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All hail President Trump...?

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lol, gg americans

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Worst country dumbass Americans

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Current results are highly biased towards whichever states have their results in first.

A few high vote states aren't in yet.

Just wanted to point that out.

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Just tuned in. Florida looks pretty decent for Trump so far. That'd be huge... What a world.

-o24

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Florida's already been called for Trump

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Did they call it already? I dunno. I'm watching a CNN stream and I don't think they've called it yet. Last call I heard was Colorado for Hillary.

Edit: Stream is 3 minutes behind.

-o24

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Pretty crazy, this election

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I honestly cannot believe what I'm seeing. Has the whole world gone insane?

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Nah, just America.

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I'm not watching any coverage, but the live numbers provided by google indicate electoral votes won when in fact a small percentage of the population in many states, even less than average voter turn out would indicate, have been counted.

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well if trackers are to be believed

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Also most super official state of Washington representative here to say if we don't go blue that'd literally be a historical event. It's not much but it's something. :3

He says as we skew red.

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Lookin' pretty Trumpy...



In other news Dow futures are down by 750 points and counting.
Which makes me think... what if Trump ran for president so that he could tank the markets and clean up by shorting the Dow? THE LONGEST CON

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I don't think Trump is smart enough for that one. Grab and hold though. Easy money on either side.

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I am livid that Rubio got reelected for the Senate :/ He did fucking nothing when he got elected the first time.

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SeemsGood

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The system is rigged

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RECOUNT

MOVE TO CANADA

etc.

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The fact that this could go to the congressional districts to decide a 268/269 split is insane.

-o24

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I'm glad for president Trump

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Looks like the GOP might be taking it all this year (Presidency, House, Senate)

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Presidency isn't set in stone for sure, and senate *could* go blue but yeah house is unsurprisingly sticking with them.

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Candidate who focused on trade and the economy is facing a 700 point drop in Dow futures because he is winning ...

Hmm

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that's the brexit effect, that's not sticking around.

granted I'm constantly talking out of my ass about these things so maybe don't trust me, but I get the feeling reliable sources will say it's not sticking around.

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There's not much reason as of yet that it should stick around.

That and indices closed strong all around. I wouldn't be surprised to see a poor open but there's no real indicators of decline yet. Futures can be extremely manipulable as you have to get something out of the contract. They'd decline not just if the DOW is expected to decline but if it is expected to not come back up in time to meet deadlines, which is a much wider condition.

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Trump represents a potential shift in the status quo of American's representation by government. Hillary is the status quo again. Trump is more of a symbol of American's frustration with the system in place now. Neither are great, but Trump represents a higher probability of change. Will that change be good or bad? We'll have to see if he wins. But it's cool to see the people have a voice through Trump.

-o24

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meanwhile i'm looking up rent costs in japan.

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I'm really happy that we're giving the guy that's in charge of electrocuting LGBT+ individuals for the sake of conversion therapy the title and power of Vice President.

I'm really happy.

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Im happy we won't be pandering to Islam anymore in order to prevent more orlando shootings

WhooooooHOOOO

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I detect 0 sarcasms. Plural.

I mean I like the viewpoint and yeah sticking with the status quo isn't going to make things better but...

nobody really liked that "fuck the system" kid either.

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Really expensive.

In other news: I think I'm going to take up wine as a hobby.

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I'm devastated that legislation that could very easily be enacted by a republican controlled house, senate and presidency is almost certain to result in the deaths of people I care about.

Whooo.....Hoo?

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I'm glad that you think being petty and above us is great.

But maybe let's consider the possibility that even though you aren't in danger, that maybe there is still in fact danger?

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such salty tears.. so tasty.. nom nom nom nom

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You know when you read something a good 10 times and that even though it doesn't sound bad in your head, it has such dissonance every time, that it must be serious.

Solipsism intensifying over here.

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Ignorance is bliss, I guess. I hope you enjoy the rest of your night.

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Trump won. 277-219

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Nationalism, not globalism, will be our credo.

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untz untz untz untz

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That's uh...not all the college votes.

232 for Clinton almost certainly. She'll win New Hampshire and Minnesota.

They'll probably demand a recount of PA and FL as well, not that I expect it will accomplish anything besides an attempt at face-saving.

