Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4728134)

Tell me why I would vote DBP, who had sound reasoning and valid suspicions that some of you AGREED WITH ti lynch Xiz over someone like FFA who somehow hit fucking jackpot on being right dispite it makingno sense and ia now being all holier-then-thou about it.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728141)

I thought xiz was a wolf too, I'll own up to that

funnygurl was right, and some of the wolfiest wolfbros of all time were pushing xiz when we had a mechanical path to avoid a mislynch

vote dbp

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728144)

I'm tempted to afk this phase.

1. Everyone town read me.
2. doesn't look like mass claim is a thing.
3. I'm curious what DBP does, but it's not too important.
4. FFA called a red check.
5. If DBP town, FFA is dead next phase.
6. My opinion is trash.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728145)

hopefully dbp lolcats so I don't have to hardclaim

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728150)

So Mikey, Haku, Dusk, and Bolth. Two of jessiebessie, ShadoWolfe, and MixMasterLar would have to be scum if DBP is scum. If Mikey's checks are true, that would leave DBP, Shadow, and jessie as the most likely scum team. The question is are these three compatible as partners?

Originally Posted by jessiebessie (Post 4726516)

I’m interested to hear what Xiz has to say to defend themselves. I agree that we will learn a lot about DBP if we pay attention to how Xiz v DBP plays out.

Originally Posted by jessiebessie (Post 4726520)

So Xiz’s response to DBP’s accusation was sarcasm?

@Xiz if you’re town and someone is accusing you of not being town-aligned, I don’t think sarcasm is the route to take to help town solve the game. You’re just making us all more confused by not directly addressing DBP’s point. It would help if you replied with a more substantial response plz.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4728148)

If you have a recheck on someone fucking hardclaim?

If you don't stop wasting time on a DBP lynch

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728149)

saying that he was likely a wolf but not taking a hard stance towards lynching him until it became opportunistic for him to do so.

Originally Posted by Ulleabhara (Post 4726390)

I think so!

Originally Posted by Ulleabhara (Post 4726569)

Sure thing.

Xiz

I think 517 is a misrep (Backpack specifically explained why it was important) and 534 is one of the lamest excuses for not giving your own angle I've ever seen. Even if you think it's useless to sway Hakulyte, why rebuff an opportunity to see if, I dunno, one of the 11 other players might have a more useful response? And "it's so unimportant that it shouldn't be a read"...no, it really isn't. You had your Role PM by then, yes? Then it's usable.

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4728157)

I think Jess is the perfect utr scum partner so I’m fine with a lynch there

Are we going to be able to resolve the dbp/ffa thing here? Is there any pro town reason why ffa would fake a claim like that? If its true then we need to vote dbp, but why the hesitancy to hardclaim a red check? That’s what I don’t understand

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728159)

...to see how people react to it.

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4728157)

I think Jess is the perfect utr scum partner so I’m fine with a lynch there

Are we going to be able to resolve the dbp/ffa thing here? Is there any pro town reason why ffa would fake a claim like that? If its true then we need to vote dbp, but why the hesitancy to hardclaim a red check? That’s what I don’t understand

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4728160)

Right...

So how’s that different to what xiz did?

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727470)

DBP pulling a Precarious here on the mad mechanics is meh
oh he's self aware about it. -"I hate that so many of my posts have been about this but I think it's important to establish the "why"" - this is honestly fair. even reading up, I could see myself getting caught in the argument of lynching inactives D0 vs going after active wolves, so I can relate to getting caught in it while hating that its consuming my time
#387 "I was gonna wait for Xiz to come back but I'll just elaborate on this now " good intro to a good catch on the SK thing. the only peeps thinking about SK before a flip are usually woofs tryna fish.
#420 yup yup yup DBP might be good after all
#832 vote on psycho seems to be following up on voting inactives and following Xiz. EoD -43m
Jessie
#805 jessie has had very few posts til this point. her posts contributing a relevant thought can be counted on one hand. this interaction struck me as odd for some reason so I'm including it here, starting with #805 to FG "What changed your mind?" wrt to unvoting Ulle (then "you do you, I guess" as an aside in response to FG's vote switch onto her) -> FG responds, "she won't be around" -> jess, "I mean I guess that’s okay for D0, but if you genuinely think someone is a wolf later on in the game, I don’t think them not being here for EOD should save them." -> FG, "I agree"

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727488)

That's pretty close, actually. I've only partially skimmed this phase, so I can't fully answer that buuuut

I think at this point I think Dusk is the scummiest barring slots that will resolve themselves.

