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I forget why you dislike me since my playtime this game has not been consistent

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PS. To whoever said for me to add them on PSN for Overwatch:
I don't play.

Sorry~

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Sorry for ducking out yesterday; had to take someone to the hospital.

It looks like Chihiro's kind of the main topic of discussion, so currently reviewing their posts. Chihiro's hard to tone-read given that they seem to be roleplaying, but actual positions can leak through that. Here's what I see so far.

I made a case against Junko late in the day. At that time, I was the only person voting for Junko. The overall vote was very scattered. Seven players had active votes on them, five with one vote, and Aoi and Sayaka with two. Had things stayed the same, there would have been a coin flip between Aoi and Sayaka. Prior to any indicated movement, there was a weird sort of back-and-forth between Chihiro and Byakuya, where Byakuya indicated discomfort with sharing a wagon with Chihiro. To me, that suggests Byakuya was suspicious of Chihiro.

This kind of led into a messy situation that has been mostly ignored, probably because it was end-of-day and it's easier to focus on Chihiro's changed vote. In my opinion, neither Byakuya nor Chihiro looks especially good here. Byakuya was attacking someone who was—at least at this point—aligned with their vote. There was also the “if Sayaka flips town” post, which is never a good indicator, because it punishes someone for being wrong—and everyone is wrong in this game, frequently. At the same time, it could have just been Byakuya responding to what I perceive as suspicions by them toward Chihiro—and Chihiro's subsequent behavior was problematic.

Chihiro started to hedge when challenged. Even before #382, Chihiro was wavering, basically reading Sayaka as null. After I provided a recent case (obviously against Junko), Chihiro attached to that. Recency bias is a thing that no one's really immune to, probably, but it's hard to tell if Chihiro was really wavering on Sayaka, or just trying to move given Byakuya's pressure (and, since we have Sayaka's wolf flip, whether one or both wanted to vote anywhere else).

At this point, it was still Aoi-Sayaka, with miscellaneous 1 votes. At that point, prior to Chihiro moving, Kiyotaka voted Sayaka. This changed the vote count (briefly) to 3-Sayaka, 2 Aoi, 1 various. Shortly thereafter, Chihiro switched their vote, although their wavering was telegraphed (see #385). As an aside, the way things went down makes me lean town on Kiyotaka. Anyway, Chihiro switched to Junko with about a minute to go, creating a sudden three-way tie between Aoi, Sayaka, and Junko. No one else voted after, and the day ended 2:2:2.

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The timing of the change is suspect, and the resolution (Sayaka was chance-lynched, and flipped wolf) is bad for Chihiro. It's one thing not to vote for a wolf, it's another to vote for them and then flip off their majority wagon with seconds to go.

Chihiro's flip is, at least superficially, consistent with their prior posts. The roleplaying aspect makes their general opinions sort of diluted, which is anti-town regardless of alignment, but there does appear to be some slight Aoi defense and a general preference for Sayaka over Aoi. Sayaka was still at risk of chance-lynch in a tie, so Chihiro didn't do the optimal pro-Sayaka move, which was flip to Aoi (which would have given Aoi three votes). However, given Chihiro's track record and the suddenness of that flip, it would have looked extremely suspicious.

I have trouble faulting someone for voting Junko; I started that wagon, precisely for the reasons I stated above my vote. And, Junko was the Acquisitioner, albeit I guess they swapped before being killed. So Chihiro's movement in and of itself isn't necessarily problematic.

What is a problem is that Sayaka flipped wolf, and although Junko flipped non-town, it was also non-wolf. Hence, a wolf would not have perceived Junko as an ally, so from the perspective of wolf-hunting, Junko's non-town status isn't ultra indicative. The timing, obviously, is also problematic. Even the initial placement (when not stuck to) is suspicious, because had the wagon never been realized, it could have been pointed to as a good vote later. But to me, the most relevant aspect was the conversation pre-flip between Chihiro and Byakuya. Rather than necessarily changing a vote to save a teammate, my read of Chihiro is more that the Byakuya's pressure led the to seek a different position. But Chihiro's own post history (see #341) indicates a familiarity with TWG here specifically and thus the game generally. So they should have known that such a flip would draw heat. That either suggests that saving attempting to save a teammate was worth the risk, or that the combination of ambivalence toward Sayaka, outward pressure on that vote, and a viable case elsewhere made them take a suspicious action.

Chihiro's posts today seem somewhat better, albeit still couched in annoying roleplay-talk. #447 at least hits upon several points they made on D1, which speaks to some continuity of thought, if nothing else. On the other hand, the vote on Leon feels overly convenient. Leon had already attracted a vote, and Chihiro's implicit reason for voting Leon was pro-Leon talk from Sayaka. But that's a pretty weak correlation, because any rational wolf would try to make their alliances more difficult to trace. However, Chihiro had addressed Leon in #257, then explicitly indicated suspicion in #377, so the vote is consistent with their claims.

