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Just because no one replies to your post, doesn't mean it's glossed over. If you make your point well, there's nothing more needed to be added for the sake of the topic, and especially if I agree with it, enough said.
Emithith: The discussion went there in very recent posts. How would you have any idea how many gay people act gay if the opposite of what you're saying is true; that is, if most gay people didn't outwardly act gay? You would still largely be basing it on those people who do outwardly act gay, and you could come to the exact same conclusion. Secondly, there's a very good reason for gays to act gay; so that people know they're gay. How would you like men to hit on you because they think you're gay? The reverse would happen to gays all the time if they didn't outwardly portray their sexuality in some way. It would also suck to have to specifically walk up to someone and ask 'are you gay?' before you could flirt, or if you couldn't tell at a glance if you could possibly have a shot with that girl. Furthermore, you're conflating overt sexual behaviour with sexuality. Waggling your hips while you walk isn't exactly the same thing as making out in public. Or, if you're not conflating the 2, you're essentially asking the impossible: the majority of men are attracted to women and vice versa. That means straight people will always be overt about their sexuality simply because they have a visible gender. Are you suggesting we all hide our genders? Another thing, if all sexuality were kept solely to the bedroom, finding a person to have sex with would have to revolve around something weird like nightly bedroom meet-ups or some such thing. If you could just assimilate gays and the quirks they have adopted to fit into the community, then everything would be just fine. That said, I'm sure that if I were gay I'd probably try and act specifically not gay most of the time or something in an attempt to keep my own individual identity because I'm dumb like that. |
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Either way this is a gay right/wrong conversation, so let's not get into that. I understand it would probably be pretty damn hard to get someone if you were gay, if you can't show it, but I don't exactly mean "acting gay" I mean that higher pitched voice/accent thing. It's the most annoying thing ever, and it seriously annoys me when I hear it. TALK NORMALLY DAAAMNITTTTTT. Why do they have to talk that way to get attention? Why can't they just wear a ring on their finger or something. Or like do something less annoying. Quote:
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I feel like I'm repeating myself, but everyone here needs a reminder as to the definition of the words they are using. Let's look at some of these examples, shall we?
(PS Flipsta has touched upon this and I agree with him upon some points, I'm just simplifying the point he's trying to make. I'd just like to say that people can still act on their opinions, though. If your opinion, you believe, is correct, then you shouldn't have to worry about "incorrect" opinions once you provide your reasoning. If they don't listen to reasoning, that's a totally different story and is not a reason to, for lack of a better term, "hate" people with differing opinions.) Opinion This is where you make a statement that is not - I repeat, IS NOT - based on fact or reason. Opinions are subjective. They CAN NOT be proved or dispproven, because there is no definitive evidence. The example fido used is NOT an opinion; he made a statement that can be proven or dispproven. I will give an example of a statement. Ex. "I find the color blue a very beautiful color" Because I find the color blue beautiful does not mean you'll find it beautiful; that does not mean, however, that you can prove that it is not beautiful. This is an example of subjectivity. Now, this leads to my next point... RIGHT or WRONG Saying something is "Right" or "Wrong" is a completely SUBJECTIVE and OPINIONATED statement. Therefore, you can not prove that something is right or wrong. You just can't. You can get every single person in the world to agree that something is "right", but that does not make it right. It's subjective no matter how you look at it. Remember, I'm just defining this, not stating that you cannot state something is right or wrong. You just have to realize that you cannot prove it. You can, however, give reasons and try to persuade someone to agree with you. Quote:
Bigotry Bigotry is an intolerance towards people who hold different opinions than them. Here's something I really hope you guys can consider based on these definitions. To be intolerant of gays because someone believes that being homosexual is wrong is being a bigot; To be tolerant of gays and still believe that it is wrong is just holding an opinion. It works the other way as well! To be intolerant to those who believe being gay is wrong because you believe being gay is right, you're being a bigot; to tolerate them but understand they have a different opinion is just holding an opinion. The latter options of both of these represents a civilized stance between people which, once held, can lead to a discussion of why they believe what they believe. For any newcomers to read this thread, READ PREVIOUS POSTS. If you want, just start at page 29 where I bumped the thread and read all posts from there, but PLEASE read previous posts. That will prevent tempers from flaring at trying to repeat the same points, and will hopefully add more to the thread than, well, just the same points over and over again. Quote:
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This is all for now. I encourage this discussion and look forward to reading replies. Just try to think a little before you reply. This thread is the perfect place to discuss this idea within this community, people just have to adhere by the CT rules (i.e. the stickies that everyone reading what I'm saying right now should have already read). |
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For the intolerance thing, I don't have any tolerance for it just like how I don't have tolerance for racism. It's like saying "I'm cool with black people but they're totally a bunch of nigs". I have no place for an opinion on any matter that is not backed up with logic and rationality. Some people are just wrong. I leave it open that there may be a logical reason out there, except I havn't heard it. Also my comments are all said under the assumption that religion is false. I'm not saying it is, I'm just personally doubtful of it and ultimatly do not know, I just build my opinions off the assumption the Bible etc is false since I don't see any evidence to support its claims.
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Also, I don't mind people "refining" my idea, and making it more logical, but some people literally attack others with their own idea. It's pretty stupid. -.- |
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I'm in Canada too actually ~2 hours away from you. Wikipedia isn't good for academic papers but I feel it serves it's purpose just fine on here. If you want ot back anything up you can always look it up yourself. And yeah sorry I guess I did =U
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I also completely forgot that, too. lmao fellow Canadians COMBINE POWA! |
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I believe the consensual answer to the thread title, "Is it wrong to be gay?" is "no." since there's no more ChesterDaltons to argue against it anymore. This thread will most likely die back down again soon since we're pretty much beating a dead horse at this point. |
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p.much. People have had their reasons for saying No it's not, but in the end, the answer is no. No use fighting over why your answer is better if you are agreeing in the longrun. xD
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