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I was there and let me tell you, it was a horrible thing to listen to. I was actually embarrassed and could not even look at the expression on his face as he made his way to his seat. People were laughing, pointing, mocking, etc. It was like a sideshow. I enjoyed every moment of this event until this happened and tried my best to forget it afterwards.
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I would've done it if I were there. Look at the state of our country right now. Sure, some of it was inevitable, but the past 8 years have not exactly helped.
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maybe if he had done a better job, people wouldn't boo him.
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I think the booing was pretty ridiculous and uncalled for. Inauguration day was about Obama becoming president, not Bush leaving the presidency; however, it seems millions of people would have us think the opposite.
Who is to say that the same **** wouldn't have happened if Gore or Kerry were ever elected in his stead? I seriously wonder how people can just assume that the country would be better if Bush was never elected. They have no clue, and booing him doesn't fix or change anything. Quote:
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i completely agree with foilman
i feel bad for bush. being the president is the most technical occupation in the entire nation imo it's as if people think that EVERYTHING bad in the country is directly the president's fault; it isn't :P |
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Whether the President screwed up or not, taking part in spreading that sort of negativity, especially on a day that calls for much respect for America's leaders, only says negative things about you.
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hahahah i hate that douchebag. god damn im so glad he is out. seriously our country would have been a pile of **** if he was still in office. Obama will do great things for our country
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i think that was wrong. they should not have done that, it makes them look really immature. it was supposed to be a celebration.
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I personally don't like Bush but either way, it's the most stressful job you could have. Give him a break. |
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That's incredibly immature. I don't see why anyone in their right minds would do something like that.
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I agree, very tacky and uncalled for
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The united states government has a system of checks and balances in act. The president, does not make the entire decision. If you are to boo him out, then why are you not booing all of the political figures?
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What, are you guys worried about hurting the little presidents feelings?
****, he's going to go back to his huge-ass house on his huge-ass ranch in Texas and forget about it. Shut up. |
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That's really not the point.
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I feel like booing out the ex-President at such a huge ceremony is really disrespectful. He may go back to a big house on a big house, but he'll go down in the history books as a very unpopular man whose intelligence and decision-making abilities were constantly questioned. He'll be known as an ineffective President, where some of the worst financial disasters/foreign relation deteriorations occurred during his Presidency. That seems to be pretty bad punishment, in my eyes.
The least people could do is respect the fact that, horrible President or not, no one man has power of everything. There are many natural functions to the business cycle that are simply beyond Presidential control. There are many players in the game of our economy, and we can't just pin it all on the leader. I'm not saying his decisions were the best either -- he certainly wasted a lot of resources and made very poor foreign policy decisions. But booing him like that is just poor form and really immature. |
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It isn't so much how Bush feels right now (although I can't imagine what it must feel like to be hated by the entire planet), but how the world perceives our behavior right now. If this is a time for change, then we must learn to change our behavior and as Obama mentioned, take responsibility for our actions. The booing made us look like imbeciles. Silence would have spoken volumes louder than booing, and we would have come out looking better for it.
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Those people have no respect. Since Obama's been in the spotlight, it's almost as if his supporters were one "team" and those who back our president were another. They act like they are the Red Sox jeering at the Yankees! This man served our country for 8 years, and no matter what you think of him, at least show him some common courtesy.
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I don't agree with all of Obama's decisions, but I really feel that he's taking some bold steps in the right direction. His ability to break down important priorities in a modular way is something I've honestly been waiting for in a President -- his desire to go through and re-optimize everything is ambitious, but I feel like it's a necessary evil at this point. We need to re-establish trust in our government, and I hope that Obama holds to his word when he made his promise to make the problemsolving strategies more open so that the people know what's going on, instead of this haze of misaligned notions and unclear priorities that pretty much defined the Bush Presidency.
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Silence would have spoken louder.
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they voted for him
they're booing themselves |
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You know, I totally agree with foil. Bush may have been bad, but he tried.
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Racism ended this week.
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Yeah that free speech thing can be a bummer
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btw, i read the title as bush booing obama at the inauguration.
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So, today I learned that the grocery store in the Bushes' new neighborhood gives a discount if you've ever been the President.
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Lmao! They made bush look like a little b*tch.
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Lmao!
ps bitch |
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When I saw him throw out the first pitch at the National's game and he got booed, I laughed. This wasn't as funny. I don't like him in any way shape or form, and I won't miss him, but it does suck to take that job and then get booed by millions of people, probably all of which have no idea how difficult it is.
