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Hakulyte 02-27-2016 11:17 AM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
storn, do you want to get an additional vote on whoever you want?

Hakulyte 02-27-2016 11:33 AM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
10min until my vote is locked and that I'm not posting until after EoD.

Hakulyte 02-27-2016 11:43 AM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Well, time's up. 'later

TWG King Dedede 02-27-2016 01:22 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SKG_Scintill (Post 4411678)
I'll take that risk

I was going to sheep rzr, but I think this tone is far enough outside the usually wolf range to not lynch SKG today.

I think AragakiAyase is a better bet.

thesunfan 02-27-2016 01:54 PM

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Xiz 02-27-2016 02:41 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Dedede, can I get a reads list from ya

Xiz 02-27-2016 02:52 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4411680)
Sigh...

Alright, don't know exactly how much good this will do, but... considering the events that have happened and the explanation that backpack gave as well as Xiz did coming off.

I really have no idea if it's two wolves working with each other or...

I just don't know, and I'm really mad about it.

And it's because Botchi READ DPB TOWN AND THEN CLAIMED LAST MINUTE

Like, uuuuuuuuuugh

I still don't see a world where DBP is scum here. Like, the biggest tell was at the end of d2 when he wanted me to claim, even though I wasn't a pr. He thought botchi was fake and thought I was real. Like there were a bunch of those posts in bold at the end of the day where he was screaming at me wondering why I wasn't claiming. In what world would a wolf keep pushing for (what he thought) the real psychic to out when he could have just killed him in the night, especially when the doctor's save was used?

The only possible way I see it is if he is the SK. That is a world. But he acted so genuine in regards to helping town that I really, really don't see it.

Xiz 02-27-2016 02:54 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411733)
In what world would a wolf keep pushing for (what he thought) the real psychic to out when he could have just killed him in the night, especially when the doctor's save was used?

^ This might not have made sense. What I mean is that a wolf would kinda just sit back in this situation instead of pushing, no?

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 02:56 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4411690)
1. He's dead and Mafia killed him. So, botchi was obligatory Town.
2. The 5 votes at that point:



Charu hard claimed Vanilla Town.
YoshL is rip.
Xiz is like Town by association with DBP.
DBP is pmuch untouchable today imo.
AA is Null/Town because of mostly Day 1 Zenith.

The only potential wolf here for me is you rofl..

why does there have to be a wolf on botchi's wagon at that point? he was acting pretty strangely which is why it started in the first place

as for why botchi read dbp town maybe it was because dbp has been playing his town meta. alternatively if he recognized dbp was softing maybe he townread him for that

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 02:56 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TWG King Dedede (Post 4411720)
I was going to sheep rzr, but I think this tone is far enough outside the usually wolf range to not lynch SKG today.

I think AragakiAyase is a better bet.

ok

why

storn42 02-27-2016 02:57 PM

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i still dont understand how you people think DBP is a woof.... like xiz said, he is a blatent fucking towny.... why do people even have votes on him?!?!

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 02:58 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411734)
^ This might not have made sense. What I mean is that a wolf would kinda just sit back in this situation instead of pushing, no?

I see where you're coming from and I think all of dbp's softing to draw a kill makes it highly likely that he's town. I don't see an SK softing because that means they'll be on the wolves list which doesn't help, and I don't see a wolf softing because that means the SK may target them as well. The only way that I could see it is if DBP were setting up for a fakeclaim but that doesn't seem like what he was going for

Xiz 02-27-2016 02:58 PM

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hi storn. give me a reads list as well. Even if it's just colors.

storn42 02-27-2016 02:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TWG King Dedede (Post 4411720)
I was going to sheep rzr, but I think this tone is far enough outside the usually wolf range to not lynch SKG today.

I think AragakiAyase is a better bet.

gut read dedede + SKG woof team

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 02:59 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411736)
ok

why

I think you threw shade on me for zenith's play but haven't actually come up with anything concrete, breadcrumbing much?

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:00 PM

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also what do we do about the inactives? namely reuben

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:00 PM

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I'm really having trouble finding scum this game

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:01 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411738)
The only way that I could see it is if DBP were setting up for a fakeclaim but that doesn't seem like what he was going for

AA

That's exactly what he was doing. We have said it a bunch of times. It was DBP's and my exact discussion today. He was setting up a fake-claim to take the fall for hakulyte and I.

