Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728851)

Duskfall had the right idea with MML and DBP not necessarily being together.

Unfortunately, incomplete claims messes everything.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728854)

Do you think one of the two is a wolf?

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728855)

MML would have to be real here or else claims will doom him.

DBP is tricky.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728857)

If someone put a gun to your head and forced you to say if DBP is town or a wolf and wouldn't accept null for an answer, would you say that DBP is town or that he is a wolf?

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728858)

Hey I'm on data

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728813)

Mikey's claim is no longer incompatible with MML's and DBP's. The fact that he is not considering a world in which they are town is another nail in the coffin.

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4728865)

You guys don’t need my vote but just posting to say it would’ve been FFA. Don’t really like this situation at all and I’m kinda mad at VT FFA if he put us in this shitty xiz 2.0 situation. Hopefully we’re not wrong.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728864)

Broooooo you gotta stop with this
My last post literally said either policy me or lynch outside the claims

Tell the truth bro you always scum read me for nothing

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728867)

I seriously would cfd that.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728868)

Only one other game have I really scum read you. This is a lie.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728870)

No it isn't even
You literally [ogi censored]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728867)

I seriously would cfd that.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729010)

Here's the question: Did the kill fail because scum was roleblocked, or did scum intentionally no kill in order to make a Roleblocker claim look valid?

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729016)

Well, may as well finish the mass claim.

I'm hard claiming VT.

Starting to think a no kill happened here.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729018)

MML had precidence for his claim. DBP did not. I can easily see a desperate wolf trying that in that situation.

As a side note, I would recommend not being hasty with votes this phase. Don't want wolves to insta.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729020)

Why a no kill, from your point of view?

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729016)

Well, may as well finish the mass claim.

I'm hard claiming VT.

Starting to think a no kill happened here.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729022)

I know I'm town and I'm town reading Duskfall despite the meme.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4729014)

so from my understanding the setup is

VCBBBTT

TT = Role Cop + Roleblocker + Godfather

which is consistent with the Xiz roleblock

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729025)

That doesnt answer my question Haku

Try it again

Whats the reason why wolves would no kill here?

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729019)

I was thinking about this in the night

Optimal scum play is kill one roleblocker and block the other if DBP is telling the truth. Chances that the unblocked roleblocker actually gets the save are not hot, so as scum I'm pretty sure i go for the kill here.

Here's the deal though, if DBP is lying and is, say, wolf roleblocker then doesn't that make us short a town PR asuming everyone with a claim has claimed?

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729027)

To make town lynch between the two blocks.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4729028)

I'm guessing there were weird shenanigans going on here with the roleblocker interactions

wolf 1 targets MML. wolf 2 roleblocks DBP. MML roleblocks wolf 1, no kill goes off

or

wolf 1 targets MML. wolf 2 roleblocks MML. DBP roleblocks wolf 1, no kill goes off

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729026)

Nah. This is the current known information.

Everyone needs to claim for the real ideal.

What FFA did is one of the reasons why you want full claims.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729027)

To make town lynch between the two blocks.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729033)

Risky strategy if both of those blocks are scum. The only reason why scum would no kill here is if one of the "town blockers" is scum

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729038)

Just letting you know that if we decide it needs to be between Haku and Dusk I probably vote Haku here.

Unless there's a solid line of reasoning why wolves thought a no kill would be a good idea I probably vote between them

This also assumes that DBP is town. Without another PR claim i probably believe it, but i won't take it for granted at the moment

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729010)

Here's the question: Did the kill fail because scum was roleblocked, or did scum intentionally no kill in order to make a Roleblocker claim look valid?

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729042)

I think it's nearly impossible wolves send in a no-kill if the claims are to be believed.

With that said, I think DBP is almost always a wolf here

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4729014)

so from my understanding the setup is

VCBBBTT

TT = Role Cop + Roleblocker + Godfather

which is consistent with the Xiz roleblock

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4728495)

.....i

I just realized how much of a fucking spaz I am

I hardclaim roleblocker

I blocked FFA and Bolth, but didn't act on FFA d2 because i figured Xiz was lying and i mighta been wolf blocked. This phase i totally forgot that FFA would have gotten "no results" on his check on me and couldnt claim i waa town, I kinda forgot i chose him over leetic if I am being honest

I mighta just thrown the game

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4729040)

is it just because you picked Haku? I'm wondering which of the two of us the wolf roleblocker would prioritize here

I think it's safe to assume that one of us was roleblocked last night, which means that only one of our roleblocks actually went through

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729048)

More likely possibility: DBP is the scum roleblocker, decided to claim just to try and save himself, as he was near insta twice, including when he made the claim. He was fully not expecting to survive the phase, and the fact that his claim lined up with a possibility is a lucky accident.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4729045)

why???

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729048)

More likely possibility: DBP is the scum roleblocker, decided to claim just to try and save himself, as he was near insta twice, including when he made the claim. He was fully not expecting to survive the phase, and the fact that his claim lined up with a possibility is a lucky accident.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729050)

MML, are you 100% certain DBP's claim is real?

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729056)

No, i would feel better saying that after full claims at this point. For both FFA and DBP to not be roles throws the setup in mad question.

I'm like 90% sure he's town though. Even without claims i think we've been seeing his town game. I dont think its smart to doubt the claim

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729056)

No, i would feel better saying that after full claims at this point. For both FFA and DBP to not be roles throws the setup in mad question.

I'm like 90% sure he's town though. Even without claims i think we've been seeing his town game. I dont think its smart to doubt the claim

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729048)

But consider the possibility that the setup is VCBTTTT. That would be the same setup, but with the one shot rolecop. It does also look like a more typical setup. So is that consistent with what we saw?

Under 4T scenario, scum would have had to know Mikey's claim was fake. That leaves the question of why scum would fakeclaim under this scenario, as they chose a fakeclaim that would work under the setup.



Possibility: Bolth was the Rolecop, saved his shots N1, and was roleblocked N2. Thus, scum would have known the existence of a town roleblocker in the setup. Based on timing, DBP's claim could be a calculated move.

More likely possibility: DBP is the scum roleblocker, decided to claim just to try and save himself, as he was near insta twice, including when he made the claim. He was fully not expecting to survive the phase, and the fact that his claim lined up with a possibility is a lucky accident.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729058)

this is like the 3rd time I remember you mentioning setup would be "short" a PR if he's scum

can you explain that to me?

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729059)

It wouldn't actually throw the setup into question, VCBTTTT is more reasonable than VCBBBTT

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729061)

Well Leetic is saying i'm wrong



Buuuut my understanding is that if we didnt have another PR then we would likely have an SK?
And we aint got no SK at this point.

But if leetic is right then womp womp. I guess its a decision i have to make with gut on how i feel DBP has played

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4729060)

and also that I fake softed roleblocker as early as D0 and nothing else, which is the same as committing to a potential 1-letter role which was way more dangerous than a 2-letter role (again)

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729059)

It wouldn't actually throw the setup into question, VCBTTTT is more reasonable than VCBBBTT