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sanzath 06-23-2019 10:43 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4679716)
hot topic

if you read the raeko read as "thank god raeko is AFK I'd probably get found out in a heartbeat"

and you eliminate yoshi based on that it's a hard null

you get me, you, dragon, and sven.

Sven is dead, I was shadowgod's lynch target,

Following that it's between Sanzath and dragonmega. Either that, or shadowgod truly slipped their wolf read into a null read between antori and shyyoshiguy, but I think that possibility is pretty low considering what I just posted about shadowgod possibly looking for easy lynches EoD.
Honestly, as to Yoshi, I wouldn't put it beyond shadowgod to nullread his partner? Seems like a safe way to go as a wolf when your partner flips wolf and you can say "hey look I always was iffy about them!"

And that seems like an interesting way to interpret his read on raeko? I wouldn't eliminate the possibility that she's wolf either, but her not voting at EoD in a way that saves shadowgod seems like a good look to me

I don't really have you as a possibility for the reason I already said, you and him voting each other as partners would be weird

I'd also say Antori's out of the question, since shadowgod voted him before you

my current feeling, from most wolf to least, is dragon > yoshi > raeko

dragonmegaXX 06-23-2019 10:43 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
I’ll try to make some time to post when I get home from work in 30-40 minutes. In the mean time can someone explain what things like wolf read/town read/ lead means?

The terminology is making it tougher to understand exactly what people are sometimes saying. Or I’m just dumb, which could be very true.

gold stinger 06-23-2019 10:46 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
reads are basically what someone thinks another person's alignment is. There's Town, and there's wolf.

leans mean they are more likely town than they are wolf in that person's read.

reads list means a full list of everyone in the game and where the poster thinks everyone ranks on whether they are town or wolf.

ShyYoshiGuy 06-23-2019 10:47 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679725)
Honestly, as to Yoshi, I wouldn't put it beyond shadowgod to nullread his partner? Seems like a safe way to go as a wolf when your partner flips wolf and you can say "hey look I always was iffy about them!
Eh, fair. Although, their read of me was based on me not doing much and them not knowing me. But sure, I guess that’s not too wrong.

Antori’s a town read too btw I just realized because Shadow voted them.

gold stinger 06-23-2019 10:48 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
So for example if I say I'm wolf-leaning you, it means that I'm thinking that within everything I've thought about regarding the game and your posts, that you are more likely a wolf than a town, to me.

gold stinger 06-23-2019 10:49 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
(I'm not wolf-leaning yet)

sanzath 06-23-2019 10:51 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonmegaXX (Post 4679726)
I’ll try to make some time to post when I get home from work in 30-40 minutes. In the mean time can someone explain what things like wolf read/town read/ lead means?

The terminology is making it tougher to understand exactly what people are sometimes saying. Or I’m just dumb, which could be very true.
To "read" someone is to say what alignment you think that person is. There are different levels of reads - to just "lean" is to weakly think they're that alignment. I think "hard read" is a way to say that you're very certain someone is X alignment

To "null read" someone is to say you don't really know whether they're town or wolf. Sometimes people say they read someone as "null leaning X", so interpret that as "don't know, but more probable to be X than not X"

So like, for example taking my current position:

I think GS and MN are town, so I'm town reading them (pretty hard in fact - it would take something pretty suspicious for me to think either is a wolf)

Antori is more of a town lean - so I'm kinda reading him town, but it would take less than the above two to turn me around on him

Kinda null leaning town on Raeko - I do have reason to think she's town but I want to see more posts from her once she gets back from the cottage

and right now I feel like wolf is between you (dragonmega) and yoshi, so you're my wolf reads (leans I guess?)

sanzath 06-23-2019 10:55 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
I'm still kinda bummed H&H was killed last night, he would have been my third hard town read :(

sanzath 06-23-2019 11:16 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy (Post 4679729)
Eh, fair. Although, their read of me was based on me not doing much and them not knowing me. But sure, I guess that’s not too wrong.

Antori’s a town read too btw I just realized because Shadow voted them.
The thing is, once you know someone is a wolf, you know their reads aren't coming from a place of trying to solve the game, you know it's about furthering their agenda to lynch townies and survive to eventually win the game. So usually, when you're a wolf, you don't read someone based off of some reason, you read someone to further your game plan, then come up with a reason that fits that read.

