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Just thought I'd point out that Blind isn't town.
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Yesterday, I made a series of posts when I got back, one of which included a suggestion by me that we didn't know how many wolves there are. Quote:
As several people (DBP at length, Freezin and Sun Fan a bit) alluded to—see #1722—this was incorrect. All T tables include three wolves. My confusion came from the fact the the mafiascum wiki table differed from the official game table. I was reading the former when I made that claim, which led to what DBP characterized as a dumbtell. Blind claims that he hadn't read the long discussion about that when he commented on the post. But that's very hard to believe. You see, he reacted with extremely exaggerated concern Quote:
The problem is, he immediately undercut his own reading. Not only did he misunderstand what had actually happened, but his reaction upon being caught showed that the excessive “What” post was fake. Note the following: My initial response: Quote:
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Instead, by jumping all over it, he commits to the idea that there's something wrong with it. But he very clearly, as demonstrated by the post above, doesn't understand what. Rather, he saw that other people, primarily DBP, had discussed it at length, and saw an opportunity to scope out unclaimed case ground rather than actually making a case. Not only does this speak to a lack of actual scumhunting—looking for a unique position rather than a position supported by evidence—it clashes directly with his claim that he hadn't read further on, and was simply reacting to my post. If that was the case, why the initial overreaction. After all, “I get the chances.” This interpretation of Blind is borne out by his later responses. First, I pointed out the obvious problem with his post. Quote:
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Every single post he made in this sequence drives home the fact that he didn't understand what was wrong with what I said initially, which not only shows that his criticism of it was falsely constructed, but that his extreme reaction was as well. It would be one thing to make a passing remark regarding the "how many mafia" thing, another entirely to do what he did. blindreper1179 |
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Oh so that's what you've been doing
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did the quotes and the argument not line up very well for anyone else?
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Sure, mass claiming sounds fun. Vt here for the 142577425785th time.
I didn't dumb tell on the wolf number pre, i was saying at 6/7, which i missed 5, would be 2 wolves IF we were using wiki, but we're not, and i doubt we rolled 6/7. 5 may be possible, but ehhhh. You're wasting your time trying to construe my words honestly. |
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I think he's saying that blind is faking not knowing about the dumbtell? |
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why do blind and prec only exist when the other exists
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And you talk about only using examples to push a motive... :eyeroll: |
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So TTTRRK. So... we're missing one letter right?
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Or does vanilla not mean a T for certain?
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I hardclaim vt btw
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You're not wrong |
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I am the ideal ice cream flavour eh
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i didn't know people actually liked superman flavoured ice cream
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Originally Posted by Precarious View Post we can't even be sure of how many wolves there are for example. and responded with Quote:
If I'm correctly interpreting your word salad above, you're now trying to argue that you knew we weren't using the wiki, yet felt the need to criticize me even though you knew I thought that? That's not terribly believable. Quote:
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But virtually every subsequent reaction Blind had with me yesterday hammered home the idea that he didn't understand what the problem was with my post, which calls into question the sincerity of his criticism. He also argues that he never read the discussion concerning the post (mostly by DBP), having reacted immediately to it after seeing it. Yet if he didn't understand what was wrong with it, how could he have found reason to attack it if he hadn't read everyone else's commentary on the subject? This is particularly true since my own initial reaction post, which he quoted, made note that said discussion existed. |
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Let it be clear i say things how i say things for a reason. I literally got mislynched last game because of it. Im not stupid. I've never slipped as a wolf or as a blue.
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Hot cake: pre still a wolf.
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Precarious I'm gonna have to level with you
I'm not lynching blind without the same stuff that I mentioned earlier about funnygurl I do think that you're slightly missing what happened, I really don't think that blind was openly criticizing you without knowing what he was saying, that's not really a blindreper thing to do just as a person in my experience. He probably did know what he was talking about when he posted what that many times imo. |
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my vote begins to feel more and more confortable on Xiz btw
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hey guys
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massclaim:
freezin- Vengeful sunfan- vt cel- vt blind- vt inD- Xiz- Precarious- Tps- fg- flipped roles: Gradiant- vt Syhto- vt who_cares- vt DBP- Gunsmith current setup: Vengeful, Gunsmith... KRRxxxx assuming no additional roles: KRRTTTT TTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer |
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i dont like how prec didnt claim
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convenient vote
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i think im down for the massclaim as well
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convenient cognitive dissonance for a non mvp wolf, fg should've been lynched d0 again and i think this game needs more posts, then whatever would bug the rest of the cast
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eod is in 25h right
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actually no nvm i like that convenient cell i take that back
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vt here
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i might be very drunk tomorrow if i decide i dont mind being hung over for work on friday
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If you drink, I'll drink and we can strip for each other on cam.
