TWG Turbo XXII - Postgame
 

9 players
6 Vanilla Town
1 Seer with a random greencheck at the start of the game
2 Wolves

Day start. 12-hour phases: days run from 12pm (noon) to 12am (midnight) server time and nights run from midnight to noon.

Phantoms off
Knife in the Box on: tied vote = random.org decides who dies
Insta on: >50% of players all voting the same person ends the day early
Nighttalk off
Out-of-thread chat off
Wolfchat is night only
No-lynch off
No-kill off: if the wolves don't send a kill, random.org picks it
If the seer doesn't send a check, too bad (it doesn't get randomed)

Players
1. DaBackpack - Vanilla Town, killed Night 1
2. Curry and Rice - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 0
3. flashflash account - Wolf, lynched Day 2
4. FreezinIce - Vanilla Town, won at endgame
5. mellonxcollie - Seer, killed Night 3
6. Anti-Pearl - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 1
7. Charu - Vanilla Town, won at endgame
8. roundbox - Vanilla Town, killed Night 2
9. Hakulyte - Wolf, lynched Day 3

Night Actions
N0: mellonxcollie learns Charu is Town

N1: Wolves kill DaBackpack
mellonxcollie learns roundbox is Town

N2: Wolves kill roundbox
mellonxcollie learns flashflash account is Antitown

N3: Wolves kill mellonxcollie

Chats
Wolf Chat (Realm of a Thousand Flashflashes) https://discord.gg/TmHpqyj
Dead Chat https://discord.gg/S7rjBre

rip the activity in this game. wondering if we should do turbos less frequently or something

lynching people off whether they're covered by cop claims is interesting, seems worthwhile when there isn't much else going on

MVP roundbox specifically for the haku = lock wolf thing, as it seemed to get the hammer out of haku to save himself and suddenly the wolves appeared to be owned

not to overshadow pretty good cop play for raeko though; she especially made the roundbox peek super easy to find in case she died MVP is raeko now yay, read the posts below too

imo the best thing about ready player one is still the poster. i watched Logan (2017) recently instead and it made me think of the one Deep Thoughts where jack takes his son to disneyland

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Activity took a nosedive hard.

I don't know how to fix it.

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no way am I MVP here after calling flashflash as always town l0l

good seer play from the raeko!!

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Yeah, props to her keeping cover with my shenanigans!

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gj town u wonned

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Yaaay we won

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i thought you were only saying that because he was double peeked or something

just had everything to do with how you were reading the seer

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raeko MVP

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YAY gg everyone ^_^ that was a good turbo

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i am open to actually changing MVP just the turn in the game is really amusing and powerful to me

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The secret mvp is indheart for the story and thread title

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Gg raeko, if you don't expose flashflash I don't think this game ends well for town

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Roundbox made me reconsider how this setup is played, although I think most wolf teams don't take the bait and just kill raeko. It was a gamble but it paid big

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yeah I was thinking I would beat raeko in a thunderdome pretty easily especially when it turned out our greenchecks were the same, but that didn't happen for some reason

then haku insta'd me when I wasn't even there

good times were had

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also this is probably going to be an example of my typical wolf game moving forward, though I'll be playing better mechanically since I learned from my mistakes

just fyi I 100% would have made the same play as seer since staying alive is the most important thing

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You didn't win the thunderdome because you abandoned seer cover and your claim wasn't believable compared to raeko.

You reaped what you sowed

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I guess it's a good thing you wernt the seer

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no offense but... yeah right lmao

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owned

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The part he didn't expect was that you would be the Seer. Same tbh.

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Also this pretty much but I was trying to be neutral about my explanation.

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"woah we have the same checks" almost never works in a counterclaim fwiw

also, voting haku when you claim to have a red on raeko is a bad idea

you probably did it for ~levels~ or to try and create distance or whatever but its just a bad idea all around because it looks suspicious

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I think the Fatal flaw here is you guys were framing your kills to strengthen your position instead of seer hunting

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I've looked up Raeko's iso after she claimed Seer and I would have never found that.

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nvm found the answer i was looking for.

ehhhh

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In the world where she randomly rip as the Seer N1 or N2, town would have been in a bad spot for knowing what was up with her checks.

That's kind of why I just moved to someone else.

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i think i couldve stood to be more active and involved. Especially first day and last day i phoned it in.

try to fix that in the next game i guess.

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after reading wolfchat properly i can appreciate that the game was alot more fluid than i first thought and you were p much just making the best of a bad situation

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except the this part still confused me considering you said he didnt think raeko was seer:

getting crowded in here - Yesterday at 9:49 AM
if roundbox isn't the seer
raeko probably is
and I win a thunderdome against her
even if she gets a red check on me

???????

