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Quiet op at least I improved :(

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If you can beat me then you got me. I don't have any more time to play until the weekend. Just perusing through the forums

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oops i did

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Warmed up and played this song several times on both mirror and nonmirror - this was the best I got. If you can beat this, you're better than me at endurance js :p

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That's a really good score dude lol

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Typo aside, you're a liaaaaar! I'm D2A and these are far from easy T__T

I enjoy it! I suck at it, but I like the song and the file is still fun even if out of my league.

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When does the final round end again? Since it isn't in the OP like it should be ._.

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No idea, hopefully not for a long while. Cause I still suck.

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Have you tried playing slower JS files on FFR and working your way up? I'd start with some Southern Cross JS, then do some Makiba and Defection JS (they are both different styles of JS, so I'd recommend both for practice), and maybe some EHHS JS. I personally find EHHS JS to be more difficult than Emerald Sword's JS, so after your confident in your ability to at least read EHHS JS, Emerald Sword should be a breeze.

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**** it, don't need to know when it ends, I'm done playing this damn file, these songs were fun at first, but damn, the later rounds of this tournament have just pissed me off because it's not a matter of not being able to AAA the songs, it's the fact that most people can't even get get sub-100 on them.

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Yeah, I'm gonna try some of those files more. They definitely help, but it's tough to get better quickly.

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That's the point! I hate AAA fests, but SDG fests aren't much better. Some people legitimately enjoy files they can't even FC! I notice you're at least able to read the file, so mission accomplished as far as I am concerned. The goal was files you can read but cannot do well on.

By the way it ends Wednesday night. It is in the OP where it says all rounds are 4 days long, round started Saturday night = round ends Wednesday night.

I was talking more about the few people in D2A who have massively skillboosted (winrar, radiantvibe, etc)
Sorry if that made you feel bad :<
I'm glad you're at least able to read most of the file and enjoy it, though.

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EHHS JS is really really awkward, and Emerald Sword isn't. I can read and play Emerald sword fine but I can barely get below 300 goods on EHHS. I do agree with this idea though, it's what I've been doing.

Personally I'm using Etude on a Nimbus as a warmup to Makiba and Treasure Planet. The song I'm using the most though is actually Emerald Sword heavy, since it's the same speed but way less dense, it's much easier to get used to reading at that speed before I start killing myself on the oni version.

Also if you can tofu, I would get Icy's Nuclear blast JS packs 3 and 4, and practice on -273.15, Still Blastin', tropical april, and shinsekai. They're all about the same speed (minus -273.15 and shinsekai, but -273.15 is stamina training and shinsekai is awkward pattern training), so they're very good practice for emerald sword.

If you can't get those packs I would play on Team fur's engine, they have still blastin and tropical april on there I think (along with some of icy's other impossible stuff)

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Woooooo.. finally. Time for 1203102301230k credits.

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Probably going to get a lot of shit but...
Whoever goes mad because they can't sub-100/150/200 the files in the tourney should really appreciate the fact that hi19's pushing your limits. For example if you're a D5 player, hard files (Say mid FGO) actually make you improve faster than just playing easy AAA (mid FMO) files, that's with you play the hard files a lot, and not a once a week occasion or something like that.

Tournaments like these are my favourite since there's more competition, you can always expect a comeback no matter which round. It isn't a tournament where everyone needs to AAA so that they would be able to maintain their position, this is a tourney where all you can do is try to edge out your opponents by not just one good or two goods, so there's room for comeback any time. ;)

My 2 cents really.

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I agree with the rest of your post, it's just this part that makes me a little pissed. I sick of seeing elitism in this community, please acknowledge the fact that mid-FMO's is not an easy AAA for over 99% of registered users on the site.

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I apologize, I was just giving an example. I should've edited that, oops

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Here is my score so far.
Hope to improve.

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Regardless of what you consider easy or hard, everyone in this tournament (with the possible exception of select D2A and D5A players) has been pushed well beyond their comfort zone. That was the entire intent of the tournament and was stated as such in the second sentence of the OP.

