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Fuck I just feel like shadow/charu team is TOO easy

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4713041)

Can you just straight unvote?

yes, I've seen some people try to vote and then u nvote in the hopes of baiting wolves here lmao

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4713043)

My thoughts on Shadow currently is I kind of hope they're just scum with Charu and game is easy?

I feel like I posted this before, but Shadow kind of took responsibility of his bad vote timing from day1 in a very "ah well, that does look bad, shit happens" kind of way, which I was okay with, it didn't feel defensive, but that's like literally all I have.

I don't in any way disagree with Shadow being very much alike with Charu in regards of being slightly distant, I kind of moved Shadow down again on my list, because the things that made me consider Shadow-AA not likely teamed, was coming from AA.

Like, I can find more scummy things AA has done in my opinion, but that's because AA actually have done stuff?

I'll be honest, with both Shadow and Charu, I am grasping at straws, I am kind of at the point where I still think you're town, and maybe I should just /follow whoever you vote because I can't help you differentiate the two, and if I'm wrong on you, I'm likely actively losing the game today anyways.

This is towny as fuck wavering. See the above post I have about being invested in EoD. This is like exactly what I would expect a town to do in EoD

I might just vote one of charu/shadow at this point honestly. All my town reads are here and if one of you two are a wolf we probably lose the game if not today than in f3 anyways so

Just gotta decide which one between them

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4713045)

yes, I've seen some people try to vote and then u nvote in the hopes of baiting wolves here lmao

Shh don't give away my plan

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4713044)

Fuck I just feel like shadow/charu team is TOO easy

Sometimes easy is correct, but I agree.

2 "dead" slots day1 + overall inactivity from another few slots, a dead day2, resulting in two misslynches and game is "easy" day3? It's just, that's just not the case, right? =/

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4713048)

I see you haven't played on our site much, there's a lot of lazy wolves in the community (sorry not sorry)

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Can you talk to me about why AA is town?

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like I'm thinking of one game that I think yoshl hosted, I think it was related to the olympics, where all the wolves hardcored slanked and town cannibalized itself

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4713042)

Aight so a good classic read is see what players aren't invested in lylo as they're prolly wolves

And again all those signs point to shadow and charu

I'm not "invested" because I'm actually getting ready for work.

I mean, if you want a wagon rolling I'd be more than happy to start one :)

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4713050)

Can you talk to me about why AA is town?

I think they had some really shitty pushes on them d2

D1 they were trying when other ppl weren't

Today they've put in arguably more work than anyone, and again feel genuinely invested

Also if they're a wolf the only player I think they can be with is exactly charu

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Holdup

If I'm town reading you I think that means all my worlds have charu wolf

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Are you absolutely sure with me that shadow/aa is not a possible world

Because I'm heavily leaning to agree with you there but

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712565)

I think Raeko looks okay/good from the nightkill leaving out any other info. If Quas is mafia they voted on mafia, if Quas is town eliminating the town voter on Quas in the night seems weird for a scum!Raeko team...

This kind of goes out the door if Xiz was consensus town, will read up on that later.

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712575)

In a scum!Raeko town!Quas world, killing Xiz kind of puts up a Quas vs Raeko scenario with that nk, Quazs already going for Raeko as is, killing Xiz just makes sure Quas wi tunnel them harder.

small points to pozz here for the way he's thinking about the nightkill here, I like how he tries to consider how different worlds fit in but doesn't use that as a big basis for his read. I think scum who make a nightkill to fit an agenda often try to push that agenda with reasoning like "well X was scumreading Y so Y killed X which makes them WoLF!!!!!" and I don't get that vibe here

there's a bit of pozzai interacting with mellon/shadow/charu that looks ok. He mentions that mellon seems more held back, talks to shadow about anti-alignments, and responds to charu about FFA. I guess it's not actually that much, but it leads into his reads list pretty well:

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712721)

I am probably at something like:

Aragaki
Quas
Raeko
Charu
Shadow God
FFA

I... I think I hate most of the stuff FFA says, but he somehow feel town to me. I don't know how to describe it and quite honestly can't find a point out a single thing that makes me think he's town.

I kind of agree with the statement that if he's town and survives today, he's a very high potential to die tomorrow.

Aragaki seems to want/have progressed the game a fair bit, albeit on weak premises as day1 was deadish, not certain on them at all but they're the one I felt strongest about day1.

Quas have had a decent day2 in terms of tone, and manners of interacting with people, where Aragaki is on a bit of a downwards trajectory, Quas is moving slightly upwards.

