragonmega has been playing a game where they do not know what certain things or opinions on plays are, and are doing wolfy things/making bad plays without even realizing it. Even if the argument is "But Shadowgod is also a brand new player and also made bad plays and doesn't know certain things", it doesn't change that dragonmega didn't know what a read was after the flip when Shadowgod did. I feel like if there was some level of confusion on how to read things in the thread, Shadowgod would have at least assisted that much getting their wolf partner on board.

I mean my read on dragonmega is almost entirely based on shadowgod's reads list + EoD votes + process of elimination but yeah I see what you're saying

honestly what I'm afraid of right now is that I made what seems like a legitimate case against dragonmega, and then yoshi and antori both voted for him very sheepishly. I could see either one of them putting their vote there for an easy lynch. paranoia's kicking in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

gold stinger 06-24-2019 03:54 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679793)
- is there any reason my reads don't sit particularly well? Or is it all just gut?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4679789)
The thing about lynching inactives though is that you don't get as much information for later in the game, and it's also just a pretty big gamble since you don't have much evidence.

It's also usually pretty easy to get momentum going for lynching inactives, so wolves like to use them for mislynches.

Generally I don't really like lynching inactive players at the beginning unless there is some other reason that stacks on. As it gets further on in the game you might have to start going after them, it just doesn't give enough information this early

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679725)
I'd also say Antori's out of the question, since shadowgod voted him before you

my current feeling, from most wolf to least, is dragon > yoshi > raeko

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679795)
big post but

I feel like the interaction between shadowgod and antori feels kinda manufactured? Like, if they're together in wolfchat, they could have come up with that entire sequence beforehand in an attempt to say "hey let's interact together to draw away suspicion". Idk, it feels fake to me.

Anyone else see it?

specifically this type of approach of trying to solve the game tbh. It has a lot more wolf-hunting than town-finding considering a wolf just died, and a lot of it is towards the hefty amount of inactives.

gold stinger 06-24-2019 04:00 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
your wolf read on yoshi is weak. If you want to consider the scenario of manufactured evidence in Antori's favor, then you have to consider the same scenario possibly being manufactured against Yoshi, and Yoshi didn't even post. I've explained my point on dragonmega, and raeko, while I see it, it's waaaaaay the fuck out there, because the only time I really saw raeko in this thread was during EoD. I think there's a lot more evidence that says the wolf is elsewhere.

gold stinger 06-24-2019 04:01 PM

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sanzath 06-24-2019 04:03 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
all of my wolf reads are weak

sanzath 06-24-2019 04:03 PM

Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
lol nice

I'm not gonna vote you or try to put us in KitB if you're afraid of that

you're just town to me


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