So basically, the reason he gave to nullread you isn't actually that important to me. I suppose if the reason looked very out of line compared to his previous posts on the matter, then yes that's a red flag. But that's not really the case with any of his reads, I think. (I'd have to check his post history to make certain of this)

I mean from my point of view, it's more likely that shadowgod did a super hard town read on a dragonmega partner than it is he did a null read on either you or raeko, but it could happen.

dragonmegaXX 06-24-2019 12:09 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4679591)
Have a bullshit reads list that I summoned via demonic circle:

Mario- I'm wolf leaning because you've been all over the place and a little aggressive imo (I'm pretty sure I'm the only one thinking that)
Sanzath- More than likely town. +1 for the Haku wisdom you blessed us with
Yoshi- I have no idea who you are which makes it weird, not to mention you were prepared to sling Dragon to the sun for not even posting once. I'm very conflicted about you. Null for now
Antori- Probably not a wolf but if he's lurking in the shadows as one, he completely forgot to make his own presence known to all of us which I think is suspect
Raeko- AFK Raeko is probably beneficial for us newer players so that way she doesn't come swooping in to massacre us all.
Sven- You're town as fuck. You've been really helpful for the newer players and I, for one appreciate it a lot
GS- Dicks. Butts. and Dicks. You're a chaotic towny who would steal from his own villages candy supply.
Dragon- I had you as a wolf who wasn't sure how to react at first, but you opened up to us which made things way better for you. I'm very convinced you're town.


If I have to vote, then I'm probably going to say Antori because of potential bad play.
To be honest, I've been rereading the entire thread this night. This was the first thing to stand out to me, even though Ive seen others quoting it. He did kind of talk me up a bit, and during d0 it didnt really seem to matter much. At the same time, he did have the most votes at this point in the day. Now that he was revealed as a wolf, I think it's much more likely that he wanted to seem more generous to town members, and maybe more neutral/negative towards his other wolf. I think he knew he had a good chance of dying d0, and wanted to make me seem suspicious by being fairly sure of my role.

Still reading through posts, will hopefully post more soon.

dragonmegaXX 06-24-2019 12:10 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
My first goal is to try to clear my name a little, since it seems everyone is thinking Im suspicious. I am trying to look for tells from others though. Trying to read metas is almost impossible for me though, since I've never seen any of you really post anything of substance before this game.

dragonmegaXX 06-24-2019 12:13 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Also this is me just being conspiracy theory as fuck, but I dont think he would have my name listed last in that list, I would imagine most people trying to mix their partner in the middle.

dragonmegaXX 06-24-2019 12:45 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Also at this point I guess I should be curious about why Shy voted for me. I would like some sort of explanation.

dragonmegaXX 06-24-2019 12:51 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Also me posting a lot in general seems probably suspicious in general so heres a pic of me so I can at least be vain

dragonmegaXX 06-24-2019 12:51 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Also Im drunk whoops

dragonmegaXX 06-24-2019 12:52 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
I wasnt at the start of these posts so thats even funnier

Hateandhatred 06-24-2019 03:59 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679641)
Gutvote incoming

h&h

gold stinger 06-24-2019 05:39 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonmegaXX (Post 4679764)
Also at this point I guess I should be curious about why Shy voted for me. I would like some sort of explanation.
I think it's less of a suspicious play at this point and more of a super null d0 play given what's happened.

gold stinger 06-24-2019 05:44 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Gutvote incoming

Sanzath

gold stinger 06-24-2019 06:05 AM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
tl;dr because I've gotta head out to work in 10mins:

me & sanzath had conversations back & forth in d0 and it took almost like what feels like 20 posts to get to where I was in solve. And while his first few posts were memeing it up about being a wolf, his 4th post in thread is casting a wide communication net followed by a back & forth with shadowgod, and then the 20ish posts. I can definitely see the back & forth posting as an agenda to build post count as a wolf as a solid d0 exercise to not get lynched for inactivity.

With shadowgod dead, the second wolf is basically on damage control with any shade that might get thrown their way with shadowgod aligning themselves with their partner. Fmpov there's a little bit of tell in EoD if it's the case with Sanzath, and the current reads from Sanzath after eod don't sit particularly well with me hence gutvote.


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