Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4767272)

So is this basically saying that the second post is just a red herring cuz I'm kinda disappointed if it is js

On another note I've just now found out the multi-quote button exists after having accidentally hit it to quote this one and this makes things a thousand times easier than they originally were

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767271)

I kinda think this is what's happening right now

With no "deaths" in the night, and Gold Stinger "not dying", I don't think ANY of us actually CAN die. We are stuck here, and our job is to perform cardflips to help out the "main game."

We are in a reverse game. Think about what that means for a moment:

Time is flowing backwards. We cannot "kill" people here, because that means deleting a player "from the past" of this game. That is: a player dying here would mean that we delete them from earlier in the game.

Yesterday, you lynched Gold Stinger, but you could not "kill" him... because that would mean killing Gold Stinger before "the game even started."

Players can ENTER this game, because that just represents that "these three players USED to be in this game, but EVENTUALLY GET NIGHTKILLED" in the forward-flow of linear time.

If you imagine the "un-reversed" version of this game, then we are currently at Day X. With 8 players. "Some player" will be lynched today ("storn"). Then, "three players" will be nightkilled ("Charu, DBP, and roundbox"). Then, the game enters Day X+1, with only 4 players next (GS, star-crossed, Subaru, and blind).

"Our game" is not even a game. It is a "reversed" play-back of some other imaginary game. We actually cannot directly take any actions that interrupt this play-back, because it would mean we are changing the past of a game that already happened.

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For you programmers out there, consider the "stack" data structure. This game is just a stack, wherein sunfan is pushing previous game-states onto this stack. As sunfan said at the very beginning...... "this game has ended already."

This second game, when TWG 200, Game 1 ends, will just be what you see when you hit the "rewind" button at the season finale of this "imaginary TWG 200" game.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767246)

I think we need more elaboration on this.

What do you mean by "I got nothing anyways"?

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4767283)

So, I've caught up to here. I didn't get a result. The big difference is your power not only resolved at the same time, it also brought them here, which is the biggest difference. My power was going between two games. So, since we can't "technically" interact, it whiffed? Idk, I didn't get anything where or not they did an action. I'm powerless now regardless.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767291)

knowing that we cannot ever die in this game, our job is to provide flips which give ACTIONABLE INFO for Game 1.

at this point, storn or star are the best choices. star flipping green would be a huge "so what", but storn flipping town OR wolf would be huge

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4767295)

Do you vote out everyone who's not playing a top notch town game ?

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4767300)

@DBP




Are you guys killing Storn today? or where are you guys at in terms of who's gonna get the axe?

I have 0 intention of moving my vote from Ben today, and I think Kappa and I are on that same wavelength..

We can always kill T-Force if he doesn't die in the night the next phase tbh

ALSO DBP: Are you at liberty to inform us who you shot N1/N2? Or were you a one shot?

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4767305)

ben

I am struggling to give a shit about anything right now given what I learned today (not related to the game at all, just some rly frustrating news)
but what I do care about is ben dying today

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4767307)

Heres the thing, if we get ben out, we have a way more linear path then keeping him in. If he is town so be it, he can help from mirror thread. And we can use his town flip for a more unified front instead of half the people saying yeah ben looks bad but how about x because they decided to do something scummy, and then the other half being like I want to kill ben and thats that. ben hasnt givin us much regardless of if hes town or no, he just talked about mechanics of the game and a reads list that literly makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4767304)

But I digress, because I have no idea how this game is mechanically supposed to be played since this thread exists.

Safest option, if this were an actual TWG, would be to lynch Ben this phase as backpack has stated and discuss what to do next. Working with no-flips is hard, yes, but you'll just have to tough it out and assume what the best course of action is.

Originally Posted by 123kappa3 (Post 4767301)

you look wolfy defending ben right now.

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4767318)

alright, this is the last mod announcement where I hold your hand that I'm going to make, you guys are on your own after this

Do you guys genuinely believe that I'd make a game where it would be fine for an alignment to be complacent with dying? Your win condition is still at stake, and there is still much game to be played here.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767297)

I'm at a point with Ben where I want to go back and see how he keeps getting away with it. Who are the people sitting on the bench? Who genuinely thinks Ben is town, versus who has given lip-service to Ben being scum, maybe even that Ben should die, but never actually ends up voting him.

It's THOSE people that are wolves protecting Ben if he's a wolf. But of course, we need a BEN FLIP before we can figure that out.

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4767328)

I feel like a dick for saying this, but the hero shot on Charu should have been on Ben, my man

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767271)

I kinda think this is what's happening right now

With no "deaths" in the night, and Gold Stinger "not dying", I don't think ANY of us actually CAN die. We are stuck here, and our job is to perform cardflips to help out the "main game."

We are in a reverse game. Think about what that means for a moment:

Time is flowing backwards. We cannot "kill" people here, because that means deleting a player "from the past" of this game. That is: a player dying here would mean that we delete them from earlier in the game.

Yesterday, you lynched Gold Stinger, but you could not "kill" him... because that would mean killing Gold Stinger before "the game even started."

Players can ENTER this game, because that just represents that "these three players USED to be in this game, but EVENTUALLY GET NIGHTKILLED" in the forward-flow of linear time.

If you imagine the "un-reversed" version of this game, then we are currently at Day X. With 8 players. "Some player" will be lynched today ("storn"). Then, "three players" will be nightkilled ("Charu, DBP, and roundbox"). Then, the game enters Day X+1, with only 4 players next (GS, star-crossed, Subaru, and blind).

