Originally Posted by Krauthammer (Post 3983538)

I think the pizza guy shouldn't be called in a concrete phase. I think it should be more of when he is really needed, based on the number of humans left.

I'd like to point that it seems there is no Jealous Bastard who cardflips human. Even the Super one will cardflip, as, judging by the roles, he only appears as human when eavesdropped or revealed publicly via Tattletale. And the Troublemaker appears as non-human when eavesdropped or tattled.

So I think that this means that the cardflips at the end of a phase are pretty much trustable, unless I'm seriously misinterpreting the role descriptions.

@Xiz, could you confirm that I'm right in this? Does the false human or non-human seerings carry in the cardflip, or do they appear as their true role?

Now, supposing I'm right, wolves need to kill like six human players in order to win without losing any of their partners. So I think that a good moment to call the pizza guy would be after three humans die. It would make it like...Night 3. Then the pizza guy would be ready to play on Day 3.

I'll also point that I'm sure that the Pizza guy does count as one of the remaining humans, after he is summoned, which gives a second chance. Numbers-wise, it'd be like one of the human deaths never happened.

If a wolf is killed, then it would delay a bit more the summoning of the pizza player.

That is what I think.

Originally Posted by Krauthammer (Post 3983538)

So I think that a good moment to call the pizza guy would be after three humans die. It would make it like...Night 3. Then the pizza guy would be ready to play on Day 3.

Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 3983554)

Hey Kraut, I'm going to have to ask you to revise your logic a bit here.

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 3983522)

CLARIFICATION:

I'm sorry, I really seemed to have been unclear. The Tattle will give a cardflip, possibly exposing ANYONE.

Sorry everyone, my fault. I'll gtfo now.

Originally Posted by FictionJunction (Post 3983564)

Does this mean what I think it means.

Ok, cardflips are full role flips. So the tattle reveals roles, not human/non-human flips.

Originally Posted by Krauthammer (Post 3983538)

Originally Posted by Crazyjayde (Post 3983579)

@xiz are cardflips full roles reveal or normal human/non-human cardflips?

Originally Posted by James May (Post 3983610)

Speaking of all this, the cruel irony is that I'm at a party now o:

On topic matter: deciding when pizza guy comes is good idea (props to kraut for p interesting logic there) but should we decide when tattle-tale should use his/her role or just let TT choose it on his/her own will? Imho, TT should use it on the same phase that we decide to call the pizza guy so that on the next phase we can have confirmed wolf/villa. I would go more into details but using a tablet sucks and it is a worthless ****** in letting me post fully fleshed out posts…

Originally Posted by FictionJunction (Post 3983646)

wrong.

The use of the TT and the pizza guy are circumstantial, special to the circumstances of the time. We must ask the TT if we doubt somebody. We must ask the pizza guy to settle a dispute. Having them both out at the same time doesn't help. There's like, no benefit. Can you list the benefits?

Originally Posted by FictionJunction (Post 3983665)

I don't think there's any evidence to support that Pizza guy should come out during day 2 as opposed to day 3 or day 4. He'll always be alive. He'll always be able to show up.