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TWG V: Red Alert! (Human Day 4 Victory?)
Anyone who locks this topic for any non-moderatorial reason gets booted from the game as soon as I notice it.
Anyone who posts during the night for ANY REASON gets booted from the game as soon as I notice it. If you're a mod and find someone dicking around in the topic in the middle of the night, lock it, topic split all the crap posts out, send them into the Garbage Bin, and show me/let me know when you next see me. This is your only warning. And trust me, I'll have no problem getting replacements, so don't test me. :x k I had to make some entry-allowance decisions based on many factors. Please don't hate me if you're not on the list, I didn't anticipate all the problems I would run into by going to focus on something else for a while. =\ List of pplz: Kefit CypherToorima blahblah18 Moogy lightdarkness roopert alainbryden Chardish Tasselfoot evilbutterfly Afrobean sleeplessdragn QreepyBORIS whorlichan Snapps GuidoHunter --- "There has been explosion in Tesla Block C! Hurry and call guards!" The fifth attack on a Soviet Tesla Reactor this week was enough to make Premier Alexander Romanov take notice of this unknown threat. "Bah! Those foul Americans, coming in here with their spies, trying to ruin Soviet war effort through cowardly underhanded tactics! I will not stand for this! It is time to nip this problem in bud." An investigation of the most recent explosion revealed that 16 conscripts/workers had been in the area at the time. These 16 people were confined to a prison, where Romanov decided to take action. He whipped out a cell phone and dialed. "General Boris! It is good you are in Soviet area these days, as I am needing your help. Come by Moscow Maximum Security Prison tomorrow, I have important job for you." "Da, Comrade Premier. I assure you I will not fail your request." The 16 prisoners were left there overnight, each wondering what was going on. Romanov had ordered their treatment to be more lenient than standard prisoners, so the night wasn't terrible. Still, no one wants to spend their time on the wrong side of prison bars. The next day, Russia's finest in-field soldier, General Boris, arrived at the prison. Romanov had only arrived 5 minutes ago himself, and commended Boris for not keeping his Premier waiting. Romanov explained his problem as the two made their way toward the prisoners. When they arrived at the prison block where the 16 were held, Boris already had a solution Romanov was pleased with. "So, it seems we have dirty American agents in our midst today. Such a problem is not to be tolerated. But a question remains: how to rid ourselves of them? Both our Premier and myself are fully confident in the intellect of Soviet citizens, so we will have the 16 of you decide among yourselves, every day, who you think is most likely candidate for being a traitor. Once you have reached a verdict, I will eliminate this traitor myself, to make sure they never foul Soviet land again. Do you all agree to this strategy?" A chorus of "da"s went up from the assembled prisoners. Anything was better than being left to rot in a prison. "Very well then. I have important business to take care of today, but I will return tomorrow, and that is when we will start process of elimination." Boris left, followed by Romanov, who needed to get back to the Kremlin. He, also, had important business that day. The 16 people looked around nervously, not sure what to expect of each other, when the prison guards told them it was time for sleep. --- Aside from two normal wolves, the following special roles have been assigned to random people: Tanya (Master Wolf): Tanya isn't America's best soldier for nothing, and she is quite proficient at stealth tactics. Combine that with her Russian name, and she will be very hard to identify as an American. Thus, she will show up as human if checked by the seer. Guard Dog (Seer): A dog somehow got mistaken for a conscript. Don't look at me, I wasn't a part of the guards that rounded these people up. Anyway, this dog is perfect for snipping out enemy spies, but given the harsh conditions of the prison, it can only check one person a night. Flak Trooper (Guardian): As he was a defense-oriented soldier as Russia needed him before, he has decided to a defense-oriented soldier as Russia needs him now. He has taken it upon himself to protect one person a night from any harm which may befall them. Crazy Ivan (Vigilante): This guy is a loose cannon and a half. Willing to blow up just about anything, don't be surprised if he has a stick of dynamite hidden somewhere on his person, one that he can use to kill someone in broad daylight if he feels such is necessary. Of course, once he does so, the guards will likely search him and take away anything else he has that could be considered lethal. If the person that has the Vigilante role is confused about anything, feel free to ask me and I'll explain. It is now Night 1. Everyone that needs to send me a PM, do so. Note that the Vigilante, much like the Psychic, does not need to send me a PM. |
