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bmah 06-10-2011 04:33 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Colored arrow gimmicks are risky because you can't expect the person playing the song to appreciate them. hi19 originally stepped Pretty Green Onions all in green arrows and it was rejected.

psychoangel691 06-10-2011 04:38 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
I can appreciate color gimmicks but I did think the other file was better plus wasn't sure if the bns was intentional or a mistake.

MaxGhost 06-10-2011 04:52 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 3484427)
EDIT: I really don't know why niala would tell you to do that. I've gotten files from him several times and they've never been offsync like this.
lol Niala sent me a file last week and it was intentionally 0.4s offsync. O_o

nois-or-e 06-10-2011 04:52 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
what happens with the > judgements?

Niala 06-10-2011 05:01 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxGhost (Post 3484463)
lol Niala sent me a file last week and it was intentionally 0.4s offsync. O_o
My offset is naturally 0.04s later than other players, that's where I find it more comfortable to play. I was working with YMIA on his chart before he submitted it, and it's possible that he didn't change the offset back to proper after having me play it. If so, I'll accept responsibility, I should have thought better of sending it over to him with my natural offset as opposed to the standard. However, I would like to note that I always make an effort to reset offsets before I send out files, so this might be completely irrelevant.

psychoangel691 06-10-2011 05:10 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
0.04 is negligible where as Yo man I'm awesome's was 2.974 off. Big difference.

bmah 06-10-2011 05:13 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Offsets slightly differ from one computer to another, or even within the same computer, depending on what setup you're using.

For instance, my laptop's offset is different from the old desktop I used to work on. But the offset is also different when I plug my earbuds/headphones into the laptop and work from there. Similarly, if you got a different keyboard that has thicker keys, that'll also affect the timing of the arrows you press - according to your fingers and reaction.

Nevertheless, if the timing is so far off that it's unplayable, that file can be rejected. I think it should be fairly obvious when the timing's blatantly incorrect, so it's your own responsibility to fix that. @yo man im awesome: use your own judgment

nois-or-e 06-10-2011 05:21 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nois-or-e (Post 3484464)
what happens with the > judgements?


bmah 06-10-2011 05:24 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
The < and > judgments were deemed ineffective a while ago, and they're only used optionally now. Those symbols alone are not proper ratings anymore. Some reviews use them as an additional descriptor at most.

TC_Halogen 06-10-2011 05:24 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmah (Post 3484483)
Offsets slightly differ from one computer to another, or even within the same computer, depending on what setup you're using.

For instance, my laptop's offset is different from the old desktop I used to work on. But the offset is also different when I plug my earbuds/headphones into the laptop and work from there. Similarly, if you got a different keyboard that has thicker keys, that'll also affect the timing of the arrows you press - according to your fingers and reaction.

Nevertheless, if the timing is so far off that it's unplayable, that file can be rejected. I think it should be fairly obvious when the timing's blatantly incorrect, so it's your own responsibility to fix that. @yo man im awesome: use your own judgment
I used to have massive offset issues when trying to sync up to an ITG dedicab from SM (sometimes as much as 110ms), so I understand how bad it can be. That's why I've just started using DDream because it provides consistent sync since you are able to physically see waveforms of the song, and times in comparison to the line/waveforms that you want - these don't change between computers, either.

But yeah, in instances like that, it's just too much.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmah (Post 3484488)
The < and > judgments were deemed ineffective a while ago, and they're only used optionally now. Those symbols alone are not proper ratings anymore. Some reviews use them as an additional descriptor at most.
Oh, I forgot about this; should I readjust my ratings as such? If so:

Above the Clouds
(nois-or-e)
Rating: [+.]

Skate or Die
(emulord)
Light - [+?]
Beginner - [+?]

psychoangel691 06-10-2011 05:29 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmah (Post 3484488)
The < and > judgments were deemed ineffective a while ago, and they're only used optionally now. Those symbols alone are not proper ratings anymore. Some reviews use them as an additional descriptor at most.

