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I'm reading your intent to appear to be making a quality top notch post that really isn't a quality top notch post as scummy.

had you cut out the intro, it would have been a balls awful excuse for a detailed reads list.

In addition, I personally don't believe that you would mention that you had a detailed reads list that you deleted because people replaced.

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So you're telling me that I was actually right when I said you didn't actually think I was wolfy and you used to this as an attempt to see if it was a tell or not.

Which you know, I could see this being a particularly note worthy tell. In fact it'd be a damning one. I can see where you come from.

Look this isn't relevant to the game, but to be frank I think people read my posts with a significantly different tone than I do. A lot of my posts contain strong harsh , childish insult language, and unless you've voice chatted with me frequently, admittedly I understand how that is the case.

However let me swing back and go back into what my original post to roundbox showing intent on me:

Very blatant sarcasm.

However to be fair:

I do give him the reaction he thinks is the tell he's looking for, and zero explanations I give for this are relevant tot he game and won't sound like a pity party.

If I were actually wolf this game goddamn roundbox, I'm sorry man. You'd have fucking wrecked me. Like dude, holy shit. It's JUST NOW hitting me how damning that sort of reaction is.

You picked a game where I rolled town to do it though, and it really sucks for me, because frankly I don't have a counter argument.

I'm gonna flip town guys, but shit, at least I know that if I WAS the scum team I got fucking schooled in the most basic way possible.

I can accept that.

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Sorry, next time I won't get your hopes up unless I'm certain I can deliver [READ: I have whatever I'm promising mostly done already ]

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Quite, you woof, I'm only doing it now because he made a wall-o-anger-text.

Otherwise, I would just yawn in his direction and wouldn't care if he lived or die.

...Still kind of don't, but now I think it's a miss, so there ya go.

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there are dicks

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The apology here is for the name calling general stupidity on my end, not for anything else.*

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Unfortunately I don't have the time nor the willpower to respond in full to this. However, I do think that it's a good post and much better than "shut up".

1. You said you had a better read list and you didn't put it up, not even part of it. Why? You wanted to vote for inactives but you didn't commit. Why?
2. I understand why you said you made it. But what made you feel the need to format it in this manner? Why not just point out the specific tendencies for each player? Would it be that hard to follow your 'wolf tendencies' otherwise? In 676 you just write you wanted to put it up cause you worked hard on it, that's fine. It doesn't take that much more effort to say you wanted to put it up because you wanted to show your work.
3. Sloppy play is what leads to questioning, and reaction/response to said questioning is what most people base their reads on. Why bring anything up if not to talk about it? TWG might attack your rhetoric, but it is not supposed to be a personal attack. It is meant to be a mentally exhausting challenge. What else would you say we should base our reads off of on d0? When people shut down because they're butthurt like Zenith, nothing useful is accomplished.
4. Unhelpful attitude. It was like you didn't even want to entertain the comments, because you didn't care enough to fully flesh out your original collosal post. To me, that sounds like you are afraid that your logic is wrong, which is scummy to me.
5. You want to vote for inactives but you lean on storn/gs/tokzic?
5.2 Sorry if I offended you. Like I said, you did try to contribute. It was just kind of vapid to me, and when people asked why, you shut them out.
6. It's not typical, according to your Wolf Tendencies.

There just isn't a better option right now unless you give us one Freezin. Speak up against the people you want dead. Don't get swallowed up defending yourself because you're not doing a good job of it.

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just rings totally insincere

and you're still not scumhunting

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Aaaaaand there goes the wagons imo.

Gonna probably assume freezin is gonna get the votes now with that type of post Xel just made.

...Or it could be Xel knows people would back off if he admits his play looks scummy. Hmmmmmmm...

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At this point pretty sure there's no pleasing you. Just look at it as a mediocre to average reads list if it makes you feel better. If anyone else's survival is ever indicative on a quality read list, I'll be sure to call you to grade it

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lol, remember that one game where Xel came in EoD and he was in some bathroom at work in Walmart?

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nope
nope

vote xel

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some spicy reads before the day's out

AA (Town lean) - There's been a couple of things that seem a bit suspicious like how the argument between them & Freezein dropped quickly and was part of what got my attention in the first place to vote Freezein, but has posted a lot of stuff helping town imo.

storn (Null) - I will admit that I don't think I've paid enough attention to storn's posts and the line of questioning that Charu put on him, and some of his earlier posts I'm finding myself not agreeing with. However, his more recent posts about voting I do agree with.