Raeko feels wrong for me, but I have a few interactions I'll talk about later I feel like makes her townier than I "want her to be"

Charu and Shadow_God I need to see a bit more from today, I don't get the same "tonal" read Aragaki(I think) gave him, and Charu didn't really have much opportunity to do stuff day1.

I think the overall positioning of the reads is solid, but what I'm more interested is in how he handles them over time. I like how he has movement in them with quas going up and me going down because I think that's a natural things for town to do. As the game progresses and people do things I would hope that it affects your read of them, and what I've often noticed wolves do is have more static reads and try to fit a person's behavior into a read, rather than the other way around.

the one thing I don't like is the hedging on FFA. At this point Charu had already made his case for FFA and it feels like pozzai doesn't want to attach himself to a mislynch here. If charu is wolf then I think pozzai definitely has partner equity as its a case of both wolves not wanting to hard push the mislynch. If charu is town I think pozzai can still be wolf from this since he's adding some weight to the case but soft defends him too.

He pushes me some on me not pushing my neutrals enough. I like this cause it does have some of that spice to it where he's getting in my face about something that he perceives as potentially wolfy.

this post is good because he's already trying to think of pairings. I think wolves have to work harder to "look" for pairings since there's no actual need for them to do so and pozz feels pretty organic here

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712799)

As said, I kind of slightly believe FFA is towny, but he's dead in the waters unless he actually posts something of relevance, so I'm just letting him sink really.

I can't describe why outside his indignation(being the important word, he doesn't feel "caught for the wrong reasons") of being read scum, and his repeated attempts at taking credit day1 for a Dusk flip, which turned out to be town.

I dislike almost everything he says and does, and I have no idea how to read people's pushes on him, because I don't think they're actually "bad"

I do not like how easily you flipped on Charu as a potential partner on him though, because I think if I come into this day as his partner, I am sacking him, like always.
There's is close to 0 chance with the gamestate and people's points about FFA day1, that a team of FFA, X wins in F5, at that point if you're X, you go for the win in F3, and sack FFA while you still can get "credit" for being against him.

I will say that the flipping on Charu as FFA's partner, probably makes you very unlikely partner with FFA, as you essentially close off an avenue, or will have to majorly backtrack at some point.

@Quas the thing I was pondering earlier was #113 alongside a few of Raeko's other posts a bit before and after that.
If FFA flips scum, I think Raeko never talks to FFA like that as a partner.

This post is interesting since it takes away a lot of what I had said about pozzai soft defending FFA but letting him die. I feel like it's a wolfy thing to do that a wolf wouldn't want to draw attention to, so him calling it out and just letting it sit is a better look.

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712836)

Can you talk to me about Charu, how would you generally differentiate between town/scum and what is your read on them currently?

I also like this post; at the moment raeko is in the town pile and charu is in the nulls. Interacting with the nulls is good, but interacting with townreads to help solve the nulls is an extra step that towns are more likely to do. I think it's a red flag if pozz uses what mellon says to toss charu in the scum pile too quickly but that doesn't happen

too lazy to actually quote all the D3 posts but he's digging and being invested at lylo is always a + as someone already mentioned.

I think he's town; his progression on his reads makes sense and his push on me was villagery, although I do wish he had pushed it a *little* bit more. He's actively thinking about a lot of worlds and trying to solve his ???s

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I'm running a d&d game like 2 hours before EoD btw so I do have to make sure this day is over by thrn

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Aa so you're exactly shadow/charu world as well?

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4713056)

Are you absolutely sure with me that shadow/aa is not a possible world

Because I'm heavily leaning to agree with you there but

It's never "guaranteed", it's a lot "playing the odds"

I think in 80%+(yes number pulled out my ass) a scumteam doesn't interact in the manner they did. You're essentially counting on hard setting up a misslynch your entire team leads day1, and survive to win the game?

It's not unheard of, but overall I think I win more games than I lose by just saying "that's not a team"

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I'm gonna finish this class reak quick but I'm considering asking aa to vote charu

Pozz this seem like a good idea? I really don't want to fucking throw

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4713059)

Aa so you're exactly shadow/charu world as well?

I haven't gone through your ISO yet but I do think it's most likely; your play hasn't raised any red flags that I can remember, shadow looks a lot weaker in retrospect and has ties to scum!charu. let me just finish my reread and I'll get back to you

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4713060)

You know what I mean by guaranteed

Nothing is guaranteed in a mountainous game

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tinfoil we're getting fucked by pozz/quas wolf