The difference between attitudes of the FFR and SM communities always surprises me.
It always baffles me when I see someone on FFR call a file they can "only" get say 47-2-1-6 on "too hard!!1!" Something you can nearly FC is not too hard lmfao.
As far as I'm concerned, "too hard" starts when you can't read any section of the file. As soon as you can start reading a good portion of it, then it's not too hard, it's something you can use to improve.

People on Stepmania play files they can't FC all the time and don't complain, (hell people frequently play files they can't pass) where the hell is that positive, improvement-minded attitude on FFR lol

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Too hard

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Except FFR's scoring is combo based. If you're going for good ranks, something you can't FC is too difficult to get a decent score on without a lot of mashing and/or luck. So it becomes a lot less fun to play. Of course, things change when you're playing for raw scoring (e.g. a custom tournament, indeed engine, offline engine, etc.).

Maybe that's true for an FFR chart - on SM I'd say anything you are sure you can't pass is too hard, even if it just has one stupid jack section you can't do. The FFR engine is much better for playing really really tough files than the SM engine, because it's so much more forgiving - you can get meaningful scores, and meaningful improvement, even on a file that you are nowhere near being able to hit.

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:(

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great tourney. this file though. I stopped playing for a week soz, killing my competitive side as we speak.

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The scoring in-engine is combo based, but the community's consciousness is raw scoring based. How many times have you seen someone say "oh, so-and-so has gotten 3-0-1-3 on a file but they clearly can't SDG it because their best recorded score is 490-84-0-350"
It just doesn't happen, the community consciously cares more about raw scoring than combo scoring.

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Pretty sure pollinosis drifts offsync. Opened up the engine to play, was expecting Reach's file. ):

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Probably wrong offset. Try offset 2. I know it's on-sync once you get an offset that works.
Also it's way easier than Reach's file. Sorry if that's not what you wanted :(

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FOTS oni is the best FragonDorce file I've ever played

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I went about 3 days without playing, got this after 3 or 4 tries... Don't anticipate having free time to improve. :\

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lol jk. Wow that is some sick PA. Grats on FREEDOM DiVE!

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Decided to play the D5 file for lulz. I don't know how anyone can play this file so well. ;~; My sightread was over 1200 goods, lol.

2nd playthrough.

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Don't you have to have first in each individual round as well? Brb whoring it for the supping score :twisted:

nvm misread, tournament style points. gg, oops

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Haha, why tank yoo. :P Except findarian has me beat this round. If he somehow beats my raw score by ~3,000, I believe that'd get him a win in cumulative scoring.

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Then keep playing !__!

go go go

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Improved a little, still nowhere near zekrom though...

I'm getting there! >.> <.<


mayyyyybeeee not lol

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so is this round end wed night as well?

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watup D2B

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Was bored so I just did some calculations for lulz:

I've gotten 104 misses during the course of the tourney,
1 miss is equal to 2.4 goods so that comes out to 249.6 goods,
Each good is equal to 25 points loss from raw scoring since they could have been perfects, so 249.6 goods is equal to 6240 points loss.
In conclusion, I would have gotten 3rd place (and supped Zak) had I FC'ed the songs with the same PA. >.<

Also noticed that I would have won D3a in cumulative scoring had I been placed there, looks like you guys got lucky. ;P

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Forced miss-meme is forced =/

And I wouldn't consider hi19hi19's judgement as luck.

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I actually found that info kind of entertaining and interesting haha

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Well alright, nvm then, it's just me.


Anyways, I woke up and gave it a try. While I'm not warmed up, it's discouraging.



Zek, I'm assuring you I'll be attempting to improve tonight providing my Wifi doesn't decide to take another break on me.

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I wasn't trying to force any meme, I was just trying to say how my inability to hit all the notes cost me a place in the tourney (as Middie said, I'll be too busy missing xD). Although I wouldn't be surprised, (and I would almost expect), people to make humorous posts and post a "UMISSBRO" meme; although that wasn't the goal of my post.

