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I believe DBP/Leetic are town and PRs. I won't revisit this I think.

As for MML I'm having a headache over the "I forgot" part.
I'm also suspicious about you getting suspicious of me ironically.
Besides that, I'd rather vote outside of you this phase if I can.

Duskfall feels like a derp town to me by tone alone.

Jessie is seriously overly UTR. If that's a town then rip town tbh.
Ideally, you'll want her to come here and take a stance.
She did that for a bit last phase, but I didn't like it obviously because it was her scum reading me over objective small things.
I think she never played with wolf me as well.

Bolth feels like a copy/paste of my game without the Haku world garbage.
Decent chance at being town.

ShadoWolfe would be the wolf mastermind behind the "no kill" theorem for me.

That's about it for now.

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What was the point in being rude here?

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I think we have already lost this game and Mikey with his big brain pretend to red check the unclaim was the nail im the coffin

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Also I don't remember Jesse posting at all

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Is that what you have to say?

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I'm starting to see why they're suspecting you. This is way too fatalistic for a townie to be posting on MyLo

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I swear, I have an inner voice inside me that keeps telling me that everything Duskfall post is fake lolcat tier with an occasional small attempt at getting just serious enough to please the demand.

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I still prefer to think that's a voluntarily annoying town tho.

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Utopic world is that mechanics have been done right, Duskfall got blocked with the NK and ShadoWolfe/Jessie are the other two.

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Part of me thinks im wrong and that logically there's a wolf in the PRs too.

In that scenario, it would be MML.

Claims will help solve that a bit hopefully.

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@DBP

Why no roleblock N1 ?

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D1 wagons, with colors added by me (green=flipped town, blue=1x Cop, lightblue=Roleblocker claim). A few interesting trends develop. Notice how both the people off wagon were NK'd, and a couple people on the psycho wagon have flipped (FG was on psycho wagon before switching) but no one on my wagon. Just based on numbers alone, there is confirmed scum on my wagon so investigating it would be a good place to start.

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Dont compare that to DBP's extensive soft lol

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You just thought I'm town before I came into thread and thought you were scum

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Now he seems to be trying to progress into voting me

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I hope that motivates you to help town.

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Both of jessiebessie's voters here are flipped town. It is worth noting that the Xiz wagon has all of the people who voted for me D1. I don't think that is a coincidence.

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I just did

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This more recent string of posts is reminiscent of town Haku tinfoil of old

@haku you still, to this date, have not said you thought specific post of mine was scummy. I know you can't help but tinfoil on me but please be reasonable with it and reread me if you insist on continuously including me in your pairings

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Id like to think mml is town, leetic needs to start re evaluating his life for the fact that he's still alive d4 despite claiming pr d2

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Leetic I'm not bothered isoing can you tell me what your consistent townread and scumreads have been this game?

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I'm probably dying before I convince someone to vote you unfortunately.

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Our best info atm is that leetic is definitely wolf siding regardless of his alignment so we should probably do what he's not doing

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Now only two of my voters on on the same wagon. One (Haku) didn't even vote. This is also the second time Duskfall is on a minor wagon. Other people on vanity wagons have been killed off, but Duskfall for some reason still remains.

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I'm not sure the setup agrees with you. I'm not even sure if you're serious.

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I didn't want to hammer and wasn't online eod that votecount makes no sense to read into because Mikey was an obvious consensus lynch everyone wanted

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I am very serious why do you think he's alive?

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Excusez-moi? Are you tinfoiling? Despite the fact that if my claim is fake, then this setup makes no sense

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Maybe because nothing died last night ?

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No I'm saying your reads are likely just way off and you need to start re evaluating your life because you are more valuable to scum alive than dead

Most likely they want you to be the final vote on last mislynch, possibly on me

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You believe it was a holster

So from your perspective wolves preferred a clear town alive than dead, why so you think that is?

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It's pretty interesting that MML and Ulle/Shado were on the same wagon as each other three days in a row. That's a remarkable level of coordination for them to both be town.

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Ok let's go through this slowly

Do you still think it was a holster?

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These are two independant things.

Also, it's either "because chaos" or "they failed to NK".

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Haku you dont get to say this lind of shit with no explanation

Especially when I've addressed how little sense that makes like 10 times

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This theory makes no sense. I've been the one questioning DBP's claim that you were roleblocked last night. Why would they expect me to be the last vote on you?

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Ok is haku just scum here like they seem too smart ti not be following here

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Wolves having 3 fake VT claims is usually bad, but not impossible I guess.

I just feel like the thematic is to team a Haku lynch here and it's pretty obvious that this opens up a MML/Duskfall/Jessie world for me.

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Why do you think you are alive then?

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Dbp claimed to block you should we not be considering you?

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Leetic cannot be a wolf unless you or Jessie claim a role.

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DBP blocked you. You don't even read.

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I DONT THINK LEETIC IS WOLF I NEVER SAID LEETIC IS WOLF I AM SAYING HIS READS ARE OBVIOUSLY AWFUL

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Nah I just got mixed up

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Then again, the same can be said about me and DBP so maybe this is not worth looking into. It's hard, because based on the numbers we know scum had to be in some of the big wagons but at least the last two went by in a way that the wagons could have easily been all town. This means that D1 is the most important phase to be looking into, as scum must have been on the two big wagons and likely helped both of them become viable.

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What was the point in being rude here?

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It's relevant to the game

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I choose my timing to be a dick sorry :(

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Also I tried to say it a lot and idk haku and you weren't picking up for some reason, haku it's maybe a language barrier

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Why are his reads awful ?