YoshL (town lean) - The interaction between dfr & YoshL earlier on in the game gave me really strong town vibes from both of them. For YoshL in particular, it was the aggression but it slowly tipped off around the same time YoshL & others were arguing about analogies. YoshL really hasn't posted all that much since then. Really wish he'd have kept the same sort of aggression but just toned it down a little bit. Got next to nothing instead.

wineandbread (town lean) - Not very much to go off of since a substitute in, but I did like the content post that he did recently. Specifically pointing out the Zenith stuff which was nice since I overlooked that.

roundbox (null) - Guy's doing 1 word posts and it's just sort of hard to get anything out of him really besides some reasoning as to why he put his vote on Xelnya. He brings up a good point imo that Xel is probably the better lynch candidate than Zenith here, since not only was he doing the arby's act early game but also talked a ton more shit than Zenith.

MML (town lean) - me & him had an early mindmeld and I like what he's pushing out there for a lot of other people, but again it's one of those things where I wish I could reread just to make sure. Haven't had a lot of chance to reread stuff since just recently I became a Community Moderator on some other website. Ultimately I blame his formatting tho bad formatting MML I blame you no takebacks you said it yourself.

Xelnya (scum lean) - Hasn't imo really contributed to the overall pressure & opinions that are happening, and has been more focused on shittalking really. He would be my 2nd vote this day but FreezeinIce is taking the cake for me on this.

Precarious (Null) - hasn't posted yet, looking forwards to a good quality post if he can get one in before EoD.

V (Null) - his words are like butter it might just be me but I think I might be too dumb to actually understand his poetry without reading it really really hard, and I only read through his stuff once. Regardless, he's not in a position where I'd like to see him gone right now.

Haku (town lean) - I liked a couple of the posts he made from when he subbed in, but I'm still not sure what to think yet, especially with him saying that he's going to be inactive as fuck probably after today since he's travelling.

FreezeinIce (top scum) - What didn't I like about what he's said so far? I disagree with the way he checks for wolves, I hate it that he even put that out there as if he could come back to it in the future to secure his case, he made multiple votes early into the game and then rescinded them sometimes in the same sentence but left the vote, there was also that one situation where pressure between him & AA immediately stopped because he got told by someone what to do instead of maybe putting pressure down on it. And they are sticking to that mindset in choosing their votes through a possible EoD lynch. A lot of people right now are saying that because the reads post looks super pretty that's a valid reason to go in on it but I'm not seeing it. Even then, everything else is enough for me to warrant my vote there.

Shado (town lean) - He's made a couple of quality posts that I agree with around page 15 - 20 into the thread I forget exactly where. I'd like to reread just to confirm as I was in the middle of doing so but then something came up for me on another website that I had to take care of. Again gotta say I'm not a fan of people clinging to me because it makes me think people are trying to save face (especially when they're drunk <,<) but for right now, there's worse out there.

Pazzaz (Null) - dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks

Charu (town) - Dude's contributed a quite a bit to discussion and I think he holds the best post in this entire thread right now of voting who you seriously consider the worst and figure out the nitty-gritty later. Don't spend time overanalyzing just to make your vote, get it out, spit your reason, and be done with it.

Andy (town lean) - Early on in the game he got into a match with YoshL, and had quite a couple of things in there that screamed noob town to me, of which YoshL was riding off of. I believe those types of responses under that pressure is a good sign that he's trying, he just doesn't know where to go with it quite yet.

gold stinger (dicks) -

botchi (Null) - the fuck? I didn't know botchi was playing this game what the fuck

dfr (town lean) - His emotional outburst in favor of andy I believe is showing strong will to display that he's willing to get himself into possible bad situations this game. Also, the majority of posts afterwards in the thread were mostly commenting on things people have said/saying what they liked/disliked imo so for right now, they're not helping find scum as much as I'd like to see them doing, but they're doing alright for right now.

Zenith (scum lean) - Dude feels like he doesn't want to play, and is not being very open with everyone else about how they feel on interactions and votes. Feels very bottled up, but I don't necessary feel like voting because it doesn't feel alignment indicative to me. Just feels like the dude doesn't want to play. It is kind of screwing with town right now though so I'm leaving it as scum lean for now.

Tokzic (Null) - I don't necessarily know what to think of him yet, I believe I need to reread his posts. If I'm not mistaken I think there's a lot of agreeing/disagreeing with others but ehhhhhhh.

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im not quiet sure you typed what you meant to type.

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Going back 2 reread som missed stuff now

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I don't remember his alignment and I don't really care at this point

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Eh?

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you typed quite instead of quiet

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Eh?

Why not? Isn't that what you were considering with Freezin with you "Weeellllll... he could be town but all his posts point the other direction."

Isn't that LITERALLY what you said about Freezin?