As for the other two,
I'm really not sure about Jessie 'cause she's posted so little, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. She had little real content last phase, and what there was wasn't exactly insightful. FG thinks she's scummy which may be a good sheep given the check, but I'd pursue Dusk first.

DBP this phase seems better than DBP last phase, and I didn't have much against him last phase so I don't think I'd include him here yet.

I'd put Xiz well above DBP in terms of my suspicion. I really didn't like him last phase or believe his claim too much, but it does exist un-counterclaimed by either a different claim or the setup Letters, so I think it may be wise to give him more time until a contradiction in possible worlds appears.



You were aware of the postcount requirement or aware that psycho was below it?
but fair point, it ended up being a good thing that the lynch didn't fall on leetic.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727516)

why not dusk?

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727823)

Holy shit the Xiz debacle really escalated

of note is DBP waiting it out (or maybe IRL stuff came up?), MML (and later DBP) pushing Xiz on a bluff because his claimed role doesn't give him anymore info, FG having ideas I wanna talk about later, and... and Duskfall.

In the midst of the meltdown and the threats of outing shit and yada yada, my man here goes:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727876)

when did you ask me about Xiz? I'm reading, chill your beans fam

if you must know, I don't like either of the wagons right now. as far as I've read, I haven't seen anything from DBP meriting a lynch. Is his playstyle different in terms of posting more during the phase itself and less trying to control EoD? yes. Do I think it's AI? No. I like that change. I know DBP has historically been stressed thinking people *needed* him to come in at EoD and hero mode it to save town, so seeing him put it to the backburner is a welcome change. everything I've read of him so far has been aight.

Xiz I've commented on extensively in my posts thus far. I think can be resolved later as more claims come in, though after reading his more recent meltdown and recovery, I'm beginning to think his presence alone is gonna split town even if he may be town himself. I don't think there's much he can do at this state to convince certain people that he's truly town, so he'll be an easy mislynch later on if people let emotions make their decisions when claims come in and mechanical lynches becomes more crucial.

So between the two, I'd lynch Xiz over DBP if it comes to it.

I'd much rather we lynch duskfall. Say what you will about D0 reads, but I think that over and over and over again his posts dripped scumminess too many times for me to let it go. I think you can tell alignment from even one post if it betrays the underlaying intention enough, and I think his posts do that. my thoughts there are outlined in my bigger post about D0 as well.

I'm also really hesitant on accepting FG's green. A godfather almost certainly exists in this setup, and I'm normally really good at reading her. In all the games I've played with her, I don't think I've ever mislynched her as town and the one time she was wolf I caught her D0 and pushed for her lynch thru the following day phase. Aside from this phase where she's seemed more normal (perhaps due to the green check), she's really been off to me. My thoughts there are outlined in my big post from yesterday.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727927)

Xiz your latest fixation with FG stinks of another bigbrained plot and I can't deal with another. Please stop.

oh yeah jess exists. that's a fine lynch too, esp since it's become clear no one wants to follow me on Dusk

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727955)

Fine. I want Jessie to answer for herself tomorrow because I hate the absolute uncertainty of her slot

I'm gonna vote Xiz to be done with the whole nonsense

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4727975)

she's not getting lynched 'cause she's not here to speak up and account for herself and her slot.

also the tone of your last sentence and your first line don't line up for me

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728131)

aight

I'm not one for dwelling on nightkills buut I don't like that kill

the actual cause is endless wifom but it doesn't bode well in any case

does anyone else who said clearing up the Xiz question was necessary feel like maybe it wasn't necessary after all? 'cause like, I got no satisfaction from that lynch

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728133)

jessiebessie

hey jess, when you get here can you talk about anyone you feel confident about in either direction? like people you have a good feeling about or a bad feeling and why

I get that you're moving, but there's only one reason you didn't get lynched yesterday and that isn't going to be enough to skate by on this time if you don't give us enough to read you by

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728137)

not liking anything rn.

