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Yeah, Dusk was the only one to stay on. Bolth and Haku were like "I don't want anything to do with this"
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Following leetic is just the natural thing to do at this juncture. |
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I literally answered this question just before when haku asked
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@leetic
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Pretty sure Bolth had the same reflex as me here.
"I don't want to insta at the beginning of the phase without others having a chance to talk etc." |
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I feel like this game is going to be about solving Bolth vs ShadoWolfe while Duskfall/Jessie goes rip.
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I secretly want to town read Bolth over having a similar game as me, but idk if Bolth having a similar game is a good thing or not for Bolth.
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Bolth at least was the first to unvote, a little before Mikey had pointed out that they were at L-1, so that's something. |
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Dusk even posted after it was at L-1 and didn't unvote. Scummy AF.
There was a second time DBP got to L-1 but no wolf finished him off. Maybe I should look into that. |
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I also sheeped Xiz on that because Xiz usually have really good reads. |
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Xiz is like the 80% win rate guy while I'm one of the weakest TWG players on this site.
My ability to convince and push wagons is subpar even if I think I may or may not be right about something. Pls keep that in mind here. People tend to town read because they generally know that I'm one of the easier players to solve. It's very standard for me to both be constantly town read and to make it to F3 because town have an easy time solving me and wolves really want my poor decision making in a mylo scenario. Just sayin' because I think it's your first game with me. |
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Haku was there. Bolth was there. Even jessie was there. If any of them would've wanted to end DBP, and it would have been worth it as scum since Mikey would be the obvious choice to lynch, they would have done it. This is why I doubt DBP. If he's town, that narrows it to Duskfall, Shado, and MML as the team. Any other combination and he would be dead. |
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I don't think a wolf would confidently hammer here right in the middle of a phase.
They would almost always die the next phase. |
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Leetic keep in mind Jessie wasn’t caught up with the thread according to her and she was supposedly rereading shit from ages ago by the time people unvoted from DBP
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Feels like wolves just played it safe and voted at the end of the phase.
They probably didn't need to worry because most likely T/T (?) |
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Actually, forget Bolth here.
I'm surprised ShadoWolfe priorized Xiz here. |
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I feel like Shado/Jessie/MML would make more sense than Shado/Dusk/MML, but I'd be living in the no kill world.
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Jessie would be like the eternal "I'll look into her next phase".
MML would be the "I forgot I'm a RB" meme with a lucky hypocop. Shado would be just playing your basic safe game with minimal stance on who is what. |
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I'm more comfortable explaining why by explaining why everyone else is town tbh.
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Like what in the world would wolves roleblock besides DBP in that world and why ?
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Also, if Duskfall was the wolf roleblocker, then why is there not another wolf doing the NK ?
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If 2 roleblockers roleblock each others, but the wolf roleblocker is also doing a NK on that town player, does the town block succeed or they die ?
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I don't even think I would stack all the actions on one wolf unless there's 2 town roleblockers.
I'm really failing to see DBP/MML as W/T because I don't think this is a play they would go for. Postgame may prove me wrong. |
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I think a town roleblocker cannot stop the NK if they're roleblocked even if they target the NK correctly.
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Tempted to say Duskfall is a caught wolf and Shadow/Jessie are the remaining two.
MML being a weird false positive. Bolth would be a 2nd awkward town that behaved similarly to me. |
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It would be nice if Duskfall/Jessie would hard claim something tho.
I'm not expecting much at that point. |
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I suggest looking up how the 2nd phase unfolded for ShadoWolfe to understand his equity with Jessie and intentions overall.
The guy is really good at holding a safe objective game. It made me feel like he wasn't with Bolth as well. |
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Shado/Jessie/Dusk is the only team that makes sense with all the variables together for me.
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In that world, MML would have gotten roleblocked and Duskfall would have failed his NK.
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Still not completely confident with my take.
Hopefully someone can read and compare Bolth with the above and potentially have something even better. |
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Well, I'm done spamming.
I hope you understand where my head is at. |
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The one thing that prevents me from throwing Dusk to the fire right now is that no one (except Dusk himself) seems to have a problem with a Dusk lynch. The easiest lynch on -yLo is rarely the right one.
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I feel like the wolf plan is to just afk and watch town wolf read me over trying to solve stuff and not being 100% correct on everything flawlessly.
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Do we have a common denominator that we're more confident than Dusk as "always a wolf or almost?"
If you think there's a safer lynch here, that could get priorized with the goal of potentially reaching that game state where town gets out of mylo. |
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DBP is the one making this complicated. I've established that if he was town, MML/Dusk/Shado would have to be the team since otherwise scum would have hammered him. However, it makes no sense for scum to bus based on a check they know is fake, so if DBP is scum, DBP/Shado/jessie would have to be the team. Maybe Shado is the safest option.
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I remember that in the game where I wolfed with a similar setup, town knew 100% that there was X amount of wolves in PRs and X amount of wolves in VTs.
If that can be done here, that would really help things. |
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And I remember this is not the first time I brought up a potential DBP/Shado/jessie team either!
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Self-note: I've read my wolf game and I don't understand how others town read me easily after reading it.
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Probably doing something fundamentally wrong that I don't realize.
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But then again Haku spams so many possibilities I'm kind of done trying to figure out what his stance actually is. Ask him to clarify and half the time you just get meme'd. It's getting really old. Anyhow I'm fine with either Dusk or Jessie. Keep in mind that bussing is a big thing on FFR, so if the lynch looks obvious partners may just be willing to let it go and we're right for the right reasons. Like to me you guys are just putting Shado in worlds because youre paranoid it couldn't be as easy as Jessie -> Dusk -> 50/50 on Haku and Bolth, and not for any actual reason to scumread him. Weird way to solve. |
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How would you go about trying to entertain a town read on anyone within Dusk/Jessie/Shado/Bolth/me ?
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Stuff like Jessie/Dusk/Bolth is completely possible.
The moment you have a group like that, you have to entertain that the rest of the players are town and if it makes sense together. That's what I keep trying to do with world and if I feel like the interactions don't make sense, I back off from it. It's a frustrating process. |
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My stance is literally "I don't know what I'm doing, but here's a bunch of thoughts on how things could be".
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Idt mml realises I'm from Ireland and it was 3am when I signed off
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Why are people calling my slot hard to read when every dead slot has me as town btw, sounds like a you guys problem if you can't read me
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I'm VT btw
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Update i am deciding between voting dbp or haku now, i was gonna vote haku last night but im shifting my thought process to dbp
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I think it’s possible that wolves took that risk, but it feels like a huge gamble considering how close they are to winning. |
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I’m scum-reading both here. |
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Alright, so let me know where you're at. So you think Bolth is scum because he didn't share reads?
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Just saying, the way you are "solving" the situation seems simplistic
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