Oh well, GObama. |
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Nobody enters a presidency expecting to exit with a sullied track record. The President makes decisions that he believes will best benefit the nation as a whole. Whether or not his choices succeed depends much on factors outside his immediate influence. The President's job, then, is to manipulate odds, not to dictate outcomes. Though the reaction at the inauguration may have served to clearly demonstrate the widespread dissent with the policies of the last two terms, it also served to display the threshold for public composure, which in its current state falls far below standards that any reasonable individual would set. It seems that many constituents are ready to receive but not to give, almost as if it's the President's tacit duty to be a wellspring of prosperity. Nonetheless, risk and gain coexist; you can't have one without the other. Unfortunately, not enough people seem to recognize this fact, and what would have otherwise been a joyous occasion was tarnished by a smear of ill-bred contempt.
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Jesus **** man it's not like they pelted him with shoes. Publicly and nonviolently expressing dissatisfaction with the President is reasonable discourse. Is it "classy"? Maybe not. But it's definitely not unreasonable or unexpected for a guy with the lowest public opinion polls since Nixon. |
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I'm not exactly saying it was unreasonable, but that it was unnecessary. The former President doesn't need a reminder. He's well aware of public opinion, and rubbing it in isn't going to change any of the decisions he made. In any case, it's more about being tolerant than being classy.
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All things aside, yes, freedom to express one's self is a great thing, but that doesn't mean one still cannot be prone to expressing one's self immaturely. I don't think anyone is saying that they shouldn't be free to do what they did, just that they should have known better than to do what they did. |
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Seriously, they knew this would happen. Who voted for Obama? Mostly Democrats. Who attended the inauguration? Mostly Democrats. Who hates Bush the most? Democrats. Actually, non-Republicans. Wow, I think I just blew my mind. Sometimes I wish I were Republican so I could see why people like a president who managed to destroy the entire world in just eight years. |
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in 2004, only about 20.6% of the American public voted for Bush in 2008, only about 23.2% of the American public voted for Obama I'm not seeing more than half in these numbers... figures are just estimates. 2000 popular vote divided by 2000 census. 2004 and 2008 percentages are from popular vote divided by 300 million people. so of course the numbers arn't accurate but they are somewhat close. just because a president won the election, it doesn't mean more than half the american people voted for him. Half the population didn't/cant vote. ps someone flame me pleeasseeee :) |
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Nitpicking :-)
I'm pretty sure everyone meant half of the people that voted. |
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I meant to say American eligible voters which would change your statistics drastically. I thought I was implying that I wasn't talking about everyone under 18 who can't vote, and those that abstained. Quote:
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I personally think he should have been thrown out of office, but hey, we'll just conveniently gloss over everything. I like how it was like "oh god we got attacked, let's do whatever the government says and give away all our liberties, despite our cries in the name of freedom" and then it was like "yes, kill those ****ing negro arab fags, they did it all" then it was "wait why are we not winning a war against an ideal?" and then it was "oh wait that was a bad idea" and that turned into "what *** would think of getting into a war like that? wow, crazy people these days" and now, we wonder how we just, as if by magic, just happened to stumble into all this mess by accident. It took 8 years of conscious decisions. Nobody spun the bottle, rolled the dice, or picked from a hat. Everybody is accountable, and nobody is innocent. Any time we accept what has been handed down from the government, we are complicit in what arises. But won't worry, we'll find a way to screw up again and conveniently make excuses for everything. |
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ok people no one how WE elected deserves to get booed off the stage. you guys are pathetic. I will laugh at your face when obama F*CKS up the country even more.
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Who's this WE? I didn't vote for Bush. I would have have voted against him if I'd had the chance. I wish you could be banned from this forum on the grounds of being a retard. |
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Thaor are you really Thaor
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How would you feel if you got a bad grade on your report card and everyone booed you because you got a bad grade. He may have done some bad things but being President is a huge deal and a lot of pressure is put on him to make the right choice. If Bush pleased one side of the people then he wouldn't please another side. Every decision he makes only pleases one side of America, the left or the right. If we didn't go to war in Iraq who knows what could be happening right now. We could be thriving and not it this "recession" or we could be being bomb left and right. You need to think about what COULD happen. Don't call me retarded for having different political views then you. Especially because i can see both sides of it while your sitting over there completely oblivious to the consequences that could happen if we go the other way. I wish you could be banned from this forum for being ignorant. |
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Presidents are often made out to be scapegoats during recessions.
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the president has nothing to do with the economy. Its not controlled by the government, im pretty sure everyone here should know that. what i saying is that the war we are in is contributing to the recession
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If you don't even know why the recession exists then you're hardly qualified to talk about it. |
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I know what how and why it was caused, im trying to support expres bush just a little. We wouldn't be in such a state of bankruptcy if we didnt have to spend so much money over seas for the war.