"Our game" is not even a game. It is a "reversed" play-back of some other imaginary game. We actually cannot directly take any actions that interrupt this play-back, because it would mean we are changing the past of a game that already happened.

-----------------------

For you programmers out there, consider the "stack" data structure. This game is just a stack, wherein sunfan is pushing previous game-states onto this stack. As sunfan said at the very beginning...... "this game has ended already."

This second game, when TWG 200, Game 1 ends, will just be what you see when you hit the "rewind" button at the season finale of this "imaginary TWG 200" game.

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4767323)

I'm not quite sure what the host means with that message...

But I assume it means we shouldn't be treating these flips we're giving ourselves as some kind of info move.

And if so, then I'm at a loss at how we're suppose to play here in this mirror game with all the information we received in terms of PR's not being able to use their kit in this game.

Also, this reads like there is an anti-town in here.

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4767351)

spongebobismysenpai and funkywong have been modkilled in both games. They have been fully removed from TWG 200.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4767372)

@DBP

Game 1 might be the real game and game 2 only exist to help game 1 figure out the flips.

Shouldn't be just throwing away people for fun.

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4767351)

spongebobismysenpai and funkywong have been modkilled in both games. They have been fully removed from TWG 200.

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4767357)

both players have flipped Green

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4767364)

So here's another crackpot theory.

blind said their role disappeared.

Backpack is saying their role disappered

What if it's RNG that town turns to wolf to make this game possible to exist in the first place?

...

But oh... wolves would have to kill, huh? Never mind me...

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4767302)

All in honesty, this entire time, Ben appears as town for me. Heck, his colored reads look town, but I guess you could reason that was due to Ben assuming he was about to be moved over to this game.

Then you got this phase where Ben is like "Y'know what? I'm done, just get me off and then flip me in the other dame."

Reverse psychology, as star-crossed put it for gold stinger and myself? Also probably, but I've seen just... "Ben" in this game, if that makes sense? Nothing scummy about him, just him responding how I would think he would respond to people.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4767414)

I want a DBP flip for the same reason you guys want a ben flip.

You guys have a SK saying he's a VT and telling you to lynch ben. No one seems to care about that.

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4767469)

my crack theory is that wolf/non-lynch kills are what actually kill off players from this game. Also, lynches in this game that target a wolf also kill. It resolves the issue around there just being a stump in these games.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767289)

think we choose between charu and storn here

I would personally pick Charu in terms of scum equity, but looking at "proper gameplay", I think we resolve storn first, since that gives us a wagon flip, which we desperately need right now

storn

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4767489)

This is what I tried to do last day phase in this game and people will didn't want to come to terms of doing this, because star-crossed was a decent bit of information for the time but no one wanted to vote because "they're posting a lot now I don't want to vote them because the slot's not inactive now".

I would follow you to the end of the world on this though given you don't feel comfortable on the Charu shot.

Storn

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4767495)

So like, are the other wagons that existed still alive in the second game? Cuz the only ones I'm consciously aware about are Haku and Ben and I know they're still alive there

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4767527)

Honestly this answer's a bit of a cop-out but if there's any singular solve in Haku/TWGma/Ben then this game could get cracked open.

It's really on main game thread to send Ben down here right now.

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4767528)

So then based on Celirra's claim that storn isn't worth it, who would iyo be "most worth it" for a flip down here today

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4767528)

So then based on Celirra's claim that storn isn't worth it, who would iyo be "most worth it" for a flip down here today

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4767539)

sweet I'll tell you my cop results once ootc opens back then

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4767549)

Wondering out loud here:

@Mirror Game

Do you think we'd get flips if we both hammer early?

Just hypothetically speaking

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4767555)

If we both hammer early? Sure, both games flip at the same time. Meaning, you don't get flips until both games end.

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4767549)

Wondering out loud here:

@Mirror Game

Do you think we'd get flips if we both hammer early?

Just hypothetically speaking

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4767558)

@Shadow_God_10


I think we'd get nighttime early, and as kappa(?) mentioned ootc early yeah but like- we wouldn't know anything until either tomorrow or the time the next phase is supposed to start normally.

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4767572)

okay I think benisguin is at a solid pressure point so maybe perhaps figure out mirror town's kill so we can adjust accordingly

i schleep

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4767624)

Ahhhh... No one has even THOUGHT of Xel right now...

What are your thoughts on him?

I have a gut feeling he's probably town, but it's just my gut reading

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4767667)

regnits dlog

sgat diputs

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4767617)

close but wrong. Im on a computer now so i can explain better though.

There is no chance that ben/storn was a w/w wagon. That never happens.

Knowing this, if storn flips red then you can assume that ben is green.

So the plan is today we dont lynch ben, that way if storn flips red in the mirror game, we've saved ourselves from hanging an almost guaranteed green player

There is no reason why we cant wait a day to hang ben. We save ourselves a potential mislynch and worst case and storn flips green then you kill ben the next day.

I think i explained it better

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4767665)

Votecount:
ben (5)- shadow_god, ben, raeko, cedo, choof
force (4)- plop, Xiz, bug, haku
kappa (1)- celery
unvote- kappa

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767696)

If Force gets lynched, you shoot Ben. zero questions asked. but if Ben gets lynched and it's CLOSE, send Freezinice to the fucking Shadow Realm

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4767698)

Excuse me, but if you were the town KP, how are ben or freezin going to get killed?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767699)

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4767704)

QFE