I'm with you on lynching from the Xiz wagon. it's clear that wolves are steering this game, which is making me cut down my town pile to near nil

I'm looking hardest in DBP's direction for being the one name on the Xiz wagon that I think could've orchestrated and carried out a lynch like that, and I'll admit I probably let him float more than I should've based on liking his push on xiz earlier on

not gonna lie, I'm also tinfoiling on you pretty hard. your playstyle's been super different than the town!FFA I'm used to, and while I like the change and love the more serious approach, it's much harder to read you than it used to be.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728165)

The fact that he felt the need to even mention Jessie in the first place feels like CWAC, and strengthens my read of the two as partners.

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728165)

I mean, someone provide me with an argument as to why Shado and jessie are not partners, because it is not looking good.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728166)

is shado/jess/dbp a compatible team iyo?

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4728050)

My tone is super towny and i have no agenda

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4728052)

exactly

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728172)

also I'm back for the night. just wanna share real quick that I realized while tucking the kids in that the boy had gotten ahold of the tablet passcode and charged my card $50 for a shitty minecraft clone :O
kthx for listening

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728165)

The tone doesn't sound like someone who thinks jessie is a fine lynch. Can we say flipflop?

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728165)

You said you wanted jessie to answer for herself tomorrow, yet no mention of her in your opening post?



Okay, now you're talking about jessiebessie...

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728165)

...But you want to lynch on the Xiz wagon. Which jessie is conveniently not a part of. Yeah.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728180)

wolfe, why were you not confident in jess last night

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728181)

she hasn't given me squat to be confident about
only reason I backed off is 'cause she wasn't around to claim.

though tbqh even if she does claim something today it doesn't help her fmpov unless she posts enough actual content to give me a decent readd. It's gonna be tough regardless 'cause I think FG's the only one who can confidently read her, and FG ain't around to do it. we could also just sheep FG's read on her from earlier and nuke the slot...

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728029)

if it is real, I also redchecked dbp last night

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728038)

already at L-1 lol

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728186)

hey there
I'm not claiming cop

but if I am the cop, you're the one who's dead meat lol

there's no reason for me to reaction test this
your answer is always the same, so why bother

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728187)

honestly, I've got you trapped
if I'm a wolf, I locked myself into dying in lylo
if I'm town, either you die today or you're forced to nk me and get lynched tomorrow anyway


just give it up, it's okay

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4728190)

Come on FFA fucking hardclaim your red check, otherwise formally rescind it. Otherwise you are literally wasting everyone's time and/or hard-wolfing right now.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728193)

I'm not rescinding anything today

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4728194)

So to be totally clear, with no wiggle room for any way for you to pussy out in 12 hours

Are you standing by your red check on me?

If you reply yes then you're not allowed to change your answer later

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728195)

I am not hardclaiming anything until massclaim

if I am the cop you've been redchecked

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4728196)

Yeah no shit you're not actually the cop. My concern is that you casually brought up that "you had a redcheck on me" and quite literally almost got me lynched. You said "lol he's at L-1" and didn't even unvote to stop an insta. That's not even something Hakulyte would do. It's BEYOND ass unless you're scum, when you can pretend "it was a reaction test and you guys insta'd him!!" or fuck idk maybe you were even willing to die.

If you want to lynch me build a fucking case like someone who actually plays this game instead of doing this wishy-washy bullshit.

TBH I'm actually like mad that you almost got me killed before I showed up literally just by lying to everyone. That is not ok.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728197)

I legit don't care if you get hammered because you are a wolf

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728182)

you're entertaining sheeping funnygurl (conveniently ignoring a hypothetical red check) but you weren't doing so last time
if jess doesn't show up again today do you give the slot another pass?
what's the difference between today and yesterday? Why are you afraid to lynch the slot in case of claims, but then lynch the slot that actually did claim?

