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there is only a "oh no jessie didnt post at all its a shame we couldnt read them" play Am i kinda soft defending jessie now btw? yes because dbp is just clearly a better lyncha nd jessie is a counter wagon to the 1v1 with scum in it who is just obviously dbp |
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Going with my gut. |
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Tbf this is probably my fault for not playing earlier, I do think when town really needed me today though I have stepped up and done my best, I have handed you a wolf on a plate all you have to do is put the final bullet in it
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People are still trying to divert from jessie to a 1v1. People say they're willing to vote her, but when push comes to shove they don't.
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5/4 @ 19:00 00:59 = GOOD 00:00 = BAD ============== Duskfall [2] DaBackpack, Bolth mannn jessiebessie [2] MixMasterLar, leetic DaBackpack [1] Duskfall |
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Why are people voting outside the 1v1 vote dbp fml
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see you all in postgame |
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I do like that it’s a mostly confirmed town leading the Jessie lynch
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@MML fingers crossed bud MML and leetic are both on this, If you're town, come consolidate the wagon. |
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5/4 @ 19:00 00:59 = GOOD 00:00 = BAD ============== jessiebessie [3] MixMasterLar, leetic, ShadoWolfe Duskfall [2] DaBackpack, Bolth mannn DaBackpack [1] Duskfall |
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Leetic vote in the cross, there is scum in me and dbp
You don't have a confident read on jessie, even if they are scum it is p much a coinflip no one can actually read this is a policy lynch In the 1v1 you can weigh up your options better and know one of us is scum, and that if you can read one of us correctly you can hit through, by either finding me as town or finding dbp as scum |
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Well I tried my best friends
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Wait- no. That might work.
Jessie |
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vote for dusk ffs
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duskfall if everyone else get to go with their gut. So do I. I’m doing this to save town.
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insta.
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stop posting
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5/4 @ 19:00 00:59 = GOOD 00:00 = BAD ============== jessiebessie [5] MixMasterLar, leetic, ShadoWolfe, Hakulyte, Duskfall Duskfall [3] DaBackpack, Bolth mannn, jessiebessie |
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jessiebessie has been lynched. they were 1-shot Mafia Role Cop
welcome to night 4. it will end on Tuesday, May 5th at 7:00 PM Server Time |
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day phases will be 24 hours long from this point forward
night continues as normal |
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in the night...
MixMasterLar died. they were Town Roleblocker it is now day 4. it will end on Wednesday, May 6th at 7:00 PM once again day phases are 24 hours starting from this phase you may now post |
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Dbp's claim is impossible in a setup with mafia 1 shot roleblock
Also the whole scum team just outted voting me yesterday p sure |
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1 shot rolecop sorry*
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Game over after DBP/Bolth ?
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DBP
99 percent bolth third but dbp is outted second |
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Setup is VCBTTTT because 1-shot mafia cop.
DBP wolf 100%. (?) |
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As far as I am concerned, DBP is outed scum. That just leaves the last one. Bolth or Haku I wonder
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I checked for equity with DBP on Bolth by rereading the thread and it seems to fit as well.
Feels like FG/Xiz were on the right track all along. |
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Technically I suppose it's possibly dbp is town in a world where leetic is scum, but dbp is just scum here |
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I'll afk for like 1 hour here because there's a birthday going on.
I'll be here all night after most likely. |
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Are you guys the type of site that hammers outted scum or drags it out?
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Oh wait it's only 24 hour day nvm that answers my question
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Well, I feel mighty stupid voting on a wolf wagon yesterday. It's good news for town though, I honestly thought the game was done for. Guys, why would all scum out themselves like that, and why would none of them jump on jessie, the easiest bus ever?
I know I haven't done the most work out of anyone all game, but I think its the worst time to get cocky and assume the game is figured out. I'm not scum. It is extremely unlikely Dusk is scum with DbP after yesterday, so I'm taking him off the table. (If he actually is scum then mvp for wolf team theatre), and I'm obviously taking Leetic off the table So Shadowe or Haku is our last wolf. At this point I don't really know who has more equity with Jessie and Dbp. I think both players could have equity with anyone in the game, which makes it a bit more difficult. I'm gonna Iso them both over the course of this phase and hopefully have a better lead. |
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I don't think Dusk/DBP is a thing here so that leaves Haku and Bolth.