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The prisoners awoke to a horrible sight. Someone had slit the throat of Comrade Kefit overnight without anyone noticing. Everyone recoiled in fear at the body, with his eyes rolled up and throat still dripping in blood. Needless to say, when he arrived, General Boris was furious. "What is meaning of this? Who dares to take coward's path and kill innocent civilians while they are locked up in prison? I will not stand for it! You! Survivors! You will decide who I kill today, because I fear if I chose I may kill everyone in my rage. Begin making your choices!" The thought of a very angry Boris was not what the already-frightened prisoners needed, and they huddled in fear. Boris' eyes narrowed. "Do not make me repeat myself." That was enough motivation for everyone, and they began to decide who they thought could have perpetrated this deed... --- CypherToorima blahblah18 Moogy lightdarkness roopert alainbryden Chardish Tasselfoot evilbutterfly Afrobean sleeplessdragn QreepyBORIS whorlichan Snapps GuidoHunter 15 people, so 8 votes is an instalynch. Note that an insta-lynch can happen at any time - there is no 24-hour waiting period in this game. You get 60 hours to vote. Vote wisely. --- In case you're curious as to how the Vigilante works, there is one person out there who can kill anyone they want during any given day period (not night). They post that they are the Vigilante, state who they are going to kill, and that person is removed from the game. (Note that the host publicly confirms the role - the wolves can't lie because I'll point out that they're not the Vigilante.) The Vigilante gets only one kill, and after that they are no different from a normal human except everyone knows they're innocent. It has also come to my attention that people have been asking others about their PMs because of roles having keywords. Rather than tell people to stop, I'll just list all the roles here so anyone can lie if they want to. Conscript - Human GI - Wolf Tanya - Master Wolf Guard Dog - Seer Flak Trooper - Guardian Crazy Ivan - Vigilante --- And for the sake of tradition...  PLACE VOTES NOW |
Well it had to be Kilga, he's obviously the master wolf! [/bringing up last game]
And damn, I feel sorry for Kefit. Twice in a row he gets killed...and well, no votes from me now, because I have no idea, especially since it's day one of my very first game. I'll wait and see... |
Ok, I'm not playing this game, to let everyone know. I didn't know when the signups were and missed them.
Just want to say good luck. Why didn't you kill Tass first? Q |
Two reasons why tass wasn't killed. Wolves didn't go for him because they would think he would be gaurdianed, or he's a wolf (stating the obvious).
Bah, kefit was killed again, but why. |
I don't know... he's definately not the obvious choice.. But then again, when is an obvious choice ever made?
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kefit must talk to one or more of the wolves a bit and know them enough to know if they are acting a bit odd. Maybe. Of course, there is always the reverse psychology part of it, trying to pin the blame on people who do talk to kefit alot, just like in the last game.
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Why was he killed last game? To make people assume it was Kilga, perhaps? That can't apply this time because he's not playing, so I bet Kefit will be REALLY pissed off when he sees this.
And Cypher, they should have gone for Tass first. Seeing as to what happened last game (Tass got protected so much and it hurt the humans) the Guardian is probably wary of protecting him. Plus, the chances of him being a wolf are pretty slim. If he turns up as wolf, I'll definitly be surprised. Anywho, back to Kefit. Why kill him? Does anybody here have close ties with him? I mean, I would have thought they would pick another person for a first night kill... EDIT: Just for your info, my aim sn is evilbutterfly87. I don't have it shown here because newbs would IM me to death, but you guys can contact me about the game if you want. |
i told Q at the start of game 2 that had i been a wolf again, i'd have killed him again on night 1. partially for cynical humor, partially because i feared him as a player, and partially to take suspicion away from myself.
when i saw kefit was killed again, i laughed. the cynical humor is amazingly funny in my opinion. also, kefit is a decent choice to kill because we assume he is above the average intelligence, yet still a low probability to be guardianed. also, on the off chance that kilga didn't randomly choose roles, kefit would most likely have a role. and lastly, since chardish and i killed kefit last game, this would be a good chance to pin blame on me. chardish too, assuming he is human. |
Still, Tass is an extremely important person to the humans if that's what he is. the Guardian would be wise to protect him for a bit unless he has a good reason not too. At any rate, I would try to avoid AIM alliances, since we know those can be easily taken advantage of. You can always talk with people on AIM, but don't automatically assume they are human. like blah said to me, these are smart people playing. I'm sure this won't be an easy win for either side.
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Well, maybe Tass has a good point that they are trying to pin the blame on him and Chardish.
