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If there's any post main thread should read right now, it's the size 5 font one because it gives town a metric ton of information to work with.
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I just caught up, and seeing 3 kills still is pretty scary. I have a strong feeling we have wolves, a vigi, and a 3p KP. With that being said, with no night kill in this thread, I feel safe in trusting sub and storn. I already had star on my better side, this only solidifies them.
I do want to mention, I went to use my power last night, and I am no longer a PR, or at least, able to use my power. It was effective in the main game. I wanted to track storn. I also realize that was a bad move until just now because they hadn't posted in the thread that day. -_- So I aplogize even if I still use of it. Out of the three that got sent here , I'd go with round first, charu second, then dbp, only because of how dbp has been playing, or else charu would be last. |
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lmao, shadow_god
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yes I am mad that I'm on the potential chopping block today, but I do want to emphasize we do not know for sure how this mirror game works, and the host communication about town or mafia losing can only be taken at face value our deductions are our own and not the word of the host |
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blind feels damn towny and I'm sad I'm at the top of his list
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celery/haku for potential wolf
I'm just not liking either of their game plans so far, and I don't want haku to be cleared for getting VoTeRuShEd |
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If it makes you feel better round.
There's really no one on the chopping block I wanna vote for because I don't think anyone currently is a wolf here. Not even backpack. |
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Honestly I don't think the chopping block is a chopping block if sunfan consciously updated the phase and goldstinger is still able to interact despite being flipped. Getting voted means nothing except just flipping for info. I feel getting nk'd is a different story; which I don't think is possible yet.
That game phase at the OP hasn't changed yet so I highly doubt it's changed to anything but all town. MY question is, if my theory is correct, what happens to wolves that get flipped? Would they still be able to do their actions? |
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As redundant that is to say with my previous statement I think locks are still important here
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I'm also gonna go to sleep since my tired brain is gettin me angry for no reason just cuz I'm replying to people. Last thing I need is to play tilted whether it's rational or not.
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This is definitely not cool that we now have to think if the wolves can't kill because of weird mirror shit shenanigans. I mean, obviously voting still works as we obviously saw. How annoying. |
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Anyways, a bit early, but whatever.
Have a nice suggestive cropped image. |
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votecount pls, to check if that counts
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Aww, but he's so HAPPY!
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I agree with roundbox, about us not knowing the setup and only soft clearing the 4 of us that were in the game before day start (5 including GS, even though we know he's town, I'd like to put that notation in here) So, we can take what GS has to say at face value fortunately, and Idk if I missed it or anything, but can GS vote? I didn't see it. I know just because you're town doesn't mean you are right, but this helps take a load off non GS shoulders because we can trust GS. |
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Hey roundbox, I was wanting to discuss this by OOTC yestersay but did not get the chance. I have been wondering, why you are especially focused on town reads in your approach.
Also, I am going to need a translator for storn's messages, it is too much. If somebody already has one, please share. |
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for a game this size, I figured I'd take that approach. I've always like identifying towns early, but for this big game, I thought I'd try it on for a bit longer. it's not to say that I didn't stop scumhunting, as I think I've identified some scummy behaviour patterns or have started looking into them I'm split between trying to do some analysis here or solve the main game proper |
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My plan for when I get to a computer is to focus back on the main game, just because it is less confusing than this one. And it also may have answers for this one anyways.
I am not understanding what the significance is that there was not another announcement this time. I was assuming that that was going to continue to balance the lack of flips. It is hard to play this without knowing what exactly we are even playing, but I also know mechanical speculation is not my strong suit, so I do not even feel like it is that good use of my time for the most part?? I am going to try to sleep on the rest of it, and hope I get an epiphany. Based on my interpretation of the confirmed information from sun fan combined with how the game has gone, I feel it is extremely likely Blind and Subaru are town. DaBackpack was a town read for me in the main game, so I am likely voting between storn, roundbox and Charu for the flip. Storn is obviously more informative vote train wise, but I do not know if it makes sense to wait on resolving the night kill issue since he could be cleared by it anyways. I am not convinced there is a Neutral Killing role at all, because I am not sure how that would fit the announcement system. Would sun fan have to say that "a Town, mafia, or neutral met their win condition" here? If so, why not include it in regardless of whether the neutral is here or not? Unless there is better evidence of a neutral, I worry it is a distraction to try to hunt for them, even if reducing non town kills is a good thing. Maybe there is a neutral whose win condition is not at odds with town or wolves, which would explain why sun fan made no mention of them. But if that is the case, then who really cares about them? |
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In terms of making this game a little bit more playable/understandable, the announcement I made in the 2nd post would have been made in any composition of alignment splits of the 4 players, and would not ever be said again.
