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I wouldn't doubt hate blocked me because I was the counterwagon and that would be the technical smartest move made all game from his point of view

But without a claim that's 100% speculation that doesn't do much good.

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some antori worlds exist based on mechanical info, its just that, out of all possible worlds of the two remaining wolves, we know for a fact that antori is in the least number of all of them

all I can eliminate is that its never
sunfan/antori
roundbox/antori
and almost certainly never xelicopter/antori

based on mechanical information

all other worlds exist

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

errr
all other worlds can possibly exist*

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Precarious claim irks me because it's literally giving no new information and all it proves is that he knows something that was already public knowledge

I think I'm more on the side that Antori would try that "I forgot" stint as wolf, it's just I can see it slipping his mind as town too. I think that we shouldn't assume he's "never lying here"

I also, while believe that Roundbox would target SunFan both times, have to admit that SunFan was never a wolf target and that act of doctoring doesn't really rule put he's fakeclaiming either. Had we one less kill to show it would be extremely believable but as it stands it really doesn't prove anything.

I think I'm 100% clearing Xel though it feels like he's working with knowledge he should have and to steal AA's phrasing post read pure.

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alright precarious
you're dead

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and later

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that is /not/ the progression of a read of someone who saw Subaru visit Zenith in the night
Precarious is not the n2 watcher

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setting up a plan of attack for the night actions now:

I've actually never seen this scenario before, and the proof for it is exceedingly long, so if someone asks me for it, I can give it, you'd just have to give me a long time in order to prove that this is the best course of action

this is actually pretty bonkers

KAYLA AND I NEED TO TARGET THE SAME PLAYER TONIGHT

I am assuming we are lynching precarious after I went back and looked at those subaru reads from the phase before. This plan only has any value if Precarious is a wolf. If Precarious is not a wolf, Kayla and I should do whatever tonight, as should Antori.

Therefore, the only way to extract value from this is for Kayla and I to roleblock the same player (wolves have a really funny outplay and smoke-cloud for cover if we don't)

If there is a nightkill, then that player becomes cleared, unless they are mafia and have been holding onto their strongman kill all this time, which I think is unbelievably unlikely to be the case

so, kayla and I need to figure out who we are both targeting tonight

antori, you should target between kayla and myself tonight
DO NOT SAY WHICH ONE OF US YOU ARE TARGETING

should be the best course of action

and, just repeating this just to be as clear as possible
entirely discard any plans if precarious does not flip red

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G o t it. Who's Kayla though?

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also, this should be obvious, but we can't choose antori in that plan to double-roleblock

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psychoangel691

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O h I thought she was Azlyn cuz that's her thing on twitch

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DBP's reads:
Lar scummy
funnygurl lock town
svaz lock town
roundbox town
shadow_god scummy
antori/lar together as tinfoil (unlikely)
eventually comes around to lar being prolly town (I think?)
voted shadow_god and encouraged others to do so

these have aged pretty well tbh
entirely possible that all of these, aside from the antori/lar tinfoil, are correct

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yeah you need to die

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

why the fuck didn't I just go with xiz yesterday

remind me to not be a moron and be complacent if we seem ahead again thx

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I assume you mean precarious needs to die and not me

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score another for "Sort by postcount; win game"

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

if its precarious/kayla then like
I'm actually in awe of sort-by-postcount

think I'm mostly done posting for tonight

if anyone has any questions about why I think Precarious is always a wolf, or about why I've proposed the night actions be such as they are, lmk

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

of course
if I really wanted you to die I wouldn't have protected you


and uh

why do you say this? I hard disagree

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part of me wants precarious not to be a wolf ONLY BECAUSE sunfan made a comparison to fucking Balls of Fury

I wanted that movie out of my brain

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I think he means that I was never targeted by the wolves
not that the wolves would never consider targeting me

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

ah

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So go for Prec or do you have any other 300 IQ plays goin on?

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go for prec; there's probably nothing he can say/do to convince me otherwise at this point

who do u think the other wolf would be if prec is one?
you mentioned him having impressive reads earlier

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Yeah that's the thing: My only guess is either Antori or Psycho. I have no evidence on Psycho cuz I kinda sorta forgot she was playing and Antori's just... Antori.

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On that note: Precarious

I don't think I ever publicly said it but I lowkey suspected Precarious just cuz they didn't really participate much outside of giving us reads (which yeah, they were really good), but then misleading thing they said with me being n2 vig and then a lil while after that saying somethin else that completely contradicted that. Something about having watched Zenith and somethin else.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

oh fine

precarious

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

unvote
guys cmon

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

kayla and I didn't even figure out who we're targeting together
lets keep it in our pants for now, ok?

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What SunFan said.