Overall, Chihiro wouldn't be a terrible lynch option today. I'm not sure what to make of their deference to Byakuya--I'd read that as inexperience if not for the references elsewhere. But I'm not totally sold on Chihiro as a wolf--yet--because there does seem to be a measure of internal consistency to their play.

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what??

you completely read that wrong

i was saying Aoi was being weird for pointing out how they are at a disadvantage for being new, while knowing fine well they are not the newest player and thus not most disadvantaged in that sense

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Kyoko is impossible for me to read but what's new am I right.
I mean that like they're writing with a thesaurus open. It's not fun. I can read them just fine in terms of they seem like they're trying too hard and thus appear to be maf. I also dislike how kyoko is approaching chihiro.

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Don't care for this at all, but

and


aren't so bad, although locks are difficult with an Acquisitioner. Of course, Makoto actually addresses this. This seems...sort of consistent with the "solve the game" pose from yesterday? Tonally, they seem similar as well, albeit less joke-sided. Nothing overtly wolfy here, although there's not a whole lot to go on. Honestly, I started parsing Makoto for tonal inconsistencies after seeing an Acqui sugestion, only to realize that it was Mukuro at question.

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I'm just waiting for the catch-up and the "oh... fuck."

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Chihiro, how long will you be staying with us tonight? You said you "may change your mind" but you said you had to leave.

Also, I'm not the blocker.

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Would you care to point me to that and save me some time? Trying to read through everything super precisely when you're a day behind is time consuming.

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Can do.

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Ok

toko

Lol!

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D2 Votecount:


Chihiro: (1) Byakuya
Leon: (2) Mukuro, Chihiro
Toko: (2) Hifumi, Sakura
Mondo: (1) Kiyotaka





Phase ends June 18th @9:00pm server
:59 = good
:00 = bad

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Yeah, that's a pretty solid town claim. And given the consistent roleplay tone and related knowledge, it's pretty safe to say they weren't Acquired.

Guess I'm reviewing Leon next.

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Based off of last day's end votes

Might be worth noting both Leon and Toko have phantoms.

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Kiyotaka, what's your reasoning for voting Mondo right now?

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Also, partially for safety, partially because hopeful pressure later, partially because holy-fuck-silent:
Hifumi

3 posts. 2 votes. 1 for a joke(?), the other with no context. Phantom dodge game on point tho.

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See above

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Mukuro, why do you think this? What makes you think he has a good grasp of who town is?

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iso them and tell me what you think

in particular:

digging into Aoi and wanting discussion to revolve around it

them asking about wolf chat and going on about it and easily accepting no day chat

them omgus'ing me and retracting it very soon after

apparently me being sus of them is bad

concluding that a wolfing was blocked and identity wolf got celestia because they were 'obvious' (also note that I also don't like them trying to identify people)

also being dumb and saying 'celestia' looks good to them when celestia was wolfed

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I've been having trouble finding posts by certains users. It just says "Sorry, no posts match that criteria." This worked for me in the past but now it doesn't. Is there something else I need to do?

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(I figured it out.)

I would like to hear what Mondo's actual scum leans are. Most of his actitivity is from yesterday, and back then he took me as an easy target, talked about other people a little bit, then settled back on me at the end. This phase he hasn't done so much as mention my name and this time he's been more interested in finding town and the acquisitioner.

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this paired with this might be good tidings for byakuya depending on how the rest of the day turned out from their performance

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I would like this post a bit more if Chihiro hadn't brought up the point of wolves being fine with the vote, it seems like a bit of the language was borrowed to make this post (spot the word "complacency")

still I think Makoto's reasoning is fine here, mostly because it makes sense with the observed behaviour, but there's also the very biased fact that it isn't based off a hidden meta read

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Ill be mostly here till eod. Parsing what's been said but there's a lot of ???.

I'm not the blocker.

I don't think chihiro is lying about being the blocker or who they blocked.

Simplest explanation is leon got blocked making the wolfkill, feel free to put forth alternate plausible scenarios for me to consider while I reread and see if they've already been discussed and I missed it.

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like clockwork

however, if Chihiro hadn't claimed, I would have been to suspicious of them since this is literally a 2-vote kitb you're talking about, nothing more substantial

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Also I thought claiming roles was against the rules but I guess I was misinformed

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Seems rather easy...

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@Makoto

see this:

might I also add that I'm town
and it's very evident that I'm not the blocker if that hasn't already been established

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sounds like you have a different conclusion?

same reason I didn't

time

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I meet 0% of the criteria for this judgment

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you feel like you can answer for mukuro??

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ok hello I'm done and caught up. let me gather some thoughts up in a post

will be refreshing to interact with you homies in real time

looks like I can ask Toko about her two posts that are wolfy as fuck

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yea

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what

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Toko, refer to these please

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did I misunderstand your post? lmao

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Shhh...

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why though


you dont know them

how are you reading mukuro??