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oh
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sry i zoned
am vt i did make my "if i die" post hoping it'd bait a nk tho based off having vaguely mechanical-looking info there |
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On D1, Blind basically did nothing. This is somewhat excusable, given his stated work on a film, so it's not really a black mark against him imo. But at the same time, it's also nothing that attests to any towny likeliness. It's just a NAI void. ************************************************** ************************************************** On D2, Blind brought this up: Quote:
I'll start by noting that this conveniently creates a pool which doesn't include Blind, thereby exonerating him of all lynch risk on D2. But that doesn't mean it's not a valid suggestion. However, Cel immediately hopped on another Blind inconsistency. Quote:
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This is even more the case when one considers that Blind's immediately previous post described DBP's case against Gradiant as a "good theory." I guess happening to be wrong in spite of a good theory is enough to assume someone's wolfiness in Blind's eyes. ************************************************** ************************************************** Quote:
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1. Xiz had been pushing Blind, calling into question his DBP scumread, and lightly speculating about a Blind-included wolf team. This is vaguely OMGUS, especially since 2. He neither came up with the read on his own, nor contributed anything to it. Freezin makes an observation that Xiz has been forgettable, so Blind immediately latches on. 3. Whether or not this qualifies as full on suspicion of Xiz, it comes after having fully numbered his wolves (convenient) in the Gradiant pool--while still having his vote on Cel. ************************************************** ************************************************** Quote:
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In fairness, though, his next post did stay on Sun Fan, pressuring him for information, which is internally consistent with building a case (or at the least suspecting) Sun. ************************************************** ************************************************** Quote:
...Oh wait, he's just echoing someone else's read again. 24 minutes (and only one intervening post) before his post: Originally Posted by Precarious View Post Okay, I'm free from my real life obligation now. Catching up. Quote:
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Um, projection much? ************************************************** ************************************************** After that, he has one bit of banter with DBP...and then the What What What... comes. I'm not going to rehash that here, but refer to about half my posts if you've forgotten! ************************************************** ************************************************** Quote:
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This is fine, actually. Wondering where his commentary on FG, who he had wolfread way, way earlier, was all day though. After this, he was mostly absorbed in discussions with me regarding our Thunderdome. I'd forgive him for that if that whole sequence hadn't been wolfier than Remus Lupin on the full moon. ************************************************** ************************************************** Quote:
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ok so like, when blind said this:
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idk when i read his posts i think there's space for him to think the MS original setup is in play, but also think you're saying something useless, prec |
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that isn't supposed to be a town case, in response to your question, i'm just ??? on this bit
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well well well, I actually didn't expect that. Well done.
You're still wrong though. |
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Per the massclaim, I claim VT.
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oh a massclaim
vt |
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massclaim:
freezin- Vengeful sunfan- vt cel- vt blind- vt inD- vt Xiz- vt Precarious- vt Tps- fg- vt flipped roles: Gradiant- vt Syhto- vt who_cares- vt DBP- Gunsmith current setup: Vengeful, Gunsmith... KRRTTTx assuming no additional roles: KRRTTTT TTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer |
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and now we wait on TPS
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Precarious I feel like someone owes you a fuller response to that post so I'll try to do that tomorrow, purely from my POV though
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did celery all of a sudden acquire a wolf slot |
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i got nothing else to add here
precarious drilling into blind like this looks town. i mean i disagree w/ it because blind's pretty townie to me, but still. |
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so let's think from the perspective that you're wolf
if you're drilling this hard, then blind's probably town you're expending a lot of effort creating a case on someone who from multiple people's opinions has been pretty town. that's hard also what happens if blind does die and flips? |
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i see townie pov. i don't have a firm enough grasp on blind's playstyle to make a meta argument here.
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when game
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whuddup
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How long do we wait for tps to actually do anything before we just assume one way or the other
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Does ind/xiz/fg work
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i wanna kill xiz or maybe ind idk i didnt look at ind
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fg who's your top 3? You only gave 2 (two) there
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zzzzzzzzzzz
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3rd is u my dude
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MORNING SUNFAN
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🤔🤔
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it's so lonely here it's like People have Lives
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What's it like being social/productive/having fun/enjoying your life
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You're powered up, get in there.
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so, as celery pointed out, there is a potential problem with the massclaim is TPS doesn't participate, so there's a few different things that can happen
TPS hits 10 contentful posts (I don't know where the bar is but there's no way its higher than this given blind and precarious were in the teens on d1 but didn't get the message TPS got) but never claims his role: Lynch him. No reason for him to be the sole holdout here when it could mean the life of a blue, and we can't let a wolf get away with denying town that info. ---------------------------------------- TPS hits 10 contentful posts, claims his role. We resolve as necessary. We probably just have a normal phase if this happens. ---------------------------------------- TPS doesn't post any more, we expect him to be modkilled, so we lynch Freezin. There's no way to verify whether or not Freezin is telling the truth for sure if we are missing a piece, but it doesn't matter too much if TPS is getting modkilled anyway, and here's why. Currently 9 alive, 6 town and 3 wolves looks like the most likely scenario by far. 9 alive: tps is modkilled, freezin is lynched (The modkill happens before Freezin shoots assuming he is the vengeful) tps could be a wolf, freezin could also be a wolf (a lot less likely), and if freezin is a vengeful like he says he is, then town gets a shot at killing a wolf with his ChAoS sHoT. What is beneath is the worst possible scenario where town can continue onwards. If Tps is town, freezin is vengeful, then we're at 7 (4 town 3 wolves) alive, and freezin has to both shoot (he can apparently choose not to) and hit a wolf in order for the game to continue, which brings us to 6 alive, then the wolves kill a town bringing us to 5 (3 town 2 wolves), which is still workable, just not ideal. The only scenario where town outright loses is one where TPS is town, Freezin is Vanilla Town and made a stupid play, and then town loses when the wolves make a nightkill, but this doesn't seem too likely given how early freezin was softing. |
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