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MixMasterLar 08-13-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4740293)
Famous, beloved and universally accepted as great white people were also trash and we noticed

There's....a lot to unpack here and truthfully speaking I feel any effort to do so is gonna go unappreciated so I'll just leave it at " hard disagree" and move on.

Funnygurl555 08-13-2020 11:24 AM

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i don't mean to imply that anyone's being racist or sexist but moreso to point at the sociological phenomena that lead us to hold women (and specifically women of color) to different standards. i'm sorry if my opinion offended you, dynam0

and also to those who dislike the song, that doesn't mean you're racist or sexist either. music taste is subjective.

you're all free to disagree with my opinion. my take is just my opinion on the song after all, and i'm glad that you guys are engaging with me

edit: miley cyrus is actually an interesting counterexample. i'd argue that in the bangerz era she attempted to appropriate black culture as well, but she did so very crudely and distastefully (e.g. god awful twerking). in her latest ep she tried to get into rapping as well. i'm not sure what her music persona really is at the moment-- she seems to be everywhere

choof 08-13-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4740268)
music today is indeed very sexist, and women-- especially black women-- are often objectified.

music today can be pretty bigoted in general, like migos have dropped at least two tracks where they spout off some homophobia and then you got tards like lil dirk dropping bars about how "if she say no I ain't hearin it"


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when people decry this song, they call it trashy. specifically, trashy. that's not the wording we use when a male singer makes a sexually explicit song, or when a woman is sexualized in a male singer's music video... or when a white or white passing woman makes a sexually explicit music video. i think this points towards the intersection of racism and sexism in both the music industry and in society as a whole.
dunno about this one, miley cyrus got fuckin owned for that stage performance with the blurred lines dude

Dynam0 08-13-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4740294)
There's....a lot to unpack here and truthfully speaking I feel any effort to do so is gonna go unappreciated so I'll just leave it at " hard disagree" and move on.

You don't think Cardi B is universally appreciated? Look at the view counts, likes, etc. She's clearly "winning the game".

My point is if an artist does something provocative for its own sake, a lot of people are going to call it trashy. There's really nothing more to analyse further than that. This just happens to be a case where a woman of colour does this. Bringing race and sex into this is really just making a fuss from nothing imo.

s1rnight 08-13-2020 12:24 PM

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its a cool song, i like how rhythmically fluent all the verses are. all the speaking parts are flying between different singers and different triplets...

mellonxcollie 08-13-2020 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4740296)
dunno about this one, miley cyrus got fuckin owned for that stage performance with the blurred lines dude

yes she did. All women get shamed for displaying sexuality. But that doesn't mean that black women aren't shit on more frequently, and with heavier scrutiny. White women can "get away with more" where black women will be more likely to be shamed over something minor.

And I'm not saying that people are consciously doing this (tho some certainly are). It's ingrained within our society and culture, for people's default reactions and assumptions about people to differ based on gender or race.

That's the thing about intersectionality. We as women do share that common experience of being shamed, POC share certain experiences, and women POC have their own unique intersection of experiences.

Good example I can think of: Janet Jackson and the wardrobe malfunction. I watched that live and uh, if anyone actually remembers the performance, JUSTIN rips the bustier off janet's bust during a performance of HIS song. Where the line HE sings is "gonna have you naked by the end of this song".

Yet Janet got allllllllll the blame for the "malfunction". Nobody thought "maybe Justin ripped too hard?" and blamed him. Nobody thought "maybe the seamstress made a mistake?" and blamed them. The world saw a black women with her boob out and blamed her, entirely her. When she probably had little to no say in what actually happened since it was a giant production choreographed by her and Justin's teams. Yet Janet takes the blame... hmm

mellonxcollie 08-13-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4740295)
edit: miley cyrus is actually an interesting counterexample. i'd argue that in the bangerz era she attempted to appropriate black culture as well, but she did so very crudely and distastefully (e.g. god awful twerking). in her latest ep she tried to get into rapping as well. i'm not sure what her music persona really is at the moment-- she seems to be everywhere

also re: miley being criticized. there were a lot of layers to that.

as FG pointed out, she was being called out for cultural appropriation at the same time. The other thing was the very rape-y lyrics and tone of the song. and then the way she was dressed in opposition to her male co-singer, who was in a full suit while she was wearing a flesh-coloured panty set

That performance was using Miley's sexuality to the benefit of her male co-singer. It didn't have the same feeling of female empowerment as many of these other anthems including WAP. it just seemed generally messy and "wtf are you doing". I know that misogyny definitely went into a lot of criticism of Miley but there was some real stuff there, too

mi40 08-13-2020 01:48 PM

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imagine listening to cardi b and not three six mafia

Walrusizer 08-13-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740283)
There is no "sexist power structure." Society is the collection of individual decisions made. Don't blame society, blame yourself. It cuts far deeper than the "Western society = bad" memes propagated by professors. This is evolutionary principle at play here.

