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QueenAshy 09-12-2018 07:14 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4648464)
I had a cat named Baby.

She was an amazing cat. She loved me and always went to me when I was growing up to pet her, play with her, lick my hair.

She was an amazing cat, if just a bit of a bully when it came to other cats, but she was a super sweetheart to everyone in my family.

One day though, we noticed she was getting lumps. Soon after, we learned she wasn't eating. We tried our best to figure out what was going on, but one vet visit was enough to tell us the worst, she had cancer.

We should've put her down there, we didn't. We took her back home, and tried to make her comfortable. It was obvious she wasn't though. She would sit in a corner, away from everyone, not going to me, still not eating. It got to a point in which she was just... pure bones due to her cancer and her just not eating.

...After 2-3 weeks, we finally decided to put her down, but she may as well have been dead those weeks. She wasn't happy, she wasn't meowing, and she certainly wasn't showing the love she showed before.
If it were me, and someone held a gun to my head saying “off your pet or you’re gonna die”

I would probably go with the best and most natural option, releasing them in a forest so they can spend their last days in piece and surrounded by the dirt from which they came; instead of in a man-made vets office, with spiky needles going in them, bright lights shining in their face, and being forced to lay down on a hard bed for their final moments.

I wouldn’t wanna go in a hospital either. If anything, I’d ride a boat out into the middle of the ocean, and fire a gun through the side of my head.

Hope this provides some insight…

QueenAshy 09-12-2018 07:16 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4648469)
No excuses please. Don't blame medicine for what you're saying.

Just try to understand the other side.
You’re right. I should’ve maybe just taken the day off. I’m getting a bit worked up, it feels like everyone’s out to get me.

Medication is certainly a big part in this tho, hormone levels too, even tho in my case, they’re both practically the same cause of the nature of gender transition.

SKG_Scintill 09-12-2018 07:16 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by QueenAshy (Post 4648470)
I wouldn’t wanna go in a hospital either. If anything, I’d ride a boat out into the middle of the ocean, and fire a gun through the side of my head.
nooooo that's cheating
no guns
just suffer in the middle of that ocean until you starve

Wayward Vagabond 09-12-2018 07:17 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by QueenAshy (Post 4648465)
I’m not the one killing them tho, I’m simply eating the product of another executioner that I don’t even know.

I’m not even buying the meat half the time, it’s usually others getting meat for me, whether for dinner or what.
I hope you realize how inconsistent you're being by saying this.

DaBackpack 09-12-2018 07:17 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
I mean to be fair, pets don't consent to vaccinations, being adopted, and plenty of other things that are well-understood to increase the longevity and happiness of pets.

Animals also don't consent to being killed for human consumption.

The notion of "consent" doesn't really seem to translate to animals that well.

Charu 09-12-2018 07:18 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
Leaving a cat/dog in the wilderness would probably "put them down" for sure, but it certainly wouldn't be as peaceful as you're making it out to be. It'd be very violent.

Survival of the fittest and all that jazz.

choof 09-12-2018 07:18 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by QueenAshy (Post 4648465)
I’m not the one killing them tho, I’m simply eating the product of another executioner that I don’t even know.
I’m not even buying the meat half the time, it’s usually others getting meat for me, whether for dinner or what.
this argument is used in court when someone knows about the crime of murder and it actually means that you're complicit in the murder of literally billions of animals per year
if you truly believe that what that guy did was murder then logically speaking you should be completely and utterly outraged at what the meat industry does to animals
but ofc we know you're not because logic and mental brainpower doesn't exactly seem to be your strong suit

SKG_Scintill 09-12-2018 07:18 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
I wish my donkey would consent

QueenAshy 09-12-2018 07:18 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by SKG_Scintill (Post 4648472)
nooooo that's cheating
no guns
just suffer in the middle of that ocean until you starve
But I can understand how guns work and the finality of ending it all…

pokelda 09-12-2018 07:20 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by Gradiant (Post 4648428)
wowza!

Charu 09-12-2018 07:20 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by QueenAshy (Post 4648478)
But I can understand how guns work and the finality of ending it all…
There you go

Now apply that with a lethal injection from the veterinarian and it's a very similar opinion.

DaBackpack 09-12-2018 07:21 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4648480)
There you go

Now apply that with a lethal injection from the veterinarian and it's a very similar opinion.
I mean to be fair it's not a good analogy because suicide is "consenting" while lethal injections technically would not be

I still argue that thinking in terms of consent is not fruitful in the context of discussing putting down animals

choof 09-12-2018 07:21 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by QueenAshy (Post 4648470)

I would probably go with the best and most natural option, releasing them in a forest so they can spend their last days in piece and surrounded by the dirt from which they came; instead of in a man-made vets office, with spiky needles going in them, bright lights shining in their face, and being forced to lay down on a hard bed for their final moments.
hell yeah dude whenever my cat gets terminally ill instead of providing her with some peace with a quick and painless death I'll release her into a nearby forest, effectively abandoning her to a lonely death at the hands of some predator who will tear her to shreds

pokelda 09-12-2018 07:21 PM
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lady your moral compass is all sorts of messed up lol

QueenAshy 09-12-2018 07:22 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4648476)
this argument is used in court when someone knows about the crime of murder and it actually means that you're complicit in the murder of literally billions of animals per year
if you truly believe that what that guy did was murder then logically speaking you should be completely and utterly outraged at what the meat industry does to animals
but ofc we know you're not because logic and mental brainpower doesn't exactly seem to be your strong suit
I’ve condemned mass killing of animals and slaughterhouses before tho.

“Humans: The holocaust was all bad and terrible*

Also humans: Let's kill billions of turkeys and chickens every year, more than the total death toll of the holocaust”

QueenAshy 09-12-2018 07:23 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4648480)
There you go

Now apply that with a lethal injection from the veterinarian and it's a very similar opinion.
I think my dog would need to be informed of the risks and sign a left of consent first for that to work

DaBackpack 09-12-2018 07:23 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by QueenAshy (Post 4648485)
Also humans: Let's kill billions of turkeys and chickens every year, more than the total death toll of the holocaust”
holy shit

pokelda 09-12-2018 07:23 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by QueenAshy (Post 4648485)
I’ve condemned mass killing of animals and slaughterhouses before tho.

“Humans: The holocaust was all bad and terrible*

Also humans: Let's kill billions of turkeys and chickens every year, more than the total death toll of the holocaust”
omg

Charu 09-12-2018 07:23 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
Now see here, I'm a bird lover and love my birds, but I won't lie and say eating some bird is immoral.

QueenAshy 09-12-2018 07:23 PM
Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?
 
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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4648483)
hell yeah dude whenever my cat gets terminally ill instead of providing her with some peace with a quick and painless death I'll release her into a nearby forest, effectively abandoning her to a lonely death at the hands of some predator who will tear her to shreds
That would be guilt free way of doing it, and it would release them back into nature so the circle of life could continue. I couldn’t live with having my pet murdered at human hands.


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