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I mean, math aside, Trump is the POTUSE.

I'm going to do my best to ignore that for 4 years until I have to weigh in myself.

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I guess barring something unexpected and dramatic, the best hope now is that he can only do so much damage in 2 years before midterm elections?

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The next US President's trial for raping a 13 year old girl is on the 16th of December.

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sorry sweetheart, that lawsuit got dropped a few days ago try again

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untz untz untz untz

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I really don't know what's going to happen now.

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tfw people think either candidate being elected is a victory

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I like the part where, over the past few hours, all my liberal friends have suddenly and passionately realized the appeal of limited government.

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I mean I know the house and senate are republican and the SC will likely be too now. But checks and balances is a thing and i feel like people are blind to that fact. Even with republicans in congress, a vast majority won't support any wild and insane social policies. I don't understand Clinton supporters losing their minds about what Trump is going to do to LGBT (especially this group), minorities, and women. "Roe v Wade is in danger", is that a joke? Come on...Trump is focused on the economic revival of this country. "He hasn't paid federal taxes in years". Because he was a private citizen? You wouldn't either if you could avoid it; he can fix this nonsense considering he clearly knows how it operates (poorly). Decreasing regulation on the upper class makes sense if you have ANY economic understanding at all. "They need to pay more because theyre rich!!!!". This does YOU no good. It simply gives the gov't a few million more dollars to do jack with. The wealthy class in this country are the ones paying your salaries. They can't afford to increase these wages given the regulation theyre under. "You support child labor". No, the countries with cheap labor support child labor. Decreasing business regulation would allow us to bring jobs back DECREASING this atrocity. Pettily demanding the upper class to pay more does no good. If they pay more, they can't pay you. I like what soundwave- said about solipsism, albeit i think its present on both sides, but more so in clinton supporters. Ya'll are focusing on trump's personal characteristics, not objectively at his ability to POTUS up this country. He knows what needs to be done, and now that he is elected, he just said he wanted EVERYONES help and to support EVERYONE. Lets take a step back and see what he has to offer..something tells me these next 4 years could present a new boom in the US economy. (in case you forgot, he may have a networth of several billion, but now hes worth -20 trillion.)

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On a specific note, people freaking out about Mike Pence and his gay conversion therapy stance, ya'll are delusional to think any appeal to Roe v Wade would pass through congress. Next, say in the 0% chance this happens, it happens. Do you really think life-term serving, revered for being nonpartisan to whoever is in power (yes they are appointed, but as a pinnacle of the profession's career that any judge would take incredibly seriously) supreme court justices would abstain from ruling something like this unconstitutional given the expansion of the right to privacy (statutory) that we have seen? I don't know....it just seems like people are losing their minds over scenarios which will not happen. WILL NOT HAPPEN. Clinton is proven corrupt and I'm seeing posts like "You said you'd rig this bitch! Why didn't you!". It's unreal to think people are more afraid of delusional future scenarios, when corruption in our government is a clear and present danger. To think this election was actually planned to be rigged should terrify you. Trump wants 5 year congressional term limits. Think about it, some of these congressman have been in power for decades. You think they aren't all corrupt supporting eachother so mutual support? It is known congressman do this as part of 'politics', what we don't know is the extent to which this occurs; THIS should scare you.

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corruption is inherent to the nature of government because it is inherent to the nature of people

i think you're pretty optimistic if you think that will ever change

at least this is the more exciting outcome

a huge number of poor saps have just dumped their lives' issues onto one man and now we all get to see whether he lives up to anything he promised

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Inherent yes, but suppressible by statute and public awareness. If we do nothing to stop it, you get the Clinton organization. "We've been bussing people out [to vote illegally] for 50 years, and we're not going to stop now, we're just gunna find another way to do it". #congressionaltermlimits2017

-but yes, definitely the more exciting result 0.0

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Hey man thanks for the comprehensive list of all the times throughout history trickle-down economics turned out to be a good long-term plan.

Don't expand the list any more. You'll just look stupid.

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It worked with Reagan. But what is your alternative and how does it work?