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Yeah, the war we are in, which we started, which was started by the Bush administration, is contributing to the recession. Notice how the rest of the world is doing far better than we are? It's true. We have been surpassed by a number of countries in terms of prosperity and strength of economy, and we're actually dragging down the world economy quite a bit. Scapegoat? I wouldn't say so. The president has more power than we give credit for, and so does his administration. Quote:
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They deficit affects the economy slightly through consumer confidence but it's completely different and the war in Iraq/national deficit in no way caused the recession. |
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haha rubix that was extremely entertaining.
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Check out world GDP growth average. Then check out Russia. And China. And India, as well. Check out the UK. Look at other countries. Then look at the US. There's one good example. Looks like those pesky facts are on my side. |
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As for the actual booing, I found it a little unnecessary, and I think if I were there I would have either remained silent or clapped for Bush's farewell as a sort of ceremonial respect. After all, the whole thing is a ceremonial affair; raising a right hand doesn't make a statement any more sincere than without the hand raised, etc. |
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Right... in 2005 there was a steady decline in GDP growth. Now considering the recession we're in burst late September in America, it doesn't make sense to look at GDP growth loss for the past half decade to determine if other markets besides the United States are affected by the current subprime mortgage loan collapse. In fact, lets look at the statistics for Dow Jones STOXX (european dow jones) for the last few months. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=SXXP%3AIND Sorry, your facts, while true. Are irrelevant (and contradict) your point that somehow the deficit in Iraq lead to subprime mortgage defaults in America. |
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The booing was rediculous and uncalled for. But I believe at this time, Bush doesn't even care about the booing since hes heard it enough. So its just the audience booing themselves since its them that elected him for the second term. You can't really blame bush for winning a second time. Blame you'reself.
Im not going to say that hes a bad president or one that should be impeached, nor am I going to say that or believe it. He tried his best and that all a person can give. Outcome or not, he was president for the second term so in a sense, as an outcome, we did elect him. It just sux that things turning out this way. Lets just put this conversation aside and see what the new president will do. |
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A drop in growth is not a recession. A recession is when something recedes.
That's like saying the flooded river is receding because it's only rising at 2 inches per hour compared to a foot an hour yesterday. |
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recede: 2: to grow less or smaller : diminish , decrease <a receding deficit> drop: a decline in quantity or quality Decline: 6: to become less in amount ....what the **** are we talking about here? I thought a recession was a drop in GDP for two quarters or more. |
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It's just that you'd expect a leader -- the "main" representative of our country, to be fit for many things. When your leader stumbles over his own words, makes decisions with unclear motives, takes off many vacation days, disrupts relations with other countries, and does all this during a time when things are arguably falling apart, of course people are going to be upset, and of course people are going to question leadership ability.
Perhaps Bush tried his best -- but I don't think he was a wise decision-maker or leader. Effort and intent, as people (hopefully) realize with maturity, does not automatically absolve someone of blame, or shift responsibility elsewhere when things go awry. As Obama has stated, a large problem with our country today derives from accountability and responsibility. People need to be responsible for their actions, and we need to make more intelligent decisions, and those decisions need to be made with a clear, open intent. Without a proper accountability system, we run into all sorts of issues... ohi subprimez. EDIT: Also, I don't know wtf you guys are debating, but the Iraq war drain is only one problematic source. The subprime issue is something else entirely, and is derived from systemic problems within the housing market and banking systems. Another EDIT: While I think O'Reilly is a flaming douchebag, Barney Frank screwed up. Hard. Oh so very hard. We all knew, a few years ago, that there was a housing bubble, and we knew that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were just feeding the fires. Frank tried to make it look like they weren't facing any sort of financial meltdowns, and continued to push for extending loans to those with horrible credit histories, or those who were clearly too poor to be able to pay anything back effectively. Couple that with the lowered capital requirements for FM&FM that brought on higher risk (and was abused to high heaven), and you've got a pretty unstable thing going for you. Only when things started spiraling out of control did Frank try to save face. While he is not solely responsible for the mess, he is a huge contributor to it. O'Reilly did the right thing by ripping this guy apart on his show. I feel like he could have done a more effective job by citing a lot more facts, but Frank really needed to get his ass kicked. |
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So you're saying a drop in growth is not going to cause a drop in the overall total vs. if the drop in growth didn't happen?
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A boy grows 3 inches a year for 4 years. One year he grows 1 inch. Does he get shorter? No, his height has not receded. He is simply growing more slowly. Is this good for an economy? No, growth is a good thing (as long as it's based on legitimate gains), but a slowing of growth is NOT a recession. I really thought people would know what a recession is. I guess this is why everyone in America sucks at finances. |
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You just got first-derivative-pwnt, sir
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I'm with you there rubix, but im saying that obama could just be cool to the public, lie, and basically feed us **** and we wouldn't know what is going on in our country till it starts to fall apart. I know today is what his 2nd full day as president he couldn't have done anything to mess up yet.
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hahahahahaha i win again hahaha
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whee...
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What pieces of ****.
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