I didn't know about this. They're still on the OP of the queue batch discussion thread.

nois-or-e 06-10-2011 05:29 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
so my 15/NA/14 stands true, great...

still stumps me that all mine were perfect on sync (which is obv hard for others to do >_<)
would fixing the blue notes in the ending make any difference for 45, or am I wasting my time?

bmah 06-10-2011 05:33 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 3484493)
I didn't know about this. They're still on the OP of the queue batch discussion thread.
[<] and [>] don't actually describe the quality of the file; just a comparison between which one is better.

You can do this:

song A: [+.] [>]

song B: [?] [<]

or sometimes two files are close, but you want to distinguish slightly:

song A: [+.] [<]

song B: [+.] [>]

Sometimes they're equally good/bad, in which you don't need to use greater/less than symbols.

Niala 06-10-2011 05:33 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 3484493)
I didn't know about this. They're still on the OP of the queue batch discussion thread.
[Sub Ratings] - Add these ratings with the main ratings if needed.

The OP says that, I figured it meant you need a main rating and those ratings are additional information.

psychoangel691 06-10-2011 05:37 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Last I remembered < was = to +.

I'm behind I guess

nois-or-e 06-10-2011 05:50 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
well if < = +. it got a 16

doesn't matter though, cry4s file got a better score so this'll be overlooked. I only stepped the snares to make for an easy 1 anyways, is a boring file for most people.

No comment on my question about 45?

JSH 06-10-2011 05:50 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Halogen (Post 3484407)
Darling:
Code:
[...]
#OFFSET:-0.007;
#SAMPLESTART:100.026;
#SAMPLELENGTH:12.000;
#SELECTABLE:YES;
#BPMS:0.000=121.220;
#STOPS:0.000=0.140
;
Pastel Candy:
Code:
[...]
#OFFSET:-0.089;
#SAMPLESTART:100.020;
#SAMPLELENGTH:12.000;
#SELECTABLE:YES;
#BPMS:0.000=120.700,8.000=120.700,14.000=120.700;
#STOPS:0.000=0.040
;
(these are the untouched syncs straight out of the archive, but I had fixed them when judging - these weren't a huge factor in scoring, though)
Ah ok thanks :)
What exactly are stops though?

psychoangel691 06-10-2011 05:56 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nois-or-e (Post 3484494)
would fixing the blue notes in the ending make any difference for 45, or am I wasting my time?
I can't speak for all the judges on that. On my end it was just more of a suggestion than anything to me it wasn't too big a deal.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JSH (Post 3484514)
Ah ok thanks :smile:
What exactly are stops though?
A stop is something that is typically used in an x-mod chart. You wont see stops on FFR because it is a constant speed. But if you were to play a song on sm with an x speedmod a stop would do exactly what it says stop the chart for however long the stop is set for.

00Razor00 06-10-2011 06:44 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimerax (Post 3484015)
20/20 - 4
19/20 - 10
18/20 - 8
(and 1 14/15).

These ones will be accepted, if they don't have critical issues.

We have like 10 16-17s/20 and files that contain <, those files will go to the 2nd stage.
I'll review the accepted files and do final check.
So this means 8 files that scored 18/20 will be picked? o:

yo man im awesome 06-10-2011 09:53 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmah (Post 3484483)
Offsets slightly differ from one computer to another, or even within the same computer, depending on what setup you're using.

For instance, my laptop's offset is different from the old desktop I used to work on. But the offset is also different when I plug my earbuds/headphones into the laptop and work from there. Similarly, if you got a different keyboard that has thicker keys, that'll also affect the timing of the arrows you press - according to your fingers and reaction.