Despite Haku's weird 180 on dusk yesterday, I think the third has to be bolth, mainly thru PoE on yesterday's EoD. Yesterday was definitely mylo, meaning if wolves had won the mislynch, they would block and kill MML and win the game in one swoop. That means that, if you're a powerwolf (which DBP is), you get your team in line and force that mislynch. I don't see a world where DBP commits that hard to saving Jess, only for Haku to abandon ship and bus, especially if there's an easy alternative with town!bolth already on the wolf wagon and Duskfall unaccounted for (he had yet to vote jessie). Without Duskfall's switch, Haku voting Dusk would mean wolves win the lynch. With Dusk's switch, it's still KitB for a potential wolf win. Basically, bolth is *always* the partner here unless Haku specifically and deliberately abandoned ship, ignored DBP (who would have been pleading with him to keep the powerwolf ship alive), and did his own thing without regard for consequence. As funny as that sounds, I don't think it's true. |
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It's mostly a question of if you guys want to debate about wolf #3, but I think this is starting to be clear enough. |
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At this point, Jessie as a wolf jumps on duskfall , meaning it’s 3/3 Duskfall is ALWAYS gonna self pres here so that leads to 4/3 Hakus vote would have caused a kitb at most, not a dusk lynch A good sacrifice for haku to make to clear his name, cause as of that post, a dusk lynch was never happening unless one of the wolves was already on the Jessie wagon and switched last minute |
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Whether haku moved there to clear his name once he realises a dusk lynch was happening or whether wolves had Wolfe already on the Jessie wagon ready to jump over if the chance for insta came up is what I’m deciding between
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Never happening*
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It is the correct play for wolves in mylo to stack the town player and pressure a few town players to take the wrong decision. I think wolves didn't knew what to do and ended up staying on Dusk because moving could have been weird after. Meanwhile, both town PRs voted Jessie so, the rest of towns felt like they had no choice, but to follow MML/Leetic. Your Duskfall vote felt very very grounded compared to the others. |
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To your defense, Shado's game looks annoyingly flawless and perfect.
It seems like he quickly get the right calls on everything and vote at the right place. It worries me. |
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I'll vote DBP now because next phase is still 24 hours and we can even get an additional 24 hours if we no lynch into a F3.
I'm pretty sure that's more than enough time. I don't like overthinking too much because it usually does me more bad than good. insta is 4. |
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If your schedule is terrible tomorrow, we can extend this phase too.
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Definitely, my concern is that it’s just as correct to wait for towns to make that wrong decision and then stack up to insta afterwards. Keeping one or two wolves off the wagon allows for more control over the mislynch. Obviously, yesterday didn’t go in the wolves favour, but whatever has happened, whether it was you realising a dusk lynch wasn’t happening or Wolfe not needing to swap over last minute to cause an insta, has kept their last wolf a lot safer and has set me up for mislynch. I think it was pretty obvious that I wanted to and was going to vote for dusk. I think wolves took advantage of that. There was no need for all 3 to stack |
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It's a Bolth vs ShadoWolfe. I'm fairly confident everyone else is town tho. |
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welp. |
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Just a bit dejected, I feel like I’ve been played the entire game You being scum makes the most sense to me based on the two possibilities I’m stuck between, but I’m townreading your posts a lot more than Wolfe’s |
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Duskfall also felt like it was you as well. There's even older posts where FG/Xiz were interested into voting you. Your entrance mini wall ironically links you to DBP with the vote even if random. You have a lot of posts centered around DBP in a similar fashion as jessie. Looks like your votes were D1 -> leetic (with me) D2 -> Xiz (with Shadow and me) D3 -> Duskfall (alone) D4 -> Duskfall (alone with 2 wolves) Not your best game if town. |
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I'll try to evaluate Shado/Ulli.
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Wolfe wasn’t actually really on my radar until he got all giddy about dusks read on me, which something was really off about , I’ll go back and find the post gimme like 20 I’m not home, but yea it felt like he was looking for a reason to jump on a Bolth wagon and he found it in that post Not my best game, no, i struggled with the mechanical inconsistencies and let it effect my reads and confidence levels, and when the Xiz and ffa things happened, I couldn’t really think about anything else out until they were sorted in my head |
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For Wolfe to jump in after this interaction and say ''I was especially happy with your reads Dusk cause that bolth read is really solid'' really made me question wolfe's motives. You're right, Haku, that all his other posts seem very carefully crafted, safe, and ''perfect''. Wolfe's vote at EoD is also prime safety vote, Jessie was an easy and safe bus and it would have been very easy to swing to Dusk if the opportunity arose. |
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I played another very long game where I loss to a wolf ShadoWolfe before in a F3 and it's because I kept failing to see anything about his plays.
Townies tend to do things that could be considered mistakes, but that aren't necessarily real ones. e.g: "omg MML forgot his check as a Roleblocker, he's clearly a disorganized wolf 111 etc.". If you're wolfing and you already know how everything unfold, it's easy to just say what everyone wants to hear and like be constantly at the right place at the right time. At same time, I kind of hate scum reading people over this because look at your first game. I literally went like "ah this is too good to be true" and got on a stupid crusade against you. Now you display something that looks more disorganized and I'm not even sure if it's you downgrading your game or if the game was simply so chaotic that it was hard to get a feel for it. tl;dr: you're tricky to read, but I might be more likely to figure out your alignment than Shado's. |
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I'm kind of curious here what was the intention in terms of solving. It feels like pure commentary which is interesting, but also vaguely going anywhere. |
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5/6 @ 19:00 00:59 = GOOD 00:00 = BAD ============== DaBackpack [2] Duskfall, Hakulyte |
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I'm trying to reconstruct Shado's game slowly and I need to reread parts to remember parts of what happened if it wasn't my main focus during the game.