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:02 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411744)
to take the fall for hakulyte and I.

(At the time, when he thought I was PR)

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:02 PM

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Like please explain yourself here because that was suspicious as fuck

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411744)
AA

That's exactly what he was doing. We have said it a bunch of times. It was DBP's and my exact discussion today. He was setting up a fake-claim to take the fall for hakulyte and I.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411746)
Like please explain yourself here because that was suspicious as fuck

lmfao what was suspicious about it? I must have missed where he was actually going to fakeclaim because I thought he was just softing and going to leave it at that. I saw the fake softing part but thought that was it so get off

storn42 02-27-2016 03:06 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411739)
hi storn. give me a reads list as well. Even if it's just colors.

dont got much right now... still have to read through all 2000 posts yet.

dbp is towny
haku is a PR
i have a slight town lean on you
and that gut read, and thats it really.

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:06 PM

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did you think I was just trying to shoot for town points

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:08 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411741)
I think you threw shade on me for zenith's play but haven't actually come up with anything concrete, breadcrumbing much?

you have an awkward reaction to pressure and the data point thing regarding zenith/rzr and that's it

storn42 02-27-2016 03:08 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411749)
did you think I was just trying to shoot for town points

hmmmm........... got shooting on the mind?

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:09 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4411751)
hmmmm........... got shooting on the mind?

that's cute

and I just reread the dbp/xiz dialogue and nowhere do I actually see that he was going to fakeclaim, I just see covering

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:11 PM

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also legitimately fakeclaiming doesn't seem like it'd help? because if I were the PR whose role was being fakeclaimed I might cc them

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:11 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411747)
lmfao what was suspicious about it? I must have missed where he was actually going to fakeclaim because I thought he was just softing and going to leave it at that. I saw the fake softing part but thought that was it so get off

It's weird how you missed something that took up a good 3 pages when DBP and I were going back and forth today discussing both of our logic over the past 2 days. It's like you didn't even read those posts.


Also, this was DBP end of D2:
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411045)
WHY DID YOU COME OUT FUCK DUDE
i was trying to cover you dude


Xiz 02-27-2016 03:12 PM

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oh wait. I think I see the mixup.

Fakeclaiming =/= covering for you. I was thinking fakeclaiming as town to cover for blue god damn it

Charu 02-27-2016 03:14 PM

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This game is hard

fontisian 02-27-2016 03:14 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411730)
Dedede, can I get a reads list from ya

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWG King Dedede (Post 4411485)
Came back, kept reading.

Here, have a rainbow:
fontisian
Hakulyte
Rzr
Charu
Xiz

DaBackpack
SKG Scintill
reuben tate
Red Blaster

cedolad
AragakiAyase


I'm town. I believed Haku claimed vig? I liked Ryr logic at the beginning of Day 1 and his conviction today. Charu's stuff about betrayal felt a bit over the top, but the line "I want him to burn" solidified it as real in my mind. I didn't like DBP's entrance today, but I really liked the way he and Xiz just interacted. I've been in similar situations and I get how confusing softing can be.

I have no read on Scintill or reuben tate, but reuben tate is below the mod line for post count and is therefore scummy.

Cedolad had a habit of imitating other players as they came into the game thread Day 1, likely as an attempt to fit in and assuage his own nervousness. I find this trait to be more common in mafia. Finally, I think rzr's point in post 86 actually makes Zenith more likely to be scum. It indicates he probably doesn't consider N0 kills particularly valuable for information purposes, yet decided to analyze only that anyway. Zennith's reaction to pressure was also pretty awkward.

My reads haven't changed much, as I'm busy visiting friends over the weekend.

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:22 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SKG_Scintill (Post 4411675)
wtf rzr, why would you kill people for being bad towns?
we're looking for wolves

Wait, how do you know they are town

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:22 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
SKG

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:24 PM

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*knowing reuben is town

storn42 02-27-2016 03:26 PM

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is it bad that i really want to pocket xiz here?

storn42 02-27-2016 03:29 PM

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warning: Incoming storn logic asdsad

storn42 02-27-2016 03:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4411764)
warning: Incoming storn logic asdsad

ignore this, im derping.

