Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4697564)

I already prefaced that if you view the world as a xel/dbp team you are actually not paying enough attention to this game to be taken seriously

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4697537)

zzz

svaz

dbp
star

psycho
kappa?

h&h
zenith
xel

don't think bottom 3 are the team, think dbp/star is now an important dyad given what they're talking about and it's max 1 there

fair number of people are against kappa which is fairly helpful with associatives, my read is very feely because i'm kinda having trouble talking to him but i like honest-seeming responsiveness

this list is kind of unfair based on how i came in thinking about the game state because i have 2 replacements high up

perhaps some day i'll reread

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697600)

Idk how you came up with any of these teams exept xel/DBP.

H&H, zenith, and Xel because why?

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4697537)

zzz

svaz

dbp
star

psycho
kappa?

h&h
zenith
xel

don't think bottom 3 are the team, think dbp/star is now an important dyad given what they're talking about and it's max 1 there

fair number of people are against kappa which is fairly helpful with associatives, my read is very feely because i'm kinda having trouble talking to him but i like honest-seeming responsiveness

this list is kind of unfair based on how i came in thinking about the game state because i have 2 replacements high up

perhaps some day i'll reread

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697603)

Okay if this is how much you like people then I dont like you know. So the bottom 3 are a given they look bad no matter what.

Why is Svaz someone you like? They are memeing half the time and also not the here. This bothers me.

Ill just ignor the DBP because youve stated everything on it. I dont agree with you but, Im not sure I will change your mind.

Ill not comment on myself. I dont know why you put Kayla there and does that mean wolf lean or town lean or idk. your post is confusing.

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4697606)

Svaz is really likable, I get where he's coming from.

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4697608)

and sure replacement bias but

we do that here so w.e.

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697610)

You dont. >:( If you did we would have won.

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4697467)

Lot of early pressure on inD, the whole interaction between them I really don’t know what to make of. There’s a fair bit that just feels kind of like more emotional responses? Will be looking more on how you guys interact this phase.



This is kind of an interesting one to me cause I honestly wouldn’t have even thought about the possibility that someone were being coached. I feel kind of stupid for not thinking of that either.



Just noticed that DBP points out kappa’s wilingness to die and wanted to note it.






I’d put these together because of the saying subaru was town then flopping to voting. But then it was noted that the game being thought of subaru was actually a wolf in. But this is still worth noting because of the shadow looking best part even though shadow wasn’t around much.



Mentioned that this had bothered me because why say I don’t want to lynch an inactive then vote for another.



Which ended up with this reply and I don’t even know what to make of the “fast one” thing still. I need to read that whole section together I think.



I suppose it’s fair to give me some suspect for lack of vote, but I just very much ran out of time. I didn’t really love either person up for lynch, I was also unsure of how many votes were on who at the time.

A lot of posts from DBP have been about the t-force mechanic lately not sure what to make of that. Right now I’m just very much WTF towards a lot of the interaction and posts so far. There were a few good points, but I really didn’t like how EOD went and all the flip flopping though so I’m sticking with a wolf lean right now.

Also completely aware this isn't the best post from me, but I feel myself burning out a bit so I'm gonna take a break before digging into the next person. Though I will read the recent stuff real quick to see what I've missed.

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697616)

I did not even notice he said Subaru was town and then voted him. Lol

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697618)

I dont think I ever said suburu was town?

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4697617)

Yeah, it kinda was just slipped right in there, lol.

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4697622)

if we're talking kappa he's got at least three contradicting posts before page twenty by my current count

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697594)

I will be honest that it doesn't totally sit right with me, that in general you would think it is going to help you as a wolf to 180 on xel and focus on almost nothing else today. Because the focus reads to me as emotionally based, which would not be real if you are a wolf. How exactly I reconcile that with everything else I've felt about you in the game, I do not know. I have some level of temptation to just defer to inD's opinion of you.

Originally Posted by Xelicopter (Post 4697143)

dbp/xel +1, you heard it here first

/WHIRLLLLLLLLLLLL

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4697151)

dude's not here to defend himself, making him the easiest lynch in the world if he's town, and if he's town wagonomics would be grim because he's not here

you should know what I'm talking about

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697597)

Why do you like dbp so much?