Do you have reads that you think are better ?

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Help me I'm going crazy

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1) you believe scum holstered haku

2) this means they chose not to kill a clear town, leetic

3) we must now consider why they chose to not kill a clear town, leetic
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If scum didn't holster then you and me are in a 1v1 so either you need to be wondering why scum specifically want leetic alive

Or you need to vote me rn

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I feel like wolf team wants me to assume something, but I don't even see it and they're like "what the fuc is this AAAAAA".

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You are slowly convincing me you are just scum here that doesn't want to interact with my logic

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Im happy to cross with haku tomorrow but I'm going to sleep now, probably

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Simple answer: Leetic not dying is not a problem because he was a 1-shot role.

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Could MML be town too because wolf roleblocker should have blocked either DBP or MML while someone else did the NK.

The logic would assume that wolves roleblocked the wrong roleblocker.

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oh my God lmao

Make me a reads and convince me your not this dense

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tl;dr: I think I'm perma town reading MML.

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Fuck I hate how "no kill" makes stuff harder than it should be.

I'd rather just vote Duskfall here and assume it's that simple.

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Duskfall, can you hard claim ? I'm assuming VT.

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The only thing I'll add to the "why they still alive" argument is that Funny died over Leetic even though there had been tinfoil over if she was Godfather (mostly from me admittedly) and Leetic was universally accepted.

Assuming he's not fake (a fair assumption) that implies to me that Funny must have been on to something that the wolves (or one of them at least) felt was better to be dropped and killed her over the more confirmed town

[Its Jessie. I'm implying Funny's insistance on Jessie is correct]

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I think Funny was also interested to follow Xiz on Bolth as well.

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I hope you're okay and still around.

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Dusk coming in here, not claiming anything, not making a real , openly admitting he won't do ISOs, and basically saying a lot of posts that mean nothing makes it seem like all he got was from reading was "I'm suspected because I'm not there" so he rushes in to stir the thread and now he'll bounce until EoD

That's anti-town, folks

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Bolth: leetic (4), Xiz (5), Dusk
DBP: psycho (3), Xiz (3), Mikey (1)
Dusk: psycho (1), Mikey, DBP (2)
FG: jessie, Bolth
Haku: leetic (3), Xiz (4), N/A
jessie: psycho (5), N/A, Mikey (5)
leetic: psycho (6), Xiz (2), Mikey (3)
Mikey: psycho (4), jessie (1), DBP (1)
MML: leetic (1), Xiz (1), Mikey (2)
psycho: N/A
Ulle/Shado: leetic (2), Xiz (6), Mikey (4)
XelNya: MML
Xiz: psycho (2), jessie (2)

When the information is lined up like this, you can see some trends that are not immediately apparent. First off, we have four people (DBP, MML, Ulle/Shado, and myself) who only voted for known town. In fact, we were on nearly the same wagons the entire time, only difference being two of us voted for psycho and the other two for leetic. It's still possible that there is a scum in here, at least one is town, and based on the similar progressions, maybe it's reasonable that all of us are town - it would suggest that mafia has been letting town destroy themselves. That leaves Bolth, Dusk, Haku and jessie, and I bet you twenty dollars that at least two, and quite possibly three, of the mafia are in this group.

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I think that's the team too.

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(yes, I changed my mind like 5 times already, I know, I know..)

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Duskfall/Jessie/Bolth

Change my mind fam. (not the hardest task)

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I really honestly am starting to think Jessie and Dusk are surefire hits

I probably place my chips on Jessie though. I think, keeping the Funny kill in mind, that she's almost always a wolf here.

The other three are.....not playing so hot. Bolth dips before any amount of reads right after he says they'll be good for town , Haku is not being consistant, and Dusk....didn't give me a lot of faith when he showed up.

Gun to my head if I knew all three was in that batch i probably clear Bolth, if I knew there were only 2 i think it's Jessie+Dusk.

Bolth clear is just gut, his play is still letting me down, but he did legit get pissed at me early game and it felt real. Wolves can get pisses too but comparatively speaking it was the most real shit any of the lot have done

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Yeah, I'm also concerned about Bolth being a tough call.

Hopefully, it's going to get more clear later on.

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I would understand if we were talking about FFR, but in TWG context I'm not quite sure what's a "consistant Haku" for you.

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Without a consistant narrative or progressions Haku just looks like he's been posting word salad and he'll likely flip flop on everyone within the hour again.

Wouldn't be the worst a town has done this game, but I also probably shouldn't have just gut cleared him as hard as i did d0. He seems like he's unable to solve but wants to keep active, and thats more scum then town

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All I can say is that I was behind on reads and solving here, but it's because I've been wanting my "mass claim" stuff and weird situations kept happening during the course of this game.

This is the first phase where I can sort of do something.

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See you using the excuse now is just......looks bad to me.

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Are you saying I should be inactive if I'm doing poorly at solving ? lol

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By all means, lead on. Bolth and Dusk both seem like they'll gonna sit out the rest of the night anyway

Idle hands do the devil's work and all that.

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I've kept watch of the thread because there's specific players I really want to see posting.

e.g: Bolth/Jessie

I have very little power on the claim stuff unless you're looking for a second opinion on what's going on.

I town read FFA over the posterity stuff he did by example near the end of last phase, but truth is that I don't know if he would have done that as both alignments.
Looks like the DBP lynch wasn't necessarily any better either.

So, gl me throwing a 3rd wagon here. It wasn't going to happen and would be weird anyway.

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Don't recall asking about your vote last phase. Why defend it here