Xiz 02-27-2016 03:35 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4411763)
is it bad that i really want to pocket xiz here?

I'm going to assume you don't know what pocketing means, or you are making fun of me.

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 03:42 PM

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Morning

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 03:47 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
I really hate no cardflips

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 03:52 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411759)
Wait, how do you know they are town

He's talking about himself -- calling himself a bad towni think

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 03:53 PM

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My gut is telling me red blaster is a hit here

Xiz 02-27-2016 04:02 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SKG_Scintill (Post 4411675)
wtf rzr, why would you kill people for being bad towns?

^ plural

fontisian 02-27-2016 04:25 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411741)
I think you threw shade on me for zenith's play but haven't actually come up with anything concrete, breadcrumbing much?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411742)
also what do we do about the inactives? namely reuben

Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411743)
I'm really having trouble finding scum this game

So, your thought process through these three posts is:
1."fonti is pushing on me for vague reasons, probably mafia."
2."Let's not focus on me or fonti, let's look at the (easily lynched) inactive."
3."I don't have any mafia."

What?

fontisian 02-27-2016 04:26 PM

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I really think AA needs to die. That thought process is so fake it burns.

fontisian 02-27-2016 04:35 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Man, SKG has all this sketch vote placement.

storn42 02-27-2016 04:42 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4411740)
gut read dedede + SKG woof team

add to this a gut of AA sk

reuben_tate 02-27-2016 04:59 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Welp, I'm here but I don't know how to help...I'm so behind on the thread that I feel like it's hopeless at this point to start reading. Being modkilled for inactivity though is not beneficial to my alignment so idk. Wat do?

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 05:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by reuben_tate (Post 4411779)
Welp, I'm here but I don't know how to help...I'm so behind on the thread that I feel like it's hopeless at this point to start reading. Being modkilled for inactivity though is not beneficial to my alignment so idk. Wat do?

Read the thread

fontisian 02-27-2016 05:10 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Triage. Focus on vote counts and postcounts (which are easy metrics), important events like end of days, and keeping up with current posts.

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 05:59 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411774)
So, your thought process through these three posts is:
1."fonti is pushing on me for vague reasons, probably mafia."
2."Let's not focus on me or fonti, let's look at the (easily lynched) inactive."
3."I don't have any mafia."

What?

how is that a thought process? Those are 3 independent thoughts and I'm not sure why you're trying to make it seem like they were related

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4411777)
add to this a gut of AA sk

LOL

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:01 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
fontisian you're cherrypicking

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411793)
how is that a thought process? Those are 3 independent thoughts and I'm not sure why you're trying to make it seem like they were related

They were literally three posts over the course of a minute. What.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411795)
fontisian you're cherrypicking

I quoted three entire posts. What context is missing? Whaaat.

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:06 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Like, when I'm thinking about the game, how many scum suspects I have, and who I think is scum, at the same time, those thoughts are generally related.

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:07 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411796)
They were literally three posts over the course of a minute. What.


I quoted three entire posts. What context is missing? Whaaat.

I was just listing out random thoughts

you quoted three entire posts as if they were all related and tried to twist them to make me seem bad, that's the definition of cherrypicking

I think the way you pushed on me earlier was scummy but I think V's play earlier was somewhat towny so I'm not sure where to place you

It's not that I don't have any mafia, I'm just having trouble finding scum because I don't have any strong leads like I normally do (see what I mean by twisting?)

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:07 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411797)
Like, when I'm thinking about the game, how many scum suspects I have, and who I think is scum, at the same time, those thoughts are generally related.

good, good, project your mindset onto me

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411799)
good, good, project your mindset onto me

You ... don't connect thoughts about the game?

"Rueben or Fonti might be mafia" and "I don't have many mafia" are thoughts about the same basic things, no?

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:10 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411800)
You ... don't connect thoughts about the game?

"Rueben or Fonti might be mafia" and "I don't have many mafia" are thoughts about the same basic things, no?