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697603)

Okay if this is how much you like people then I dont like you know. So the bottom 3 are a given they look bad no matter what.

Why is Svaz someone you like? They are memeing half the time and also not the here. This bothers me.

Ill just ignor the DBP because youve stated everything on it. I dont agree with you but, Im not sure I will change your mind.

Ill not comment on myself. I dont know why you put Kayla there and does that mean wolf lean or town lean or idk. your post is confusing.

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4697605)

Pretty sure the zzz was just a "this is boring no one's doing anything" type deal

and don't feel bad, I didn't really understand that post either.

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697626)

I found my counterargument to this in my notes.

If Xel is town and DBP wolf, then DBP defending pushes on Xel as opportunistic due to Xel being gone is influenced by the extra info of knowing Xel is town, and it being easier to see. Flipping is then a response to sun fan calling DBP out on it being strange.

In the bad partner defense scenario, then DBP is so insecure about being called out on it that he is hyperfocusing it. I do not really feel like that is what is happening though.

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697561)

If Xel is refusing to play then I want to lynch Xel or DBP. Xel is annoying me at this point because a lot of what I wante to happen was based on him playing. So him not playing makes me want to lynch him. It just seems like he either doesnt care as town or is trying to look like he doesnt care as wolf either way I dont see any reason for him to keep playing. But again we do need to get a wolf. I think DBP is a wolf. So in my mind I want to just vote DBP. Tbh I dont understand a lot of conclusions you guys are coming to because I dont really play as much as you guys I guess. I am just not as good. For example the stuff InD says about teams I am not sure how I would have come up with that stuff. I am inclined to believe that this was figured out by a decent analysis or whatever I just feel to dumb to figure it out on my own maybe.

The deal is we need to kill a wolf. If someone wants to claim I dont think its that bad. I am not sure what the counter play is. Also Svaz saying they dont want people to claim based off of the message is kind of wierd but, this is just me.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4697643)

I've been at xel's throat since yesterday and you have both of us as wolves

are you even thinking this through?

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697573)

I am trying. :( . DBP is because they attacked me day one and was very dismissive on anything I said. and then of course voting Xel d1 is in my opinion not smart. They went on InD and then backed off. I was sus of InD day1 and tbh I wouldnt give InD the pass untill the next day I think you need more info if you basing the sus off of them trying to look very helpful. So with all of that DBP looks the most like a wolf.

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4697647)

oh the subaru read + saying xel feels opportunistic would mean wolf dbp would actually have tmi'd two town if they both are town, at different points, but them still being both of his votes even if he is setting up a move onto kappa

tmi since the thoughts didn't seem like, the most substantial for believing that, since those two were who they were

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697644)

First impression of Xel's post is: Not taking the flips in mind when reading through, and kind of just dumping them at the end, is bizarre to me? What is the point of this thought experiment of reading Charu and focusing on him so much when he is dead??

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4697650)

I focused on kappa more?

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4697649)

I have no clue what this means? whats TMI

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697578)

First we can talk about xel.

xel has rolled town every time I have ever played with him, and even in games I have read but not been in. I have no real idea what him being a wolf would even look like. 3ish times, he has been very obvious town to me and I have defended him. The rest of the times he was not, some of those times I tried really hard to kill him.

He gets hanged almost every game I have seen him in. It is not exactly rocket science to get him hanged, especially when he was the counterwagon d0. Maybe there is value for you in sticking to the vote on him and mostly talking about him. For me there is not. I do not think me questioning him or voting him has had any effect in the past besides making both of us angry, personally. You clearly feel very differently, and I am attempting to assess if it is genuine.

He is supposedly catching up right now and then I will decide if I want to kill him.

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697661)

I am kind of struggling with words right now.

I agree with DBP's sentiments on this page.