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whats your thoughts on the game just now?

What do you think about mondo? Leon? Aoi?

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I can answer for whoever I want

their cockiness is leaving an ok impression on me, but that's it

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cockiness is a personality trait not a read imo


and wolves are more likely to call things against them ridiculous

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fair

toko asleep at the wheel

game asleep at the wheel

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"Neglecting" makes it sound like I said you were 100% wolf...wolves shooting Junko makes no sense...good doctor or bad identity wolf are possibilities too...

Besides Sayaka's awkward defense of you...you posted saying you thought wolves were complacent but didn't vote anyone to try to change that...seems like a wolf scared of making enemies more than anything... At the start of this phase you claimed to be way behind on posts... but that doesn't really fit with you having a read on the thread vibe during D0...

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Also I associate wolves being complacent D0... with potentially protecting you...because many people didn't like you defending Sayaka...but you never got any traction as a lynch...it's why I tried threatening you at the day end before I realized you had left...

Where's this big post of yours...

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my tone shifted after my initial entrance. I was just catching up post by post ignoring the most recent post in the thread. since I missed EOD and other accounts, I made it more focused on getting up to date on reading the thread

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I meant Aoi

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I'll post what I have atm, it's almost done

I defended Sayaka? how

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oh

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AOI - I find their reactions to the blanket aggression against them which occurred last phase to be in a positive light
for example, see their opening post from this phase about being upset about their potential mislynch
(I am revoking my town tell from potential meta read, because this person is not from here. I will replace it with a town lean for their defense as well as their scumhunting [nitpicking point])

BYAKUYA - bro I don't remember much about you minus your vote on Sayaka which is the only thing pushing you into town territory for me
not like there's anything pushing you into wolfville though

CHIHIRO - uncc'd blocker, lock town until proven not blocker

HIFUMI - made a shitty vote today and left
just looks like shit, you hate to see it happen

KIYOTAKA - voted for sayaka, very positive town lean
they're a really misguided town latching onto anything that looks suspicious from their perspective
the really weird dig into mukuro as well as their awkward tinfoil tunnel into aoi are perfect examples of this madness

KYOKO - for the record, I'll say this feels like role playing. if not, good job being unintentional
their case on Chihiro was undermined and kinda sad to watch happen
I like their level of detail in breaking down the posts of last EOD with the votes
I still think this is placing a bit too much faith on a wolf defending a partner when the stakes were 2 vote kitbs
their reads and reasonings are fine, the level of detail in some of the individual player analyses are a bit too detectivey feeling (re: study on semantics)
I'm probably headgaming myself about this and they're fine

LEON - it's me
I'm town and not the blocker

Makoto -

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I think I should give up on finishing it

toko hello I've seen you reading
sakura hello I've seen you reading

please join us

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I'm losing faith in Kyoko... the type of reads she gives pretty much leave her room to vote anyone...

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I know we're pretty well off with one wolf being dead but can we not mislynch me?
voting toko sounds like what I'm gonna do

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Thanks for acknowledging me it makes me feel warm and fuzzy

I'm in a tough spot because I don't see why the instant conclusion is that the role block was successful

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Um
unvote
¿

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Clearly this is not the consensus or Leon would have more than two votes...

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Maybe you should finish your reads pal-o

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I realize that but you can't always listen to the masses for thinking points, and one or two people mention it then it's something that maybe should be addressed, especially with something mechanical

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I'm still blocking Yasuhiro if a wolf gets lynched fyi.

Otherwise I may or may not...

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Man, does Toko not realize she's pretty likely to die here?..

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Why have we not had a vote count in ages when it's crunch time...?

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sorry for the inactivity until now folks
at least I'm doing better than half the thread pretty much

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Chihiro, why do you suspect Toko?

Re: TWG CLXXVIII: Danganronpa [Game Thread]
 

these questions ran through my head as well

mostly wondering where toko is and why they haven't answered my questions

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She's not trying to solve the game...

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I still don't like Mondo for reasons stated earlier but there is a nagging feeling that it's not a good idea and am looking for something else compelling.

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As in they have a lot of posts and not a lot of content?

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I think we're at Leon 2, Toko 2?, me 1, Mondo 1-2

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More or less...

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Just got home. Haven't been able to check thread most of today but just saw chihiro claim. Has there been no cc?

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We have an hour left right?

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Chihiro still having a vote is a testament to this game's lack of activity

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No I don't think so

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Ffs why is it always up to me at the last minute. Twgv]Toko[/twgv]

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no cc

try 1 minute

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Why are you all fucking scared to vote wolves

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this is a bad read of me bar the first point


'latching onto anything that looks suspicious from their perspective' - is this bad??? What's your perspective? not town ? lol

'weird dig into mukuro' LOL. I said they're acting different, mukuro went crazy over it. mukuro went from 3 posts last day to like 40 this day. if thats not different you're crazy

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i want mondo or leon dead.

protect me or chihiro tonight