Or maybe the wolves are morons and picked Kefit because he's first on the list. I found that funny, because I looked up to see who all was playing and who might have killed him, and there he is at the top of the list. Just a random thought that maybe the wolves aren't smart like last time, but I doubt that. And honestly, if I was a wolf (which I so wouldn't be able to pull off. I'm freaking out about acting suspicious as it is, as I told blah earlier) I would have hit Tass first. Then again (just thought of this) if he was killed he wouldn't be here for people to be suspicious of, and if he had been saved by the guardian the same would be true, plus the wolves would have lost a kill. Still, in my not-so-goodness in the game, I would have killed him first night (or at least tried to). |
well, i wish you were a wolf then EB.... because myself and chardish are by far the most likely to be guardianed... therefore, trying to kill me on night 1 gives a really good shot of me warding off the attack and letting the entire game know i'm human from the start. if that isn't an advantage for the humans... i don't know of one.
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If not you, then why not chardish. I mean, the hard question is why did they pick kefit. I hate the first day. There isn't much to go off of
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haha do not incur the wrath of the moderator... for he shall strike ye down with a swift vegeance
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just doing what y'all were saying about LD last game... and, my logic makes sense if the picks aren't random. and, no... i don't think you hand picked anything.
plus blah... kilga ain't no mod. oh shizzle. |
Game Modearator... snaps
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I wish you would've given a time when sign-ups were coming. I would have joined, and Q would have, too. Oh well. Good luck everyone. |
Yeah, Tass, I'd be a terrible wolf =\
True, the Kefit question is the big deal. My vote this round will most likely be either fairly random or a complete bandwagon vote, because I have nothing to go off of. Although, I doubt it was Afrobean, because he's new to the game and would have went for Tass just like I said I would have. Besides, I'd like to think my friend isn't a wolf... |
Ok, my vote is semi random, but I have something behind it.
In Kilgas first post, he said 2 of the wolfs he hand picked. I was going to vote Kefit as a wolf, because Kilga would've given his buddy a special role. But obviously not, considering he is dead. So i'm going off the comment Kilga made in the sign ups thread. He said he hoped qreepy was back in time for the sign ups. Meaning he wanted qreepy in the game. So my vote goes for Qreepy, because I think Kilga may have chosen him as a wolf. |
Since im a bit late in the acton I was still wondering why kefit would be the first to go. Usually Kefit could carry it out to a far point in the game.
EDIT: So I vote Qreepy just to see where this is going. Maybe something will come out of it. |
I think the wolves killed kefit because they know he is very close to kilga, and maybe thought kilga would leak who the wolves were to him. Not that I think Kilga would do something like that, just a possibility. Kefit is also smart enough that it's a plus to get rid of him. It is quite the bummer he got knocked out first time both games though lol. (Uhhh is kefit a male or female? I don't want to keep referring to (s)he as a male and find out its a woman. :X)
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WHAT. THE. FUCK. That is all. |
Kefit is a male human. YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO TALK THOUGH SO EDIT AND SAY GOODBAH :p
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kefit==male kefit == person whom just recently posted a pic in other forum, take a look to stare your dead comrade in the eyes
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um, correct me if im wrong, but didn't kilga randomly select all the roles? wasnt he just saying that along with the two normal wolves other "special" roles were assigned?
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Aren't these the special roles?
Conscript - Human GI - Wolf Tanya - Master Wolf Guard Dog - Seer Flak Trooper - Guardian Crazy Ivan - Vigilante |
I dunno LD, I don't think he would have hand-picked them, especially considering his reaction to the suggestion of him hand-picking. Plus, isn't Qreepy the one who was all excited that it was RA? Then again, your logic is better than nothing...but I'm not gonna bandwagon with it, at least not yet. I'll see what kind of trouble that vote stirs up before I make any decisions...
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ld, roles we not hand picked.
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Since this is my second time playing, first time actually getting to have a role, I might be off a bit. As in deciding on who to vote for and such. But i will try my best.
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why aren't you logged in as Snapps? ..
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Because I am at school.
Hence, Snapps_atschool. |
i could make one called taht though.. and that woudl suck and cause lots of problems.. .thats all i'm saying
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why don't you just log on with your regular at school. I don't have a Cypher at home or cypher at a friends house.
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WHAT THE HELL
I did not give anyone special treatment just because of who they were or what they've done. And this was how I chose the roles: //roll-dice3-sides16 //roll-dice1-sides13 //roll-dice1-sides12 //roll-dice1-sides11 k? thx. bai |
I was just going by what you said.
You said other than the 2 normal wolves, the rest of the roles were random. So I assumed from that line, that the 2 normal wolves were hand selected by you. |
just a misinterpratation folks.. nothing to see here... I hope other people start posting
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Oh, that.