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Only grammar nazi's are wolves.

Got'em!

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Also read a lot of posts that there's no one actively trying to defend FreezeinIce but also have seen a couple posts saying that it might not be best to vote that way because wolves aren't defending which may or may not be a defense all in itself, no?

I'm feeling kind of inconclusive on it. I think I'm just going to vote based on other stuff that's already happened prior to emotional stuff as cold as it sounds.

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GS, my only problem with your reads list is the fact that you have both Xel and Zenith as scum. Do you really think their interactions could be wolf/wolf? Do you think a Xel/Zenith on the same wolf team? By this connection, do you think Xel has been bussing since second 1 of this game?

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yes? and I don't see how those are the same. I tinfoiled on freezin due to the lack of people defending him at all, the same is not quite true for xelnya and I still don't understand why you're bringing up the bathroom scenario.

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precarious areyou able to post something

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charu if you're trying to get me to tinfoil then that's possible, but comparing the xel/freezinice scenario isn't helpful because they're not similar

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Back. So people are second guessing the Freezin wagon?

If he isn't a hit then he's a shit town SPEAKING OF WHICH XELNYA YOU STILL BITCHING ALL THE WAY UP TO EOD


Jesus Christ

I think Freezin, Xel, DFR (who still hasnt ever come around and made me feel better about his lackluster responses. He's going under the radar now and that's shit) and Haku

I dislike RB but I wont vote him today

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I have one major problem with the freezin -> xel wagon right now, and thats the people on it. Like i can see the reason people are voting for xel and thats fine. I can also see why people might want to hop off of freezin right now, or join a counter wagon to oppose his lynch. But its some of the people like round, charu, and tokzic that makes me question the viability of the wagon.

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Because in that game, Xel pretty much did bad plays and post, and literally at like... 30 minutes till, he admitted he was being bad and that he was currently just checking to see what was happening before going back to work.

*shrug*

It's that part of my memory that's making me second guess him at the moment. But if you don't that way, then be my guess.

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I'm sure the trains will be me and freezin. They totally should be.

I was town that game I think, and that's not my intention.

Denote that if I was I'd say something like "don't go after roundbox" which is not what I said. I don't say a single thing about not going after roundbox. He might just be a real scum role who happens to have a really good tell of mine he baited me into. Perks to him really if that's the case.

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don't feel that way*

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that was me, and I didn't say that wolves aren't defending, I said no one is defending which more often than not means that wolves are comfortable with the lynch which is why the movement is so one-sided. wolves obviously want to defend wolves to a certain extent.

one example is in the freeze wars game where I was a wolf and pushed a gradiant lynch, he was consistently in the top few candidates and V correctly recognized that this was because scum were very comfortable with him as a lynch, which I think is a possibility with freezin.

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I've pushed xelnya several times now to scumhunt

he hasn't moved off his ass

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hey xel you know what might make me reconsider?

IF YOU WOULD SCUMHUNT

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You do realize half of my play is a facade, and I've been intentionally facetious? Also, I do agree that DFR has definitely taken the back burner today and could use some attention.

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I'm giving dfr a pass for today because I have an idea

if that doesn't play out, I will grill him, especially since he said he'd be here for EOD and guess what...?

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If we're doing that, let me give you a list of players that have not pushed.

storn42
wineandbread
Precarious
Vendetta21
Hakulyte
Pazzaz (0 poster so ignore)
botchi246
_Zenith_

Why aren't you mad at them? Is it because they're not posting for you to yell at?

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nothing dfr has done has particularly leaned me town, and I'm fairly confident in my ability to read him

when he's town it's just apparent and it's not this game

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I don't think their interactions could be wolf/wolf I think that Zenith is not helping town at all, where as the suspicion on Xelnya is much stronger for doing the whole Xiz act from the beginning and then changing half way through & getting aggressive because it might not have been working out as planned.

I don't think Xel has been bussing since second 1. I see some possible bussing from Zenith, but I think he's just really uninterested in this game. I don't think there's enough information given the way the game is going right now to say whether they're on the same team or not. My gut says they probably aren't.

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maybe because

1. I have a townread on storn
2. wineandbread actually has done work
3. precarious I've been pushing
4. vendetta has a few posts that actually say something
5. hakulyte I've said my piece about
6. pazzaz
7. botchi is inactive
8. zenith I've said mys tuff about, you saw him flip out

I don't understand why you're so eager for me to give xelnya a chance here when I have multiple times and he has not produced anything remotely resembling a useful post aside from something early on with a few leans, and no progression since then

it also seems like you haven't been keeping up on the game, because if you had you'd realize that I've clearly addressed the majority ofthe players in that list, and have at least touched on the others (except maybe wnb cause he recently started posting)

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are you trying to make my brain explode GS?