I feel really scared because things feel very unclear to me, in that I still feel strongly about inD and Kappa but not much else, and the town to wolf ratio being what it is already is just a lot of pressure

I um

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4697664)

I'm pretty stuck right now myself. I'm glad at least that DBPs here and talking now.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4697663)

and just to get this out of the way

"I always get lynched for not doing anything as town" is not a valid defense

"I've only seen him as town and this happens to him" is also not a valid defense

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697594)

Of course this game is not about who is the most logical but who is the most honest. I have issues with the fact that your analytical focus has been so narrow, because I think that it can be easier for wolves to hyperfocus on such points, rather than having more holistic views of the game. Wolves also generally have to lie about believing people could be wolves while they are knowing they are town. Inconsistencies like the fact that you are arguing that coaching feels like a reasonable possibility to you in a very short time window, is a sign to me that you may be focusing on trying to look like you're a deep thinker, rather than actually being able to give good arguments on actual wolves. No, it is not clear to me that you believe what you are saying. That is why I am trying to talk about this, and your statement about xel pulling a fast one. Because a lot of what you are focusing on, and the things you mention and then never bring up again, are not digging in in the way I think you are capable of.

I will be honest that it doesn't totally sit right with me, that in general you would think it is going to help you as a wolf to 180 on xel and focus on almost nothing else today. Because the focus reads to me as emotionally based, which would not be real if you are a wolf. How exactly I reconcile that with everything else I've felt about you in the game, I do not know. I have some level of temptation to just defer to inD's opinion of you.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4697660)

hightlighting this since it's a consistent struggle with games that I've played with xel

my vote on xel last night was out of emotion and impulse, I'm no longer afraid to admit that, and it's not like I can point to any specific wolfy thing he's done

but god damn it I'm so tired of this bullshit with him not doing anything and then taking a holier-than-thou approach to this game. the pressure on xel since then is largely as a crucible to get him to extend himself into the game and allow us to get a solid read on him. if he's town and not going to cooperate then fuck him, he's a liability, and the harsh reality of it is that if Xel keeps acting like this he's going to stay alive until potential endgame and get steamrolled.

ideally he would get resolved through other means but I'm in no position to make that call.

based on most recent posts he's been saying stuff but I haven't caught up yet (I'm caught up as of the quoted post) and will place him once I'm done

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4697673)

@kappa

this is the kind of thing one tends to read for, to look for pairs of people that can't be wolves together

like sure it can all be an act, and maybe they talked it out or something, but just on the thread level it looks downright mean-spirited to talk this way about a partner

you can evaluate them separately and get to "wolf" on both of them, but it's things like this that tend to say, oh they're not actually wolves in the same game

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4697677)

it's super hard to read into zenith/jessie's slot without angleshooting

Originally Posted by Chihiro Fujisaki (Post 4697679)

I can only hope it is just busyness that impacts the amount of posts

I just do not like the ones Zenith made

Originally Posted by _Zenith_ (Post 4697681)

Hello, I need to read real quick and catch up on what you all have been discussing. Been out all day and I'm phoneposting so excuse me :(

Originally Posted by _Zenith_ (Post 4697681)

Hello, I need to read real quick and catch up on what you all have been discussing. Been out all day and I'm phoneposting so excuse me :(

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4697687)

something something it takes a village

feels like people want juicier targets than myself but i'm kind of like, at a loss for which active player is a wolf right now because everyone feels kinda far apart as well

even if dbp is a wolf, i think i'll still like that i tried to go through the exercise of "why would he do this as a wolf" and uh, idk, forget about honoring the dead or something

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4697673)

@kappa

this is the kind of thing one tends to read for, to look for pairs of people that can't be wolves together

like sure it can all be an act, and maybe they talked it out or something, but just on the thread level it looks downright mean-spirited to talk this way about a partner

you can evaluate them separately and get to "wolf" on both of them, but it's things like this that tend to say, oh they're not actually wolves in the same game

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4697687)

something something it takes a village

feels like people want juicier targets than myself but i'm kind of like, at a loss for which active player is a wolf right now because everyone feels kinda far apart as well

even if dbp is a wolf, i think i'll still like that i tried to go through the exercise of "why would he do this as a wolf" and uh, idk, forget about honoring the dead or something