Sorry, I did not mean to imply that I chose two wolves by hand. I can understand how that line could be construed as such, but rest assured that it is not the case. ps lol @ three pages and one vote |
I remember game two exploded on day one. It was hard to read all of that >.>
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I vote Kilga.
y elz wud keffit dy lol u no??/psyche |
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You vote Qreepy because of...completely circumstancial evidence that occurred before the game started and ended up being a misunderstanding in the first place?
Yeah, that'll get you somewhere. If you're a wolf. Snapps. |
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Snapps and Qreepy... for the sake of the humans (assuming you both are), don't get pissy and into a catfight just because someone votes for you. good logic or otherwise. Qreepy, you've played in every single game so far.... you've learned how this game works. Snapps was going off of LDs misinformed assumptions in his voting for you. you should explain that to him instead of getting into a pissing contest and voting for him right back.
votes need to be based off of evidence, or strong circumstance... not vengance. |
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The circumstances: Kilga wanted me specifically to have a slot in the game. Some people thought Kilga would hand-pick two of the wolves. Combine the above two circumstances, and you can easily reason that "Kilga wants Qreepy to be a wolf". Now, I explain how both are BS reasons. Kilga wanted me to be in this because I (1) Love TWG, but mostly because (2) I love RA2. Lots. :D The whole reasoning behind me being a hand-picked wolf fall apart because of that. And as if that weren't enough, it turns out that all roles were decided with random generators. Snapps, the person I am voting against, took this to be logic, and is not changing it after refutation. The only truly better votes than voting against me are LD and himself. The reasons behind voting for LD are rather weak, and I doubt he will vote for himself. So, why vote for me at all, in the first place? Change it to a vote that is actually "random", as you claim yours to have been. EDIT: LD, that's fine. Tass, who better is there to vote for right now than someone who casts a poor vote and keeps it? EDIT AGAIN: I've played TWG alot before I have online, you know, Tass. -_- Irrelevant, though, cause it's 100% different on the net. And strong circumstances are not available for this one. Should nobody vote this round? We...we could try that. But that would be boring. |
After much deliberation, I decided that since the first day's vote is going to be pretty much random, I'd let an AIM chat "//roll" decide for me. Thanks to Kilga, because without his showing how he decided special roles, I wouldn't have been able to remember how to roll strange dice.
Anyway, AIM's 16 sided die came up 7, and the seventh member on the list is alainbryden. Sorry, alain. I really have nothing against you. |
or do you :)
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o_O I never liked aim
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I really need to learn how to balance all that. Until then, I hope people take it for what it is: I suck at this game :( Hell, the whole last game I thought Qreepy was a wolf and never suspected Tass (well, until that last post. From now on, I'm definitly saying less unless there's something needing to be said. Oh, and as to who I'm voting for...I may do the random thing, but I'll roll two dice and wait till I hit doubles. Whatever number it is then I will vote for (just seems more like fate that way, I think). I'll edit this if nobody has posted to cast my vote. EDIT: Rolled 15 sided dice because, well, Kefit is dead. Pretty crazy that I got doubles on my 2nd roll. *OnlineHost*: evilbutterfly87 rolled 2 15-sided dice: 12 6 *OnlineHost*: evilbutterfly87 rolled 2 15-sided dice: 5 5 So I go to the list, and 5th one down (excluding Kefit) is....roopert. Sorry man, not that this vote will get anything done. It's just temporary until I can get me some good evidence. |
Qreepy im still keeping my vote for you and you should keep your vote for me also.
I only have you as a vote not for any reasons, I only want to see what would come out of this vote and surely it helped so far. |
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I USED YOU FOR INFO. Omg..its not hard XD
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Evilbutterfly is new and he may be using the fact that he's a new player to push this concept of him just being a bad player, in the goal of deflecting suspicion since his behaviour is 'too' obvious. This may also be something more experienced wolves are advising him to do since they would know it is hard to determine what is 'unusual' behaviour for a new player. Again, not making any firm accusation at all, just supporting my hypothesis. Either way, if the seer out there doesn't have any better leads, I would reccomend taking a look at evilbutterfly for night two.
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You neglected to change your vote. |
No, I'm still keeping my vote as is. Once I vote I won't change it.
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Alright, I can take that, but please, don't capitalize my name!! (sorry, it bugs me)
EDIT: this was at alain |
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Plus, nobody, and I mean nobody, who was not a wolf would admit to one person, let alone the full public in the thread, that they were "testing" something. That sets my bullshit detector off like nothing else. That's because it is complete and utter bullshit. Is it supposed to make you look more human? It sure doesn't to me. My vote stands. EDIT: Tass got to my quoted section first. |
I agree completely with Tass...