Thats nice

uhh what.

False, I made ONE VOTE in the early game.

False, nobody fucking told me what to do. I saw the parallels to last game and AA was obviously town, so i backed off.

I am choosing survival, my good sir. And if you were in my shoes and did not choose survival, you are a moron.

OH HEY you threw me a bone. Too bad the "everything else" you were referencing was horseshit

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I don't like most of the case by gs on freezin, freezin pointed out the holes just now

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Curious, where did you touch up with V with his morning posts? I don't remember reading anything like that.

Good be faulty memory I suppose.

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charu if you'd pay attention you'd see that I've done my very best to address every player to some extent in this game which is really hard given that there are 19 other ones and there are several (and were more) who weren't doing JACK SHIT, and it's really annoying that you act as if I haven't

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you're right, I didn't actually address V, it was really in my head. but I still don't see why there's this expectation that i *must* push all players equally, I think I've done the best job this game of actually trying to do that and it seems like you're trying to discredit my push on xelnya solely because I've missed someone

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i see xelnya's post that AA rings as insecure as an honest introspection.

also i think it's contrived that AA on D0 is being like "YOU SCUMHUNT NOW OR ELSE IM READING YOU SCUM". Forcing people to make reads I feel is not the correct way of getting people to participate, much less a way of reading them at all

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I'm not saying you're not doing stuff. I'm just saying, as subtle as I could've been...

You're tunneling on Xel hard

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I've brought up numerous points about him, one in particular being the fact that he is consistently refusing to scumhunt. I think that's the easiest point for him to address but so far he's refused to do anything, and I've said why I'd rather give freezin a pass at this point

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Well it's less than 30 minutes till the clock ticks.

Xel, got one quick question.

Are you someone important?

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Xel and Freezin. Whoever answers first, you want heads or tails? I'm flippin' a coin.

-o24

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You're kind of exploding it yourself here, since almost everything that everyone has said your way explodes you but ok. I like that you're actually going in on something now.

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...Ewwwww... this is a really gross post actually, LOL.

Slip!?

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I won't deny it, but I'm not feeling freezin anymore and I've said where I stand on pretty much all players

if you have another option please share

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If I was super important I wouldn't have done the arbys stuff

yes by this I am asserting I rolled a vanilla town role, and the unlikely nature of that is astounding

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Oh come on, y'know you totally would if you were third party or whatever. But thanks for clarification.

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here's my argument

#1 is not a strong factor in my argument
#2 is
#3 is a lesser factor but it's heavily subjective
#4 is definitely a factor and is tied into #2

so #2 is the strongest factor and also something xel can easily flip but he's just sitting there

you know what

unvote, let's see if any options present themselves

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Yeah I got that sense as well. I'm a little surprised but it's not unheard of.

I'm going to go FreezinIce for reasons already covered, and even his emotionally reaction could easily just be being pissed that he got caught.

I hope my other scum leans fucking step it up tomorrow.

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what the fuck

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No

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You don't get to be Xiv.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

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trying something

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holy shit it is taking all my self-control not to mash my keyboard angerly at you. The statistical odds of you taking LITERALLY THE WORST POSSIBLE PATH IN EVERY GAME I PLAY WITH YOU IS ASTOUNDING

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Why on earth Precarious?

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are you able to participate

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I DONT EVEN CARE IF THATS AN OMGUS POST. OR THIS ONE. FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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Vote count plz

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@TWG Ike

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First post in awhile, and you pull this garbage? sigh, there goes my townread.

Shit, if these two are the only wagons, XelNya it is.

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this...

this is actually something AA did to me during Freeze wars as a wolf

however, the circumstances are a bit different. I am NOT willing to look into a case into AA in our remaining 15 nor cfd

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???

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bad plays just make me think more and more that he's town. I did exactly what he did last game lol.

For the future Andy never ever ever make coinflips & such on this kind of stuff. Makes people think you're just wolfing for something and you're undecisive on who to kill without any real reason for it. Makes it look like you didn't give a single fuck this entire day.

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MML fucking reads everything that can go 50/50 the wrong way. Its like his special ability

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I do not like this

the xelnya vote is fine, but the timing and shadow's overall play have a bad impression

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can we CFD onto this

shadowolfe

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Oh my god, LOL.

I actually laughed hard.

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As a side note, why is my PC clock still ten minutes fast lol

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I periodically refresh to try to keep up with the thread on this tab, while reading from the beginning on another. There's no way I'll catch up to the thread by EoD, but I am here.