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j-rodd123 07-8-2016 01:45 PM

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina
 
PC culture, ah yes the fav buzzword the conservatives love to overinflate

top 07-8-2016 01:54 PM

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Okay okay okay im sorry

Rojaf 07-8-2016 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by adlp (Post 4451074)
and yes title ix is bullshit, it cut my university's mens soccer and baseball team right before i went to baseball's open tryouts. now we have women's basketball and women's soccer that dont draw a crowd. the supply didnt meet the demand so title ix skewered it and tons of girls at my school are pissed, they dont want to go to women's games either

some pretty basic googling shows that this is 100% bullshit.

you never had a men's soccer team and your baseball program was cut because your school moved into a conference that doesn't have baseball and no other conferences wanted to take you on.

it looks like after the baseball team was dropped the women's soccer team started to use their old field, which is probably where your misplaced anger is coming from, but again, nothing to do with title nine.

ps they replaced the mens baseball team with a mens tennis team. a real tragedy, but further proof that it has nothing to do with gender or title ix.

adlp 07-8-2016 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rojaf (Post 4451116)
it looks like after the baseball team was dropped the women's soccer team started to use their old field, which is probably where your misplaced anger is coming from, but again, nothing to do with title nine.

that was what i was told and then saw, so that is where that came from.
now i know

korny 07-8-2016 05:22 PM

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina
 
alright so we learned that maybe fact checking is probably best but I just want the transgender science facts

choof 07-8-2016 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by adlp (Post 4451074)
oh i definitely acknowledge transgenders who think they are the other of the two genders. the only two in existence

two sexes exist. gender isn't binary.

choof 07-8-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by korny (Post 4451085)
isn't it sort of a moral issue when we allow possibly mentally ill people to willingly mutilate their bodies? Just a random thought

i don't think it's a moral issue to allow people with gender dysphoria to take actions that could help to solve their issues

korny 07-8-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4451160)
two sexes exist. gender isn't binary.

where is the science to support this? serious question

Quote:

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4451163)
i don't think it's a moral issue to allow people with gender dysphoria to take actions that could help to solve their issues

If the science is unclear and 40% of post op trans regret something that cannot be done how isn't it a moral issue? Until we can know more about this psychologically I think we should stay away from procedures that will potentially affect someone so negatively

tosh 07-8-2016 05:48 PM

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I'm curious where you're getting the 40% figure from, korny.

korny 07-8-2016 06:07 PM

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina
 
milo podcast i listened to this morning

tosh 07-8-2016 06:11 PM

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina
 
Okay and where did Milo get that number from? I have seen a 41% figure for attempted suicide within the entire transgender population thrown around, but have never seen a reassignment surgery regret figure anywhere close to 40%.

korny 07-8-2016 06:19 PM

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No clue. He may be a troll but spreading misinformation isn't really his style so i feel inclined to take his word for it until I can see him be inconsistent at all in that regard

tosh 07-8-2016 06:41 PM

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina
 
I'm not saying he's willfully spreading misinformation, but I would be shocked if he's not misinterpreting existing figures. A Blanchard et al. 1989 study puts the figure at about 3.6% (4 out of 111). A Landen, Walinder, Hambert, & Lundstrom 1998 study puts it at 6% (13 out of 218).

Either way, it's not an area that has a large amount of research devoted specifically to it because the only people you hear that are vocal about their surgical regret are idiots like Walt Heyer. People who are satisfied with their results just go on about their lives.

Edit: I literally can't find this magical 40% study anywhere.

Contrapasso 07-8-2016 06:59 PM

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yea I was gonna pop in and say to relisten and check out context
40% is a huuuuge percentage and I think common sense would say that if there were that many transgendered persons dissatisfied with surgery, a shitton of peoplewould be talking about it

Contrapasso 07-8-2016 07:00 PM

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whatever the fuck "common sense" means in this day and age

lurker 07-8-2016 07:35 PM

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i don't think i've seen anyone say "common sense is a social construct" and with how identity politics/"regressive liberalism" constantly adds more "exceptions to the rules" to be aware of it seems dishonest

Rojaf 07-8-2016 07:36 PM

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where is the science to support this? serious question
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-...b_6160626.html

there's a bunch linked in here

MixMasterLar 07-8-2016 09:55 PM

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LMAO No one is denying bathroom use. Deny is too strong a word for it. "trying to get people to follow long established rules so women and children feel safer when vulnerable" is what you guys should be calling it. Forgive me if I don't see the big deal in asking someone to use toilet X instead of toilet Y especially since I've been doing it my entire life


THAT SAID THOUGH
, if it where up to me I would just change public restrooms to be denoted by age instead of sex. Kids over there, Adults over here. I frankly don't give a shit who I share it with as long as you stay in your stall and I stay in mine. Feminist will throw a goddamn shitfit but I think we have already decided to side with LGBT in case of such a faceoff.

choof 07-9-2016 02:02 AM

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina
 
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Originally Posted by lurker (Post 4451218)
i don't think i've seen anyone say "common sense is a social construct" and with how identity politics/"regressive liberalism" constantly adds more "exceptions to the rules" to be aware of it seems dishonest

what i'm saying is that with so many sad/mad/glad brains in the world today, "common sense" is a stupid phrase and i'm using it behind a veil of irony

choof 07-9-2016 02:07 AM

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina
 
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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4451257)
LMAO No one is denying bathroom use. Deny is too strong a word for it. "trying to get people to follow long established rules so women and children feel safer when vulnerable" is what you guys should be calling it. Forgive me if I don't see the big deal in asking someone to use toilet X instead of toilet Y especially since I've been doing it my entire life


THAT SAID THOUGH
, if it where up to me I would just change public restrooms to be denoted by age instead of sex. Kids over there, Adults over here. I frankly don't give a shit who I share it with as long as you stay in your stall and I stay in mine. Feminist will throw a goddamn shitfit but I think we have already decided to side with LGBT in case of such a faceoff.

i want a crane to fall on my dick because of this post


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