And on a defensive note, do you not realize upper class tax cuts hardly impact you? Them paying less has does not make you worse off. It is simply petty to want them to pay more because they have more money. The net increase of federal income would hardly change with an increase on upper class taxes. They'd pay more, they'd pay you less, so you'd pay less in income taxes, pretty much balancing any sort of tax income change. This is not incredibly complicated economics, but it is supported by oh i dont know every economics course you will ever take.

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You don't have to support TDE. You have a right to an opinion. But opinions SHOULD be educated, and SHOULD be open to change. I don't want to attack anyone who doesn't support it. I just want to get my opinions out there just like you. One big difference i see is only one of us is calling the other stupid. -refer to soundwave-'s solipsism comment. Your ideas aren't the only ones out there, and anyone's ideas possess the ability to be inefficient. But if youre going to attack my ideas, don't expect a lot out of me when you A-propose no alternative and B-come at me with a closed mind

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Post more plz rayword

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Reaganomics tripled the national debt, increased class divide (since all of those income increases people like to wank over only went to the rich) and fucked up our homeless shelters and psychiatric hospitals. For minimal job growth at best.

I understand the core concept of trickle-down but it has NEVER proven itself to do anything other than keep the rich richer. Where are those fucking jobs?

EDIT: I do apologize for the "stupid" comment, that was out of line. I'm just in a shaky mood because my new president wants to deport my ass.

And I also should admit my total weakness in not having a true alternative to offer. I'm a socialist by heart but for the United States to switch to a socialist economy would require an absolute upheaval of how it currently stands, and that will NEVER happen. And then there's the flaw in THAT since socialist economies are pretty unproven on a scale as large as the United States (all successful socialist economies are for small as fuck countries and the big "socialist" countries... lol).

It's funny, that economics class comment, I've taken both econs (level 1) and all they fucking talk about is TDE, but so long as historical evidence points to it not working I'm not fully accepting of whatever those teachers taught me.

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You guys are welcome to live with me in Aus if you want. I have an available double bed, single bed, a couch, and my single bed fits two if you like to spoon. :)

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National Debt is not an indicator of national GDP. National Debt cannot begin to fall until, quite simply, we export more than we import. We cannot do this now because of how outsourced our economy is. NOTHING can change this EXCEPT for deregulation on businesses - the businesses cannot afford to do business in our country right now. The national unemployment rate did actually fall below where it was with previous presidents (and future) at the end of his presidency. There is a lag time between tax changes and economic impacts. His policies did not do a whole lot for unemployment i'll admit. But they did not increase it. However, after his presidency unemployment began to increase after his policies were slowly undone. Lag time is a very important aspect in economics that many people do not understand, as many economic changes do not manifest until later and often these manifestations are not accredited to the economic changes. Reaganomics is NOT a perfect catch all system, but before AND after his presidency, the economy declined in almost every aspect.

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Yeah... I'm still not at ALL a fan of TDE but so long as this is the case I see legitimately no fix for the US economy (TDE certainly would not fix this). Yet deregulation to a degree that would cause exports to increase over imports would require some SERIOUS human rights policy reversals that nobody would find appealing.

We are as stuck as a bad luck duck who fucks glue. That means nothing lol

On a TOTALLY different note, I'm obviously no fan of Reagan but how can one compare Reagan to Trump? Because they were both screen stars popular with white people? Reagan, no matter what my opinion of his plans and policies are, HAD PLANS AND POLICIES. I cannot think of Trump's policies about anything other than cutting taxes or something something racist bullshit (most of which is absolutely ludicrous and wouldn't even pass a Republican-controlled House or Senate).

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Inb4 "The Wall"

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let the uncuckening of america begin

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Well that fucking sucked

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goddamnit

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Today is a good day.

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Even if Clinton had won, I'm glad I'm not in the military anymore.

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ftfy

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I wish I had a Make America Great Again hat to wear around campus today. Gotta support my future active president.

-o24

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you jigsaw puzzle me something strange

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That doesn't sound safe.

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We're gonna build the wall, folks.

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I would like to leave this here..

Youtube Video

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Maybe it's just me but I really wasn't bothered either way, both candidates were bad for the system in different ways, but let's hope that America can find a way to come together (unlike the brexit vote here where there is still a bit of animosity between sides)

Seems to me with this and brexit, this might be an age of right-wing nationalism politics. I guess the french election next year will be another one to watch to see if the trend continues.