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.syad esoht fo eno sti ...aey .dias yeht tahw lla ta t'nsaw taht ezilaer dna kcab og neht dna enoemos no daer qi 0002 yzarc siht evah tsuj reve uoy wtb nrots sgniht wef a yrt ot deen i syawyna dekrow ti fi ees ot tnuocetov a rof tiaw ot won |
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Storn, I need to ask.
You're NOT doing this on purpose, are you...? Also, the fact that gold stinger can place a vote after two flips is really giving me a head scratcher. It's like the wolves in this game are just doomed to fail if they happen to come in here. |
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lmao wolves are such dumbfucks
im VT fellas, thanks for the SK cover T-Force |
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If gold stinger is still able to speak and vote the next day phase, then I'm all on board of flipping myself since I know some folks were reading me suspicious.
Certainly beats out roundbox and backpack I think. Both of whom I still believe to be town, lol. |
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Also curious if making his posts mirrored is just him having fun or something else. He can't claim he was hit by a role because... well... blind can't use his power. |
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I think most likely he's fucking around though |
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I hope sunfan wrote some mechanism for preventing tree stumps in this game
imagine flipping a wolf in this game and they just spam the thread with bullshit nonsense lmao |
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im down to flip charu or blind today
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I thought about this and figured there is zero reason not to announce this
@everyone I shot Gold Stinger and Charu during the night I knew I was going to die because of Trevor being an asshole. so I picked Charu because I scumread him and he was somebody that was going to be difficult to lynch. (Ben and Force were my top two scumreads but they were very much more likely to be lynched so I didn't want to waste bullets on them.) This might have been a misplay in hindsight because they need to be lynched twice but whatever, that's what happened. When I died I got demoted to VT. I will not be doing a full claim because lmao the wolves seem very afraid of KP so I am going to keep those motherfuckers afraid. My specific PR ability doesn't matter at this point, I can't use it anymore. |
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You jerk!
Also, I will defend blind here and say he is most definitely town here. I'd put my dead bodies stake on it. And I already said I don't mind flipping myself if it means giving some clarity to the thread. I don't know how many were scum-reading me, but it should prove more useful than roundbox (or backpack). |
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I guess I can deduce and theorize better than some though... I guess... ??? |
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weird that you didn't shoot force, backpack. I honestly would have expected you to shoot him after being deadlocked on one another.
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It's more for the others that think I'm being too neutral or something with my vote choices. It gives thread more clarity I guess is my point since my death was apparently done by a supposed town's hunch (backpack). Plus, I can still play even after I flip/die/whatever again, so it ain't all looking that bad. I just wonder if gold stinger is still going to be with us after this phase is all... |
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Given the announcement about the "town or mafia has lost", this might just be a red herring. I still think we vote within the most likely wolf and not based off of any potential deductions from this. |
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Least that's how I believe I've handled my own games and how I've seen some games handled. |
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Also, I just don't see roundbox as a wolf at the moment, simple. Same for backpack, though I suppose a flip from him would guaranteed he's not just bullshitting right now and he is actually a town aligned vigi. |
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I am pretty sure I would have voted for Ben over storn in Day 1 (my caveat there mostly being I was not reading the thread in real time, and people seemed really bothered by storn's self-pres vote, which I cannot really empathize with just reading it afterwards.)