I only made the comment towards D3A since hi19 had originally planned to put me there. Looking at my early round scores, I was a pretty fair contender for the most part, it's mostly my the late round scores that secured the win. It's mostly my ability to read and decently PA higher-level files that landed me in D4 (which also explains why I'm currently decimating Zak and Middie in these late rounds <3)

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more people need freedom dive so they can mp with me =D (so I won't be an ass and sup you lol)

probably would take a lot of time to do anyways..

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I just realize that I would have won D3A if I was put there.
My sightread score on Emerald Sword Oni was 153545, which gives me 561145 points.
Without that last song, I would place 4th.

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Man this sucks :( I have no doubt I could contend for the win, but I simply can't play. My fiancé has been here since last week and I just can't in my right mind spend the 30 plus minutes playing FFR. So I played it once a few nights ago after no warmup and a 5 day layoff and here is my score. I am very sad :( I really wanted Freedom Dive

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Now I'm going to have to play this song some more!
Damn it popsicle!

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Noticed that in order to get 3rd place, I'd practically have to AAA the final song. Good game D4b, it was fun. xD

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This is the main reason I hate cumulative scoring so much. It annoys me that I can go through an entire tournament really well and then one song can come along and drop me all the way to 4th, which is what I would get if you guys and radiantvibe were in our division. It kinds of end up being due to the fact that the early round scores are so close in scores, but the late round scores usually aren't, that the early round scores don't end up mattering at all, and those are the rounds where the songs that fall within my skillset usually end up being the ones we play.

So basically I really prefer tournament scoring, and I'm really really thankful Hi19 decided to do 3 types of scoring, partially because it really made the benefits and downsides of the types of scoring more apparent to me, but mostly because I had a chance to not get murdered after completely failing a song, which in this kind of tournament was a godsend.

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Calculated some tournament points.

D5C:
- plan_b: 5814
- bballa: 5668
- ymia: 5407
- ninty: 5360
- icyworld: 5232
- justin: 4621

d5c:
- tidus: 6700
- elite ninja: 5779
- findarian: 5770
- hi19: 5643
- flipsta: 4997

d4a:
- sanzath: 6539
- qqwref: 5111
- megamon: 5109
- MrPreggers: 5104
- sticklydude: 4995
- wc: 4045
- (Poison-: 4080, plus two missing rounds)

Note that these are all subject to change as the round goes on - plus, my counting may differ from hi19's. For instance, if the top two people were tied, I gave 1000/1000/810/729/etc. (that is, 1st/1st/3rd/4th/etc.).

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I like tourney points because it keeps it more competitive, I wish there was some way to have, whoever improved the most won their division, but I can't even begin to think of how that would work lol

honestly, having all three scoring types is the best scoring type imo. Next time you do a tourney please do all of them again =)

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I just had to be last for two rounds..

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FINALS ENDS TONIGHT!
YOU HAVE ABOUT 6 HOURS LEFT...

I've been considering this. I'm not sure how Devonin is doing things in his tournament because I'd like to hear what he has to say.

Let's say 3 people AAA and one person booflags.
Which would you guys think is more fair/which would you prefer me to use-
1000/1000/1000/729
or
1000/1000/1000/900

Already I think cumulative scoring rewards whoever improved the most.
Besides, such a system would encourage sandbagging even stronger, something we don't want.

I actually plan on asking people which scoring type(s) they prefer most once the tournament is over.
Don't respond yet though, need to finish the tournament and get the final results before people make their final decisions :P

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I think 1000/1000/1000/900 is more fair, but it should be done 1000/1000/1000/729

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?_?

I think I get what you're saying...
Okay let me re-ask this, which one would you prefer me to use in this tournament?
lmfao

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Poison-, y u no post scores? ;-;

Also, I'd go with 1000/1000/1000/900.

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1000/1000/1000/729

Ex :
There's 4 people in the division, on the first few hours the round has been posted :
Person 1 has a AAA
Person 2 has a blackflag
Person 3 has a booflag
Person 4 has 4 goods.
At this point it should go like this 1000-900-810-729

Few hours before the end of the round, Person 2 and 3 get an AAA. And Person 4 can't get a better score.
Persons 1-2-3 have a AAA so 1000 points each
Person 4 shouldn't get 900 solely on the reason Person 2 and 3 did better. He should stay at 729 points.