So first you say this,

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Originally Posted by ledwix (Post 4740283)
Women are free to shave their heads, dress like guys, and act stoic, since guys will turn away from them more often or assume they are gay.

But most choose not to, because every decision has consequences, and most women have judged the advantages as worth it. That's largely because when you live as a man, no one chases you around competing to give you free stuff. Your comfort isn't even an entity of consideration. Your value is not innate, but vested in your continued ability to toil away, skillfully working hard to produce a result. Your value is in your talents, not in simply existing.

So most women like to be a prize; not a mere prize, but at LEAST a prize. There's nothing wrong with that, as you might as well use every advantage you have.

and then you give a clear example of 'sexist power structures' while simultaneosly claiming that they don't exist. I know how much people like you love to jerk off 'individual decisions' and somehow believe that libertarian free will exists, but it's simply a fact that people make decisions for a reason. If you grow up in a society where women are almost universally viewed as objects to be won and men to be emotionless workhorses, of course you're probably going to hold those views yourself. Just like how you'd probably be quite racist if you grew up in the south in the 1800s. Assuming that you don't think these sexist attitudes are good, they can obviously still be changed on a societal level, even if it's made up of 'individual decisions'.

kalibee 08-13-2020 05:13 PM

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Because I have children, I've seen the newest argument about WAP (ahem Ben Shap- nvm). No matter what my children come across, I will tell them that this is how they choose to express themselves, period. It's not my job to enforce my own opinions on my children. They'll grow up into their own person whether I like it or not, and enforcing my beliefs onto them is where severe childhood depression and anxiety come to play. Don't even get me started on how, at 8 years old, I had free reign on the world wide web lol

I came out alright heh

IwasAsquidOnce 08-13-2020 05:57 PM

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its catchy

BigHayden1 08-13-2020 06:07 PM

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i dont understand the ben shapiro memes from WAP

Bolth mannn 08-13-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4740302)
imagine listening to cardi b and not three six mafia

Imagine listening to music and not investing in TSLA shares

mellonxcollie 08-13-2020 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHayden1 (Post 4740312)
i dont understand the ben shapiro memes from WAP

it's because his wife who is a ~doctor~ said that women who have wet pussies must be ill and have a yeast infection or something

so basically ben shapiro has never satisfied his wife, literally confirmed BY HIM in an attempt at a.... brag?

its the funniest fucking thing to ever happen

BigHayden1 08-13-2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mellonxcollie (Post 4740315)
it's because his wife who is a ~doctor~ said that women who have wet pussies must be ill and have a yeast infection or something

so basically ben shapiro has never satisfied his wife, literally confirmed BY HIM in an attempt at a.... brag?

its the funniest fucking thing to ever happen

oh, well i remember seeing a meme where it was smithers being twerked on by 2 girls and the caption was "if megan thee stallion and cardi b see ben shapiro after WAP" or some shit

Dynam0 08-13-2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mellonxcollie (Post 4740315)
it's because his wife who is a ~doctor~ said that women who have wet pussies must be ill and have a yeast infection or something

so basically ben shapiro has never satisfied his wife, literally confirmed BY HIM in an attempt at a.... brag?

its the funniest fucking thing to ever happen

lmao what a guy


ilikexd 08-13-2020 08:30 PM

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since when are music videos and music the same thing

WildZapdos 08-13-2020 09:22 PM

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i will always appreciate the alt-right's incredibly overreaching efforts to give as much exposure as possible to everything that's seen by at least 5 people and challenges their worldviews

ULTIMEGA 08-14-2020 02:21 AM

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This. Song. Sucks.

melonpapes 08-15-2020 05:50 PM

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bump


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