I do but I'm saying you're connecting thoughts that weren't related

please realize that I'm playing this game during my school semester and although it may be the weekend I'm often studying while playing

and again you're misinterpreting, read my above post on my thoughts on your slot, I pinged reuben out because he's a bad data point

having trouble finding scum =/= not having mafia, again read my above post

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:11 PM

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you're deliberately ignoring what I'm posting to try and push a nonexistent point

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:11 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411798)
I was just listing out random thoughts

you quoted three entire posts as if they were all related and tried to twist them to make me seem bad, that's the definition of cherrypicking

I think the way you pushed on me earlier was scummy but I think V's play earlier was somewhat towny so I'm not sure where to place you

It's not that I don't have any mafia, I'm just having trouble finding scum because I don't have any strong leads like I normally do (see what I mean by twisting?)

How are they not related? And how did I twist them?

Cherry picking is the act of taking things out of context. Where did I do this?

Why was the way I pushed on you scummy? Why was V towny?

How on earth can you have mafia and have trouble finding any at the same time?

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411801)
I do but I'm saying you're connecting thoughts that weren't related

please realize that I'm playing this game during my school semester and although it may be the weekend I'm often studying while playing

and again you're misinterpreting, read my above post on my thoughts on your slot, I pinged reuben out because he's a bad data point

having trouble finding scum =/= not having mafia, again read my above post

Ok, so you're saying that the thoughts weren't connected because you're busy? I don't see how that applies, because all three posts were made within a minute of each other. That's just about enough time to type them up and hit post.

I really need to understand how one can have mafia and have trouble finding them at the same time, because I don't follow at all.

I think you're resorting to meaningless words that sound like they discredit my push instead of actually addressing my problem. :/

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411803)
How are they not related? And how did I twist them?

Cherry picking is the act of taking things out of context. Where did I do this?

Why was the way I pushed on you scummy? Why was V towny?

How on earth can you have mafia and have trouble finding any at the same time?

they are not related because: I noticed you had thrown a vote on me when you started posting and pushing on me again and I responded to that

I pinged out an inactive that I had just noticed

and then I realized that I don't have any strong suspicions

You interpret that as: I think fontisian is mafia

I think reuben is also mafia but let's redirect on to him

and I don't have any mafia

all of which I have said are not what I was thinking. so you've twisted all of my posts

the way you're pushing on me scummy was because originally it seemed like you just threw out some random points as a reason to vote me, aka post 86 or something and a reaction to pressure. given that you yourself have said you don't know any of us I'll say for you that zenith always reacts poorly to pressure regardless of alignment and the data point thing is weak. V didn't post much but the way he was trying to throw out reads regardless of time restrictions and burst posting on short observations made it seem like he was being really honest. And now that you're still pushing on me you've ignored posts I've made (and am having to reiterate now) and you're twisting and cherrypicking my posts

I can have mafia because I have weak suspicions/leans on certain people but I can still have trouble finding them because I don't have any strong "I think this person's a mafia" feeling

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411804)
Ok, so you're saying that the thoughts weren't connected because you're busy? I don't see how that applies, because all three posts were made within a minute of each other. That's just about enough time to type them up and hit post.

I really need to understand how one can have mafia and have trouble finding them at the same time, because I don't follow at all.

I think you're resorting to meaningless words that sound like they discredit my push instead of actually addressing my problem. :/

they were 3 observations that were unrelated

I answered your question about how I can have mafia and have trouble finding them just now

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:19 PM

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my thought process is more likely to be scattered when I'm doing something else (studying) so I'm more likely to throw out random observations than a connected train of thought, especially when I'm not focusing strongly on anything at a particular time

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:20 PM

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compare it to now when I'm arguing against you

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:23 PM

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 
oh cool he left


k

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411806)
they are not related because: I noticed you had thrown a vote on me when you started posting and pushing on me again and I responded to that

I pinged out an inactive that I had just noticed

and then I realized that I don't have any strong suspicions

You interpret that as: I think fontisian is mafia

I think reuben is also mafia but let's redirect on to him

and I don't have any mafia

Ok, this makes more sense. So, they are related, but there's a coherent thought process behind them. I still think it's a little off, but not as much as I originally thought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411806)
all of which I have said are not what I was thinking. so you've twisted all of my posts

the way you're pushing on me scummy was because originally it seemed like you just threw out some random points as a reason to vote me, aka post 86 or something and a reaction to pressure. given that you yourself have said you don't know any of us I'll say for you that zenith always reacts poorly to pressure regardless of alignment and the data point thing is weak. V didn't post much but the way he was trying to throw out reads regardless of time restrictions and burst posting on short observations made it seem like he was being really honest. And now that you're still pushing on me you've ignored posts I've made (and am having to reiterate now) and you're twisting and cherrypicking my posts

I can have mafia because I have weak suspicions/leans on certain people but I can still have trouble finding them because I don't have any strong "I think this person's a mafia" feeling

...