Nevertheless, if the timing is so far off that it's unplayable, that file can be rejected. I think it should be fairly obvious when the timing's blatantly incorrect, so it's your own responsibility to fix that. @yo man im awesome: use your own judgment
I can understand that being true, but I don't know why my computer would have such a different offset than other computers, because -1.386 is perfect for my computer. (If you're saying that -1.386 isn't correct) I don't have DDReam, so I can't really figure out the offset for it there if it changes at all.

psychoangel691 06-10-2011 09:57 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Either way you sent it as 2.00

yo man im awesome 06-10-2011 10:05 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Yea, I know. I guess I'll just have to patch it up with GD's notes and send it in again to the new artist batch, whenever it shows.

MarioNintendo 06-10-2011 10:24 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
I just started reading my reviews instead of just looking at the grades...

For Love, The Elephant, here's what I read:

"You seem to have the same problem as most, with being afraid of stepping too much in fear of making it too hard. (...)"
"I think this might be pushing the difficulty a little bit. (...)"
"Good use of syncopation in this chart, although I really do not like 58.426-81.699; the song seems to be more dull than previously let the chart is quite a bit more aggressive. (...)"
"Upbeat and well layered. Good flow and easy to follow."

While every judge seems to be right about this, they also all seem to go in opposite directions. I want to fix the file as much as I can, but this gets confusing. Like, while one judge points an issue, the three other judges don't mention it at all, meaning it didn't bug them (or did it?). It's hard to modify a file in that situation! The way I'd like to see it is that it's perfectly balanced haha :P

T-Force 06-10-2011 10:26 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 00Razor00 (Post 3484567)
So this means 8 files that scored 18/20 will be picked? o:
It means 8 of the songs in the batch scored 18/20.

Plan_Bsk81127 06-10-2011 11:57 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Made a list real quick of the files accepted and whatnot based on the cutoffs jimerax said (18+ auto accept, 16-17 2nd stage, etc). Anyone who wishes to make an edit to the list or fix something feel free.

Edit: Added the scores for the 2nd judge files

Leaves in the Wind (iironiic) - 20+
Until Tomorrow [Light] (bmah) - 20+
Louder than Thunder (qqwref) - 20
Morning Grory (bmah) - 20
Another Day (bmah) - 19
botu1 (MarioNintendo) - 19
Counting Snow (0) - 19
Hana Yuduki (jimerax) - 19
Love, The Elephant (MarioNintendo) - 19
Sea Breeze (Silvuh) - 19
Shu Kurimu no Uta (jimerax) - 19
Space Entropy (cry4eternity) - 19
Steel for Pappa (OneHandNow) - 19
Town Theme 1 (Reshiram) - 19
Above the Clouds (cry4eternity) - 18
bitmapstar (Ziergdsx18) - 18
Ding Dong Song (Dossar) - 18
Finding A Way (00Razor00) - 18
Maintenance Bot (woker-X) - 18
Minuet In G (Reshiram) - 18
Passage D (qqwref) - 18
Subconsciousness (leonid) - 18
-----------------------------------------------------
Endless Handbag In Asia (MaxGhost) - 17 (5/3/5/4)
Fall into Night (0) - 17 (5/2/5/5)
Rill Rill (Dr.Ozi Remix) (Coolboyrulez0) - 17 (4/5/3/5)
Shadows of my Lost Memories (Plan_Bsk81127) - 17 (5/4/4/4)
Sonnenuntergang (Xayphon) - 17 (5/3/5/4)
Happy Happy Shining Star!! V2 (MrPopadopalis25) - 16 (5/5/3/3)
Purity (T-Force) - 16 (4/3/4/5)
The Degredation of the Soul (Silvuh) - 16 (5/2/5/4)
Tutti Frutti Summer Love (Dossar) - 16 (5/4/4/3)
-----------------------------------------------------------
45 (nois-or-e) - 15
Deadly Daydream (leonid) - 15
Darling(JSH) - 14
Playing With Yourself (MaxGhost) - 14
Your Thoughts Disgust Me (nois-or-e) - 14
Eulogy For Nick Galvez (Emulord) - 13
Yukitsukiyashou (leonid) - 13
Link's Awakening (Childhood Memories Remix) (MaxGhost) - 12
Hoax (Midnghtraver) - 11
Dance Trigger (XCV) - 10
Pastel Candy (JSH) - 9
Oliver (OneHandNow) - 8
Break Fast (OneHandNow) - 6
Carrots (Yo Man I'm Awesome) - 6
Chimes (Thatskier) - 4
Minimal Effort (Thatskier) - 4
Op 71 IV Rondo Allegro (Thatskier)- 4