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No seriously, I have a really hard time to picture you vote wolf DBP here to invite town to L-1 your hypothetical wolf partner.
That might be a potential hindsight. |
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Please revisit this world. Also, unvote because clearly I'm lazy and need 24 hours to read 50 posts and comprehend them. |
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These tinfoil reads on me are honestly bad. Cherrypicking my posts out of context to put your own spin on it is also bad. And it looks worse coming from Haku than it does Bolth, what with the latest flipflop to agree with whoever's currently in thread.
You say my play has been "annoyingly flawless", and "it's easy to say what everyone wants to hear", but that ignores every disruption I've made. It ignores my every interaction. It ignores how, when DBP and Dusk had just crossed, and literally everyone was against Dusk and actively arguing to leave DBP alone, I was the first to make a case against DBP. When Dusk was universally viewed as the scum, I tone-read him, defended him, and pushed DBP instead. You supposedly scum-read for doing that, to the point where you were ready to "thunderdome" me over it yesterday, but then think I'm his partner today? I'll take the "annoyingly flawless" part as a compliment, but trying to use *good* play to argue for why I'm wolf isn't just bad, it blatantly disregards my plays themselves and the definitively pro-town impact they've had. You forget I'm a power wolf too. If I was scum with DBP, you really think I blow up his spot and get a partner lynched and the other exposed when the two of us would almost certainly be able to steer a lynch together? You know me better than that, and all this flipflopping is really starting to stink |
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I take notes while catching up 'cause I can't respond to everything individually or even quote them or it'd just be wall after wall after wall and gets ignored. If you can't see how it helps me solve game and read slots, then idk what to tell you |
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I'm doing this because I have a ton of games where I'm like
[haha Bolth obvious wolf] [let's not read a single Shadow post] [vote Bolth] [Bolth flips town] [Wolves win] I literally did zero work on evaluating you this game until now because you were simply never on the table. The thing is that we're going in a F4/F3 and you're probably stuck with me. |
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You just took a bunch of posts that were semi relevant from each players and explained the equivalent of fun facts. I got the classic Haku Town Read™ in it too yay.. I'm still reading, don't mind me tho. |
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like really really read them bash your head against my every post. look at heated situations and not heated situations. look at the context and remember the gamestate at the time. try to find what I really want. do it now, and when you come up thinking "k he's town after all" remember that feeling and stick to it. 'cause FYI, the last time you said exactly what you're saying here, you ended up fearlynching me in F3 vs sunfan and I really don't want that happening again if you're town |
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If you're town, I need to identify what happened to you to wolf read DBP in the first place and understand if it makes sense. My main take is that you town read MML relatively early in the game, but it's not a read I could get myself during most of the game. Basically, I'm trying to inform myself about your game progression to be like "oh you think this because of this" rather than "magically having the right thoughts at the right time". Sorry for not being quick at connecting the dots together. |
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Dusk I just wanna say from now if the beef with DBP was invented and y'all end up being partners, then major props to you both on the grade A plan & execution
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only problem with that is, since he was playing differently than normal, I kept wanting more from him and could only operate on what little I got. The first reason I had to suspect him came during the EoD where we lynched Xiz. Towards the end, Xiz' tone got really pure and I started feeling like it was a miss. I asked DBP if he saw what I was seeing 'cause he's normally got solid reads as town, and he said something along the lines of "not really". Now, Xiz was mechanically the right lynch, but hearing that he didn't see the change in tone was surprising and a little worrying, especially after Xiz flipped. None of that mattered much anymore the next day, though, because FFA seemed to have gotten a redcheck on DBP. When DBP counterclaimed by saying he had blocked FFA the night before, my first thought was something along of "huh, yeah right, that's awfully convenient". Even after reading MML's claim and realizing that FFA wasn't cop, I still doubted DBP's claim 'cause of how funky that timing is. I think I wrote something about it at the time, and wrote a post about how FFA's flip definitively determines DBP's alignment. Once FFA rescinded, that kinda went out the window 'cause the red check got retracted, but the suspicion was still there. It all sorta piled up in that next phase, when dusk and DBP went head to head. Dusk had been seeming better and better of late, and DBP still hadn't given me anything make me think he was town. That's when I first sat down and actively considered the world where he's scum and made my case against him, and the rest since then is prolly fresh in your mind |
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