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You counterclaimed mellon, said you had a redcheck on her, then proceeded to vote for haku

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I must've misread the situation cause I really thought I was winning that one

also @sunfan I did it because haku was obviously a wolf after EoD shenanigans and it gave town more time to solve me vs raeko

another thing I would've done had I been the seer

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voting for raeko there just doesn't make sense to me at all

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seers claims always are resolved first.

its the mechanically correct play.

If you're town and you choose not to do this, you are actively sabotaging the highest % chance of finding a wolf and playing against your win condition

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she was for sure 'red'

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this is not my opinion, its a fact of twg.

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its not what makes sense to you that matters, its what makes sense to everyone else

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you've just gotta bite the bullet there
it sucks but if you think someone is the seer then you have to kill them
(ps I know you said you never would've found that)

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but to town's point of view isn't haku much more likely to be a wolf than either me or raeko? There's one wolf between the two of us so in a vacuum it's 50%, haku is much higher than that at that point

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Mechanics trump everything, bro, I keep telling you this.

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it is an """""""opinion""""""" but its considered to be the proper play mechanically by just about anyone (perhaps I am being a little persnickety here tho)

people who do theory stuff will say that "there is no such thing as an optimal play" but that this is about as close to one as it gets

@flashflash, lets go to the world where you're real and raeko is fake. You have a red check on raeko, and no other red checks. The other checks do not matter. You should always vote for no one other than raeko that day and you should spend every waking moment you have in the thread trying to convince people that they should vote for raeko.

Why?

Because in this setup, the seer checks are true. You have mechanical information that cannot be false that says that raeko is a wolf. Even if all of your other greenchecks are dead and even if someone else says "lynch me I am a wolf" 100x in a row, you should vote for raeko and attempt to convince everyone else that they should do the same.

Based on the information you have, you essentially KNOW that raeko is a wolf. The idiot spamming "lynch me I am a wolf" is "only" a wolf 999 times out of 1,000. Raeko is a wolf, from your perspective, 1000 times out of 1000 (discounting mod errors of course).

Does this make sense?

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this is what I said but way shorter.

mechanics are greater than reads, period.

even though other people have a different perspective than you, if you claim to have mechanical info, they basically have to account for that and allow it to alter their perspective or they're straight out playing the game, and I mean whatever word is slightly less strong than this because I don't really have a good one, "incorrectly."

if you are a role, or are claiming to be, people will understand this and will factor the new information into their decision.

a red check is a lynch I will take 1,000 times out of 1,000 over someone I am so convinced is a wolf that I would be willing to put money on it, no matter how sure I am.

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obviously, if you're fake in the scenario from 2 posts ago of mine, its still the same, just in the premise you're repping as the seer instead of actually being the seer, but the two should be played as similarly as possible rwt what checks you have and have claimed otherwise it is likely that you will be seen through

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it makes sense up to the point where I need to convince everyone they vote for raeko
in a theoretical world where I'm vanilla town I'd rather vote for haku because it gives me more time to examine the thunderdome

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...No, as soon as I saw mellon red check you and you red check mellon.

Instantly I didn't ever wink an eye at Haku in terms of voting.

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thesunfan explained it nice and easy.

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that should be put in a wiki somewhere on optimal twg play

gj sunfan

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then if you're examing the thunderdome you might as well not vote at all
that gives you equal time

a vote for haku there is virtually useless

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I've been thinking about making videos about twg but I prolly never will.

I think there are certainly people who can explain mechanics from a logical perspective better than I can

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If you have a soothing voice, use a bunch of graphic, and throw in a skit or two explaining the play in however way you like (purely informational or make this comical). You'd be guuchi my duuuuuude.

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Good game everyone!

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i'd use notepad and fuckin paint and I don't think many people find my voice enjoyable

sounds like I hit all three

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hey, thanks for playing! hope it wasn't too terrible here

i recorded a video once with commentary and listened back to it and went "oh god"

i sound way more phlegmy to the ears than i do just in my own head. i used to do broadcasting in high school too so that makes me feel for what i was inflicting on people back then

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Time to order a D-People-E-O.

Does this actually exist

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this is essentially what you'd be buying:

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so whens the next game
and did I send my game to CK

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can I play

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only if u got to diamond
EDIT: ok ok fine plat

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so whens the next game

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^^^

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ck should have enough submissions now
unless she somehow doesn't get to it by monday, i'll let her do it
otherwise I'd take over taking submissions

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For the interest of everyone hosting, just add my game to the voting thread until it is picked, thank you.

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I'm sure it's monday somewhere

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I will be putting signups up tomorrow afternoon

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send me games in the meantime