I know people have different ideas about meta reads, but Ben has literally told me how to read him in the past: as a wolf, he is more careful with his words, and he struggles with projecting a consistent and holistic view of the game in terms of reads. I have been looking at his play in this game with that in mind. Ironically, I thought his entrance was OK in terms of the carefulness piece, even though others saw it differently. But, I have concerns with his approach to this game in terms of the latter. I feel he may be overly focusing on mechanics in order to avoid fabricating reads on people. Quote:
I also do not really understand why he was saying that gold stinger and I would both be wolves, even if he only pointed that out after gold stinger was already insta'd. Gold stinger was very insistent on voting for the guy that I replaced, to the point that people were sussing him for it. |
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But yeah... I didn't fully think through that Ben and Force have to die TWICE before we get a flip on them, and that my shot could have made that process go faster. That was my mistake. I shot Gold Stinger N1 iirc because he was my top wolf pick at the time, and I voted him. |
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Votes on Charu, will stay there, I'm extremely sick today (food poisoning may miss eod sorry if it does
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As far as "normal mechanics" would go, the only way that he would not get a result is if he was also roleblocked. If blind is town and got roleblocked AND killed, that indicates fear to me. They wanted him gone and were also afraid of what his night action could do to the game. REMEMBER: wolves did not realize that there was gonna be a second game. If wolves thought he was an info role, killing him was good enough to do that. He would take his info to the grave. But if they RB'd AND killed him, that reveals that wolves thought he had a stronger power than just an info role: maybe a doctor or vigilante. They needed to stop his action, AND get rid of him. If blind fully claimed to his neighbor, his neighbor would know that blind was just an info role, and would not roleblock him. If we buy into these premises, that makes blind's neighbor look pretty towny right now. Who is blind's neighbor again? |
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That would be me, backpack.
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IF blind was roleblocked, that makes Charu look better IF blind was NOT roleblocked, that makes Charu ??? My first thought is that blind might actually be lying about his role, because with what I'm guessing now, blind's action SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH even though he "died" |
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11:22 PM] Charu: Quick question, blind
[11:22 PM] Charu: Did you decide to use your power last night again? July 28, 2021 [12:25 AM] blind: No, I don't have it anymore. [12:25 AM] blind: I went to check storn, but I only had it for first game. [12:26 AM] Charu: WAIT, you're not a role anymore? [12:26 AM] Charu: Bro, that's important as fuck to let the others know [12:33 AM] blind: Dude, I just finished catching up. I was planning on it. I didn't get my message until day start pretty much, and I was streaming. [12:33 AM] Charu: Still, that would've been helpful to tell the game state last phase. [12:33 AM] Charu: Unless you didn't know last day phase. [12:34 AM] blind: I didn't [12:34 AM] Charu: That's................. odd... [12:34 AM] blind: I was told nothing about it, until I got my message at start of phase pretty much. [12:34 AM] blind: I know. [12:34 AM] blind: I was hoping I could get something off storn [12:34 AM] Charu: Think you can paraphrase what it said to me? [12:34 AM] blind: Yeah [12:34 AM] Charu: Or in the thread even? [12:34 AM] Charu: I think thread would love to know this. [12:35 AM] blind: "Your power is only able to be used in main game" basically [12:35 AM] blind: That would of been a cool message when I died, but whatever. [12:36 AM] Charu: Alright, well I guess it's not too odd anymore [12:36 AM] Charu: I thought like... someone removed your role [12:36 AM] Charu: Still, should let the thread know. [12:36 AM] blind: I am in process |
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Does that help, backpack?
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blind's power "should have gone off".
but it didn't. which is either: 1) sunfan having a specific bullshit rule that only applies to information roles 2) blind got roleblocked, so he didn't get a response, or 3) blind is lying |
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With no "deaths" in the night, and Gold Stinger "not dying", I don't think ANY of us actually CAN die. We are stuck here, and our job is to perform cardflips to help out the "main game." We are in a reverse game. Think about what that means for a moment: Time is flowing backwards. We cannot "kill" people here, because that means deleting a player "from the past" of this game. That is: a player dying here would mean that we delete them from earlier in the game. Yesterday, you lynched Gold Stinger, but you could not "kill" him... because that would mean killing Gold Stinger before "the game even started." Players can ENTER this game, because that just represents that "these three players USED to be in this game, but EVENTUALLY GET NIGHTKILLED" in the forward-flow of linear time. If you imagine the "un-reversed" version of this game, then we are currently at Day X. With 8 players. "Some player" will be lynched today ("storn"). Then, "three players" will be nightkilled ("Charu, DBP, and roundbox"). Then, the game enters Day X+1, with only 4 players next (GS, star-crossed, Subaru, and blind). "Our game" is not even a game. It is a "reversed" play-back of some other imaginary game. We actually cannot directly take any actions that interrupt this play-back, because it would mean we are changing the past of a game that already happened. ----------------------- For you programmers out there, consider the "stack" data structure. This game is just a stack, wherein sunfan is pushing previous game-states onto this stack. As sunfan said at the very beginning...... "this game has ended already." This second game, when TWG 200, Game 1 ends, will just be what you see when you hit the "rewind" button at the season finale of this "imaginary TWG 200" game. |
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