Other:

Sunless Daybreak (psychoangel691) - 14 (need one more judge)

Skate or Die 2 (Reshiram) - 12, <
Skate or Die 2 [Beginner] (Emulord) - 10, <, <
Skate or Die 2 [Light] (Emulord) - 9, <, <

Above the Clouds (nois-or-e) - 8, <, <

psychoangel691 06-11-2011 12:05 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127 (Post 3484762)

Other:

Sunless Daybreak (psychoangel691) - 14 (need one more judge)

Skate or Die 2 (Reshiram) - 12, <
Skate or Die 2 [Beginner] (Emulord) - 10, <, <
Skate or Die 2 [Light] (Emulord) - 9, <, <

Above the Clouds (nois-or-e) - 8, <, <
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimerax (Post 3484015)
20/20 - 4
19/20 - 10
18/20 - 8
(and 1 14/15).

These ones will be accepted, if they don't have critical issues.

We have like 10 16-17s/20 and files that contain <, those files will go to the 2nd stage.
I'll review the accepted files and do final check.
^^

Plan_Bsk81127 06-11-2011 12:10 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Ah ok, seeing your file Im sure it will be one of those that will be accepted without issue. The Skate or Dies were just back and forth whos was better, but seemed like Reshiram was the more favored one. Above the Clouds I just stuck there since cry4eternitys got an 18 so figured that was the chosen one between the two.

psychoangel691 06-11-2011 12:41 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
I don't know what's going to happen with the other ones. They are differing in difficulty but I don't know if it's enough of a difference.

OneHandNow 06-11-2011 11:27 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Now the waiting game begins...! :)

Xayphon 06-12-2011 07:26 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
I think a reject for Sonnenuntergang is quite obvious. I agree that the jumps are placed a bit "random" and I will try to fix the jump-placements in Sonnenuntergang and resend it asap, if you guys want.

GreenTea767 06-13-2011 09:13 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
So, this batch is closed? Because I have gotten permission for a song...

Great. Now, I'll have to wait.

MaxGhost 06-13-2011 09:45 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Well, post your permission in the artist blanket thread with screenshots. A new batch should open up soon enough for new artists anyways, so step it for that! :)

jimerax 06-15-2011 08:20 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
[The Queue]

[1] Sea Breeze (Silvuh)
[2] Hana Yuduki (jimerax)
[2] Town Theme 1 (Reshiram)
[2] Fall into Night (0)
[3] Shu Kurimu no Uta (jimerax)
[3] Space Entropy (cry4eternity)
[3] The Degredation of the Soul (Silvuh)
[3/4] bitmapstar (Ziergdsx18)
[4] Skate or Die 2 (Reshiram)
[4] Morning Glory (bmah)
[4/5] Steel for Pappa (OneHandNow)
[4/5] Passage D (qqwref)
[5] Above the Clouds (cry4eternity) - 24ths are kinda hard
[5] Until Tomorrow (bmah)
[5] Another Day (bmah)
[5] Happy Happy Shining Star!! (MrPopadopalis25) - slight difficulty spikes for 8th jacks
[6] Leaves in the Wind (iironiic)
[6] Maintenance Bot (woker-X) - maybe water down some emphasis/layering jumps?