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728195)

I am not hardclaiming anything until massclaim

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728201)

I'm reading your hypothetical red check rn and haven't made up my mind there yet. working my way up between other shit

if jess doesn't show up today? like at all? idk man she better, that's the whole point of giving her a chance to come in. if she doesn't, she becomes the default lynch unless we're certain of someone else. is a modkill too much to pray for in that case? anyway

"but then lynch the slot that actually did claim" you act like you weren't shading him as much as the rest. I at least starting buying what he was selling close to the end there, but had no good options. to answer your question though, Xiz had already used his shot, so utility wise he was as valuable as vanilla. and he had made such a clusterfuck of thread that keeping him alive seemed like it had become either stupid or dangerous. nobody wanted to lynch duskfall, and the Xiz wagon composition seemed appealing. it had my only diehard townread, the claimed cop, and DBP, who seemed to be onto something and said he wasn't seeing what I was seeing in Xiz' changed attitude.

by the time I'd decided to go Xiz over jesse, the wagons were close to decided, so its not like I tipped the scales in any way anyhow. then bolth votes and my vote becomes a total token vote (hammer), which is why it's lightweight funny anyone's taking my name on the wagon as me steering it.

especially since its that and simultaneously my "lack of thread presence", which is either a contradiction or I'm a god

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728200)

Why would a wolf suicide themselves by calling a red check on someone ?

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4728203)

What's with "is a modkill too much to pray for in that case"? If she's town, that has the potential to put us in MyLo?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4728204)

Fuck if I know, I literally only know the result that he is lying to you

After the Xiz lynch who was the most likely lynch today? Either jessie or me, I guess. I'll have to check that again. But if it's a FFA/jessie team, my guess is that Jessie is a powerful role and FFA is a one-shot/useless role and FFA is actively protecting/deflecting away from a Jessie lynch to buy an extra phase with MY lynch, and FFA knows he's gonna die but at least it's not Jessie, a strong wolf PR. He would be trading himself to protect the Jessie slot, and in doing so ALSO gets a free lynch on a prominent townie.

---Other than that, in the early phase it looked like I was going to die instantly but he never actually FORMALLY CLAIMED. Like I brought up earlier, all he has to do is "lol guys it was just a test! you guys lynched him!! I wasn't actually hardclaiming!!" to get out of his lie. Since tomorrow potentially is LYLO, all he would need to do is convince ONE OF YOU that he's not a wolf... pocket someone, stir doubt, etc.

But for fuck's sake he's lying and he's too afraid to admit that he's lying because he know it will make him look bad. I am trying to force FFA to formally commit to/rescind his fakeclaim so that I can nail him to the cross or otherwise move the fuck on.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728208)

My main concern is if this is a meme T/T.

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728155)

I get that you have a lot to do but this just isn't true
I wanted to lynch xiz day 1, stopped when they claimed PR, and stopped again yesterday when I realized we literally didn't have to lynch the slot to resolve it

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728210)

I feel like this is just delaying the phase and wasting time.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728200)

Why would a wolf suicide themselves by calling a red check on someone ?

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4728215)

If he really was a PR and wanted a massclaim then would just hardclaim and fuck DBP right now

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4728204)

Fuck if I know, I literally only know the result that he is lying to you

After the Xiz lynch who was the most likely lynch today? Either jessie or me, I guess. I'll have to check that again. But if it's a FFA/jessie team, my guess is that Jessie is a powerful role and FFA is a one-shot/useless role and FFA is actively protecting/deflecting away from a Jessie lynch to buy an extra phase with MY lynch, and FFA knows he's gonna die but at least it's not Jessie, a strong wolf PR. He would be trading himself to protect the Jessie slot, and in doing so ALSO gets a free lynch on a prominent townie.

---Other than that, in the early phase it looked like I was going to die instantly but he never actually FORMALLY CLAIMED. Like I brought up earlier, all he has to do is "lol guys it was just a test! you guys lynched him!! I wasn't actually hardclaiming!!" to get out of his lie. Since tomorrow potentially is LYLO, all he would need to do is convince ONE OF YOU that he's not a wolf... pocket someone, stir doubt, etc.

But for fuck's sake he's lying and he's too afraid to admit that he's lying because he know it will make him look bad. I am trying to force FFA to formally commit to/rescind his fakeclaim so that I can nail him to the cross or otherwise move the fuck on.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4728219)

Oh did we keep him alive until F3? Well i said he was a wolf! Lynch him

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728217)

Duskfall/FFA/Bolth.

A reasonable wolf team ?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4728221)

I would replace one of Dusk/Bolt with jessie I think

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4728222)

Dusk and Bolt are both in weird spots atm. Bolt's posts got better and dusk's got worse over the course of the game

bolt directly calling out dusk could be a distancing attempt sure, but there's little incentive for them to do that when they could just capitalize on Xiz or w/e instead of drawing attention to themselves