But Roundbox tinfoil aside, I'll agree to a Precarious lynch at this point. Claim was super flakey from jump and SunFan's right that it doesn't gel with past post.

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I think I've decided for the time being that I don't care about lar being roleblocked last night

@Kayla I recommend we double-roleblock Lar
but I want to hear ur thoughts as well

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My sleep schedule is super wacked out, my bad. I think I keep getting how roles work fucked up and it's screwing with me. But I just can't shake this feeling on Antori. I guess we can only see what happens overnight with your plan on that. I'll follow along with the Lar block. I gotta look more at precarious myself to see if I notice anything else.

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There's so little content from precarious I can't really say much that hasn't already been said. I don't want to jump the gun and drop a vote here while no one's around and someone sneak in and insta (not sure how close we are) so I'm going to wait and keep an eye in this morning.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Err... hold on a sec fellas

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

At post 1307, I believe insta had been reached, as recorded by my votecount below:

...

Precarious
X.X.X.X.X

Antori
X

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...Currently verifying...

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is that a wrap

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AYYYY!!!! So if Prec was one, who do we think is the other?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

The lar lynch is free real estate

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

SO WAIT: If nobody ended up dying last night, whoever sun and Kayla roleblocked must be the wolf, or the last wolf abstained from their night action.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

So Precarious flipped red, explain what's next sun

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I targeted lar, I assume kayla did too since she said she was going to
If the wolves didnt send in their action, that's just fine with me, because town gets an extra lynch
The lar lynch is literally free, is always happening now, and it actually doesnt matter what his alignment is

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

lar
Let's not insta early but this lynch is always happening today

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I feel alright
The game is in a really good position even if lar isnt the last wolf

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Bruh
If only I knew L O L

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I had it right the first time I'm a doofus yet again

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

So if it's not Lar, what's the plan from there tho

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Idk
I'm probably super fuckin dead if the game doesnt end with a lar lynch so do whatever the heck u want if that happens

P sure we just win by killing lar tho
Sorry jess, I think I might be mvp this game

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I did roleblock lar as well

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

now that I'm at home, I'll talk about math a little bit

during the night phase, we had 7 alive.
Now, after the night phase, we still have 7 alive.

The latest a game can get during a day phase is 3 alive. If the game, from this point forward, continues at a normal pace, then town has 3 opportunities to find the wolf.

If, last night, a kill went through, Lar would become confirmed town, but there would be 6 alive, which is 2 opportunities to find the wolf, plus a no-lynch in f4 to force the wolf kill someone who is not clear and bring it to f3.

Both outcomes are good for town; Lar either becomes someone that is always confirmed, or someone that is always lynched.

A no-kill is not a counter that the mafia, who in this example is not lar, has to this because they give town an extra opportunity at killing the mafia and it resolves someone who was always going to be a question mark in lar

this was only possible if kayla and I targeted the same person last night because otherwise, if we target different people, mafia can potentially gain too much from no-killing

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

oh nice seems game is solved

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

its actually not
lar doesn't have to be mafia
he's just always the best lynch for today

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

so how's everyone feeling
pls only use images to describe how u feel

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bruh

[img]insert link of image[img] but with a / in the 2nd img tag at the beginning

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That first image was a lot bigger than I thought it'd be

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

charu even bruh'd in the start of day post
what a fuckin game for the books

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BINGO
I DID IT MOM

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

you're the one spanking

rikka is literally every person you yelled at yesterday

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Sorry, setting up tonights tourney previews x.x

but Lar seems the most logical at this point.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

OH- when will it be again?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Just shy of an hour from now 9pm server time

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man, I am kinda surprised Lar hasn't shown
I mean, I'm down to give him like
20ish more hours to show up or something
just kinda surprised he hasn't

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Maybe giving up?

I don't recall ever playing with lar before so I don't really know his style. But if we believe the Xel claim on Antori that knocks those two to town, I'm inclinded to believe you're town so that leaves what, me, round and subaru right. Those two haven't really sparked anything wolfy to me right now. So *shrug* lar seems most logical at the moment.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

that probably only clears xel, not antori
but giving up isn't really Lar's thing; he's tried to win as a wolf through what should have been an auto-loss scenario before so

I'd be surprised if he was giving up now

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I'm gonna get flashbacks every time you post a YouTube video I swear

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I'll be good this time I swear

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I mean I knew whoever the wolves where going to no kill for that sexy free day they don't have to get and solve the moment the plan was set so seeing this outcome isn't surprising.

If we ain't gonna Insta (you still shouldn't guys fucking knock it out) then I'll be sitting at a doctors office for most of tomorrow I'll reread and give reads.

When I flip green I hope every one of you feels bad about it