[Conditional Queue]
[2] Counting Snow (0) - Dropped notes, (WNS due to snow expression)
[3] botu1 (MarioNintendo) - Dropped notes
[4] Louder than Thunder (qqwref) - Dropped notes
[4] Finding A Way (00Razor00) - slightly long/repetitive, cutting the music to 0:00-2:27 sounds better for me.
[4] Minuet In G (Reshiram) - fix color notes at the ending, minor PR issue
[5] Sunless Daybreak (psychoangel691) - Dropped notes, felt slightly overjump'd on some parts (maybe water down?)
[5] Ding Dong Song (DossarLX_ODI) - cut the music file to the part you actually use, then set the offset again.
[5] Love, The Elephant (MarioNintendo) - cut the music file to the part you actually use, then set the offset again.
[7] Subconsciousness (leonid) - water down tricky parts and make it difficulty 6 or under (not auto-rejecting this this time for the difficulty since it's close)


Vote results

8 Skate or Die 2
6 Fall into Night
6 Happy Happy Shining Star!!
6 The Degredation of the Soul
------------------------------------------------------
3 Purity
3 Tutti Frutti Summer Love
2 Endless Handbag In Asia
2 Sonnenuntergang
1 Rill Rill
1 Shadows of my Lost Memories

Yuyuko-sama 06-15-2011 08:35 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
didn't think bitmap would fall borderline between 3/4, seemed a straight 3 to me o_o

MarioNintendo 06-15-2011 11:20 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
O snap, I forgot to cut Love, The Elephant!? Haha, oops. Sure will, thanks for the notice!

What are "dropped notes", though? I've read reviews, searched around on the forums, I could find the answer nowhere.

psychoangel691 06-15-2011 11:23 AM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
I think it has to do with the 2 seconds of silence thing.

MaxGhost 06-15-2011 12:05 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
God damnit :(
Endless Handbag gets cut :(

OneHandNow 06-15-2011 12:45 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Awesome.

bmah 06-15-2011 01:25 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Make sure that it's Morning Grory, not Morning Glory. (surprised to see that so high; thought it'd be a 2 or 3 at most)

TC_Halogen 06-15-2011 01:28 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxGhost (Post 3487166)
God damnit :(
Endless Handbag gets cut :(
I'm pretty surprised/upset about this; I thought it was perfectly fitting for an easier chart, at least in comparison to some of the other charts that were accepted on the borderline side.

Plan_Bsk81127 06-15-2011 01:35 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
lol find it funny how my file got 5/4/4/4 which is an accept just needs minor fixing(and should be conditional and not need to be up for votes based on getting all accepted by all judges) then goes and gets the worst votes for the voting part. XD Oh well, shit happens.

MaxGhost 06-15-2011 03:51 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Halogen (Post 3487212)
I'm pretty surprised/upset about this; I thought it was perfectly fitting for an easier chart, at least in comparison to some of the other charts that were accepted on the borderline side.
My thoughts exactly. I know the song is repetitive, but it's not even long. I think those things cancel eachother out. :/

Reshiram 06-16-2011 01:02 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Minuet in G shouldn't take too long to fix. It took longer to record the song properly than it did to make the actual file... I should have no trouble. Do I just send it into you guys and it gets moved out of conditional or does it need to wait another batch?

EDIT: Done. Told you. :3

DossarLX ODI 06-16-2011 01:36 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Not sure if that means to add two seconds of silence at the beginning and then a fade out on the last steps, but I'll do that and send again.

Edit: Sent

Coolboyrulez0 06-18-2011 07:02 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
I think I'm done with stepping for a while

every time i get screwed over

oh well sucks to be me i guess

00Razor00 06-18-2011 08:23 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
Sorry for sending it twice, the first one had a wrong cut so ignore that one please.

Second one is the one. :D

Ziergdsx18 06-18-2011 08:37 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
$omeone should change the title of this thread cause it still says submissions are open, lol.

jimerax 06-18-2011 08:43 PM
Re: Easy Song Special Batch - Submission Open
 
locked.

go back to the regular thread.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=116884


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