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900 one please

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Well like i've mentioned to you before, radiant and winrar haven't skillboosted as much as u think. They easily should have been placed in D3 just based on the fact that they were getting better scores then most people in d3b as well as d3a. I'm sure if winrar actually tried his best since the start of the tourney, he could have easily aaa'ed the first 3 round songs as radiant did(or at least score better then a weaker player, myself). I've skillboosted alot too, that's why i can somewhat read the final song, but i still have trouble reading fmos and high-vcs, let alone score remotely close to d3-level players on higher difficulty charts. Also, the final scores i've posted for each round are my absolute best scores i could achieve at the time.

On that note, I really like the final song, it's pretty challenging for me, i got lucky with a 138300 score, i tried to improve today and i can barely get sub 60g with 4-5ms, gg Radiant and Winrar. It was an interesting tourney

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The 729 one

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The advantage of the 900 one is that if a bunch of people AAA a song then not AAAing doesn't hurt you that much.

As noname pointed out, the advantage of the 729 one is that it's more fair to the top people. That is, if you AAA and then someone else does, the people you did better than are as far from you as they should be. Having another person tie your score only improves THEIR score, not everyone's, so it doesn't hurt you as much. (I prefer the 729.)

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Shouldn't this type of thing be determined before the tournament starts? I mean, if you wait till the tournament ends, people will try to use this to maximize credit payouts. I thought you decided to use all three scoring methods? The only question is whether to use the 900/729 scoring method.

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That's the only question I'm asking. I decided early on to use all 3 scoring methods and that has not changed, nor will it.

I already know how I would have done it with regards to the Tournament Points (I've been calculating them roughly as we go)- I was using the 1000/1000/1000/900 system.
But qqwref has brought up an interesting alternative and I am liking the arguments so far for the 1000/1000/1000/729 method. I'll say right now the difference between the systems is pretty minor in end results because of how few ties there were in this tournament. But the principle of the thing is still absolutely worth discussing.

Unlike some other tournament hosts *cough* I'm not ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED the way I do things is the best way. If people bring up convincing arguments for something to change, I will consider it.
I won't change something specifically to help anyone get more credits or whatever, that would be absurd. But if the argument they present is reasonable and fair, then it's only reasonable and fair on my end to give their ideas a chance to be said. Having a dialogue with your tournament participants is a good thing.

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gg me. From second all the way to fifth.

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I know how you feel bro :(

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Wow, I really dislike nerves.

Near-AAA first stream, freak out from nerves and butcher the second stream. AAA the middle and second stream, freak out from nerves of possibly making up for the first butcher and shaky hands good-attack the last stream.

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Do everybody get a price ?

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The 1000-1000-1000-900 idea would benefit me so.. do it.

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He said he's not changing the way 'this' tourney's laid out so.. no

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Why does 20 BPM matter so much? ._.

Fuccen awesome chart.

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See this is a good example of the kind of argument I don't consider :P

If you're talking about whether or not everyone will get credits, everyone who submitted on time for all rounds will definitely get credits, yes.
Those who submitted for all rounds but needed extensions / late scores will also all get credits, but probably less.

Holy crap that consistency 0_o

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what the **** xd

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Just did the calculation on my fluke run here, and I'm 45 points behind Zek.

I think I give up...

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45 points? You just need to improve your score by 2 more goods, don't quit now. :evil:

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Improve the fluke run by 2 goods... =/

I'll keep trying to improve further... but it's discouragingly tough

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don't forget that people that aren't playing for prizes shouldn't be counted in tourney points, because that'll have a big effect =o

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Honestly it may seem like we haven't been pushed, but I haven't tried this hard in any tournament, not even the official. I haven't gotten a single AAA this tourney and I was more determined to play the higher division songs.

You did a great job with this tournament.

NOW GIMME CREDITS

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Well my Wifi is running exceptionally slow, so I'll post this before it decides to quit for the night. I'd like my second place ><;;



I'll have to apologize to Zek, he did such a good job on this song ><;;

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Anyone posting any last-hour scores? :OOO