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Snapps comment was very suspicious(SP?).
Might change my vote based on that comment, but i'll wait until others have a chance to charm in on what he said. |
Snapps seems a little more stupid than wolfish to me. No offense. However, your logic for never changing your vote is highly stupid and if there is no one else better to vote for this round, my vote goes to you because i'd rather get rid of a stupid human/wolf than a random human obviously.
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(Sorry I'm in so late. Class & RL, including the 101 freeway, do get in the way.) |
Snapps until better evidence for someone else.
If he's human, we don't need someone who votes on purely circumstantial evidence and then refuses to change his vote for no reason after receiving adequate info to the contrary. If he's a wolf, well, duh. Qreepy is suspicious as well. I will never, ever, ever, ever trust Tasselfoot in a TWG, either. |
Roopert, Whorli, you mind bolding those "Snapps"s?
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heh those aren't votes man
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That's what it's looking like, I know.
But their accusatory tone and suspicion kinda make it seem like they want him out. Plus I want him out and bolding those in would be greaaaat. |
I'm thinking Snapps is just being moronic.. kinda like what roopert said.. so I'm thinkin he ain't a wolf, cuz then other wolves woudl have told him to shut up by now...moogy was the whole never trusting tass random? or was there a post I missed?
If we assume snapps is just a stupid human, can't we safely ignore him and narrow down the search? I wil l vote for him if i truly have no inkling at the end, cuz if its gonna be random, i'd oust a hindrance.. but I won't keep myself from looking, and none of yo usohuld either |
Snapps is being a fantastically clueless idiot at this point, but he's certainly not a wolf. I don't think EB or Qreepy are wolves either, because they've been in the fray far too much. Usually wolves want to stay mostly silent and out of the way, safe in the realization that they are free from suspicion.
In TWG, this is what is known as a "war" between two players, and their constant bickering usually prevents the humans from getting a wolf for a while. The wolves usually sit tight and let this go on - after all, the wolves just need to kill humans to win, so if two humans get in a cockfight, who cares who wins. There was some real evidence already put on the table in this game. You guys all missed it, and it was on Page 1. Quote:
WOLF ALARM WOLF ALARM Remember. The wolves want me dead just as much as they want Tass dead, and currently the guardian keeps them from being able to risk getting either of us - both of us are very, very likely to be guardianed. So why would Cypher insist that Tass be guarded? Probably he wants the coast to be cleared so he can off me tonight, possessing a slightly greater assurance that Tass would be saved rather than me? And if that weren't enough, the little "if that's what he is" really rubs me the wrong way. Almost if he knows full well Tass is human and is trying to hide the fact that he knows it from the general population. (Note: if you're wondering why I believe Tass is human, if Cypher is a wolf it naturally follows that Tass would be human.) And in addition, the "protect him for a bit" is quite shifty. If Tass is protected every night (like he was last game) that leaves the wolves free to kill whomever they want without fear of repercussions. |
I don't think him saying he was testing is bad. Not changing his vote after the fact, however, is bad. I don't wanna change my random vote until Snapps has a chance to refute, so I'll wait on that.
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Changing vote to Chardish. His last post pretty much announced it, and he is infinitely more dangerous than anyone else on the wolf team could be.
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I personally do think he is a wolf.
If he turns out not to be, he is certainly a hindrance. And we know what just one hindrance can do in a game of TWG. Tny in last game illustrates this beautifully. Given, that was his first game, but this is Snapps's second, which is no better at all, in my eyes. So, if he is a wolf, and we kill him, wonderful. If he is not, and we kill him, it's really not as bad as you would think--indeed, it could be beneficial, though one might argue that there is no sense in targetting a human at all. But since the evidence points to him being a wolf, well, it would be the bigger win in the win-win situation of voting him off. Review all of the evidence against him. You'll see. EDIT: Moogy said what I meant in like a quarter of the words, with 4 times more coherency. Read his post as a synopsis of mine (except the part where he is suspicious of me :P). Man, it's only 9:15, and I'm dead on my feet. |
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My interpretation of what Snapps said was that he isn't a total idiot.. no one coudl be that stupid, and he meant he has a role to play.. such as in the first game he was killed night 1? I can only assume he meant that, and not that his IQ is under 70.. |
If you say straight out that you have a role, you are fucking stupid, and that's the end of the story. Well, at least 90% of the time.
And why are you going so far out of your way to defend him? THAT doesn't make sense to me.... |
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Changing vote back to Snapps in favor of eliminating him.
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