You keep using these words ("cherry picking," "twisting") like they exonerate you, when in reality it's a way of casting doubt without making a true argument. Perhaps that's your normal style, but it's unhelpful.

I can't take your word for it on Zenith, as you are biased in his favor. Could someone else confirm that Zenith always reacts poorly to pressure?

I pointed out rzr's post 86, as it had some logic I disagreed with, but that I believe was given in good faith, and I wanted to explain my disagree. Specifically, I think Zenith's start was scummy because he tried to analyze something that he previous stated was pointless instead of all the content already in thread. It seems like he was trying to fake content to get townread, even though he didn't believe in it.

I still think you're mafia, but I'm not as tunneled in as I was on it prior to that last post.

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411660)
That whole him trying to "cover" our blues really left a bad taste in my mouth..especially so given he said "I WAS COVERING FOR YOU" to two different people. Plus the fact that both of our pr's ended up claiming makes it look like he was role hunting. He also mislead town all throughout D2 with his false claim and false info he offered up which doesn't really garner him very many town points in my book. I've been skeptical of his claim since I saw it in like mid D2 and I expressed distrust in him leading up to eod so yeah.

I think he's very likely not town aligned.

whoa hold the phone there

I was only covering for Xiz here --- I knew Haku was a medic so I tried to divert attention off of him, but I only was softing as psychic.

You thinking that because the PRs claimed, I was rolehunting is stupid as fuck if you're town and just opportunistic if you're antitown

riddle me this Red Blaster, how are the two occurences connected at all?

if I was the serial killer, why would I literally paint a target on my back for the wolf nightkill?

which would leave me as a mafia member, which I would like to see you try to pin on me, since I've been one of the most active scumhunters in this game so far

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:27 PM

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not touching charu or dabackpack today

slight town lean on xiz/red blaster

I'm sitting null on rzr, cause he promised big things but now IRL seems to be getting in the way. his tone has been towny but I really wanted to see what he had to say and meh

fontisian is climbing up the scum ladder the more he ignores me and continues trying to mislynch me

SKG still hasn't done shit

same with reuben

storn's tone seems ok but i've misread him the past few games and I had no read on cedolad

I'd be ok with killing storn, reuben, skg today, maaaaaaybe fontisian but that's dependent on what he continues to post

I don't think I missed anyone

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:27 PM

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k I like fontisian's last post

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 06:27 PM

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and your apparent refusal to accept that I was actually protecting a blue (in my mind) twice in the same phase leads me to suspect that you are going for "he lied, ergo I am justified in sounding suspicious of him" which is incredibly lazy

and you know what else is incredibly lazy? going after AA right now "just because Zenith did some weird things"

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:28 PM

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I think if someone tried to explain zenith's meta it would help

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411818)
I think if someone tried to explain zenith's meta it would help

he gets mad

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411817)
and you know what else is incredibly lazy? going after AA right now "just because Zenith did some weird things"

*rolls eyes*

Because Zenith's alignment has nothing to do with AAs.

fontisian 02-27-2016 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411819)
he gets mad

A little more detail, please.

AragakiAyase 02-27-2016 06:30 PM

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also where did zenith say it was pointless to analyze the kill? was it in a previous game?

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411820)
*rolls eyes*

Because Zenith's alignment has nothing to do with AAs.

it absolutely does

but iirc he's not even really considering AA's behavior here, which is lazy if he's "REALLY TRYING TO FIND THE TRUTH"

I will need to check that last point again

DaBackpack 02-27-2016 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411821)
A little more detail, please.

I was being facetious

that's all I really know about Zenith, he's been changing a lot

Charu 02-27-2016 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411819)
he gets mad

Really mad


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