Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4654281)

1. what effect does that have on mml's alignment, if any

2. oops i misused theater earlier i think. i was saying it decreased the likelihood of manti/sunfan being together. anyway here, ehh? i think that's still saying to the rest of town "lynch haku and find out"

3. is one of the good reasons the chair spin bc i only counted two total reasons

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4654278)

So uh, about backpack.

He kind of peaced out and hasn't replied back.

I still want to lynch him over mellon.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4654289)

I think the Syhto/Neee NKs are conveniently part of making me look even more bad.

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654291)

regardless of all else, I highly, highly doubt the wolves would've killed these two players to make you look back because you thought they were scummy; that makes no sense at all

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4654292)

so haku you think manti is trying to frame you?

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4654135)

MML votes: reading into the sunfan vote is pointless as he never votes fg there with his reads up to that point

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4654294)

Yeah. He doesn't even really need to do much. That's the sad part.

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4654295)

i'm a little confused then why he would want to claim credit after the fact that he had a kind of soulread on her being town

rather than it just being something not in his worldview and stuff

in his big post that day she's the lowest of his towns, mostly out of virtue of not being wolfy, and he says he has to reread. it technically aligns with his reads not to vote her but the read doesn't seem as warm to me as this sentiment implies

sunfan?

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654300)

I don't like Manti right now so I want to say this in advance
Manti, if you get lynched today, I reject your complaints about being lynched when you're not here

because so far today you haven't been here at all

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4654301)

Hmm... are you planning on doing something in the next 30 minutes regarding Manti?

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4654301)

Hmm... are you planning on doing something in the next 30 minutes regarding Manti?

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654303)

I'm getting ahead of any potential deadchat complaints

I think he could be lynched here today, yes, plenty of people have said that they're fine with it

I would vote him over some other people but I am still quite happy with my current vote

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4654304)

convince me

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4654302)

smells like you're rarin' to lynch the ole sunfan here

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2 (Post 4653486)

I’m gonna go through top reasons I townread/wolfteam people!

1. Mellonxcollie - idk kinda lame

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2 (Post 4653592)

Raeko feels like she’s getting momentum and I want to veto the raeko lynch because she’s obviously a bit behind and she will not be able to catch up by EOD

I’ve been there, I’m sure most of you have too. Are you voting for her because you think she’s wolfy or because she’s been light on contributing?

Join me on Haku

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4654211)

1. Mellonxcollie
imo either substantially clear via a lot of the game wanting to lynch her or her partners are also piling on, in which case we can still find them

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4654307)

Maybe, but that pretty much depends if Mellon is town here to be honest, and I don't know if I want to believe that quite yet. I've liked thesunfan regardless of my freakout last phase.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4654289)

To me, it feels like Manti has this beautiful wolf agenda of kill Haku today.

He's openly pushing it because it looks cute when we objectively talk about my actions and ignore how I play.

I think he's underestimating the ability of the other players to read me properly despite the weak plays.

I think the Syhto/Neee NKs are conveniently part of making me look even more bad.

That's about it.

DBP I'm honestly having a big issue of "I don't know where you're at with the game" and I don't mean reads or explanations (I gave up on that). I just mean overall level of care etc. I want to give him a chance to properly explain himself if there's something that's stopping him to play like a more typical town DBP game.

On the other hand, Manti was here most of the end of this phase and I didn't really see much that was helpful not only toward me, but also toward any other players in the game.

I'm also more confident in reading DBP properly than Manti later on because he has simply more content to read and react to.

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond (Post 4654308)

3. Wayward Vagabond - deep wolfing hehe

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond (Post 4654308)

5. Precarious - I don't see him as anything by town. I don't understand what raeko and Sunfan where talking about

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654316)

I've said he was probably town so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond (Post 4654318)

I remember you and raeko poking at his reads list for being bad. I may be remembering wrong

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654313)

so maybe you want to lynch me but you've liked me?
???

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4654317)

another emotion read but sunfan feels kind of worn out which reminds me of how I feel

him talking about manti is kind of juicy and I want to hear mkre

manti has now been here and we can thus hold him to proper standards

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4654320)

It depends on mellon being town, which we'll never know. I have a feeling she's town though due to MML's push, but I don't think I should really read too much into it. It just looked like straight up anger regardless of alignment.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4654317)

another emotion read but sunfan feels kind of worn out which reminds me of how I feel

him talking about manti is kind of juicy and I want to hear mkre

manti has now been here and we can thus hold him to proper standards

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4653406)

I'll post a reads list when i have reads... I'm not gonna pull reads out of my ass for a list when most of them are just "uhhh idk tone????"

I feel like reads lists aren't even really a thing anymore, and if they are, it's usually a wolf trying to seem useful and make sure they give enough opinions

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4653426)

Can you name 2 people you 're ok with voting and 2 people you ain't ok with?

There's nothing progressive and cool about not having an idea of where you stand near our second EoD

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4653443)

Precarious (5): theknightsofneee, mellon_collie, Charu, thesunfan, Syhto

The wagon looks pretty clean from my perspective so I would like to think it was a hit, but obviously we have no way of knowing. I'm going to assume it wasn't a hit just for safety sake but I want to believe it was a hit.

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4653467)

I have been posting reads they're just kinda interspersed within my posts

I haven't made a push on anyone if that's what you mean because I haven't found anything on anyone suspicious enough to push on. If I had, I would

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4653479)

So wait, you do have reads?

Post them again we all missed it, and like, say that instead of saying you don't have reads

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4653488)

is it really that hard to ISO someone who has less than 40 posts?

Basic gist: Neee, sunfan, funnygurl, haku towny

Manti slight town

leaves wolves between everyone left

Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4654168)

ok, clearly you already have your mind made up, but I think it's important to look at things from every angle just in case you might be wrong, like you are this time

I never "forgot" that I had reads. you just misunderstood what I was saying and now you think you're onto something that isn't there

[RAEKO QUOTES QUOTE 1 HERE]

[RAEKO QUOTES QUOTE 5 HERE


You misinterpreted my post. I said I did not want to pull reads out of my ass for a list. I had reads on some players, but I didn't want to turn it into a full list because I didn't want to have to make up reads on the players I didn't have reads for.

I never said I didn't have reads. I think someone in that exchange just had a bit of trouble with reading..............

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654311)

I think I really do have to draw objection to this, inD
the wagon on her failed last EOD and so far its just been Lar and I expressing her as lynch candidate numero uno for today as far as I can remember

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4654322)

I like you charu, but this first line is just grosssss
not saying that I disagree with your read on her, though

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4654326)

That should of been done an hour ago but I'm at work and had to do work stuff at the worst time

If anyone esle asked me a question....well I'll answer it doing night phase

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4654333)

manti fine

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654264)

manti, lets assume that with 10 alive, town gets 2 real, real good cracks at making good lynches

who should we lynch to have the best chance of hitting wolves, and why
just one sentence as justification would do it for me

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2 (Post 4654337)

Uhhhh I don't know the only confirms i have this game are Sytho town and Nee town.

That means the pearl stuff could be important because it's likely scum was trying to get rid of a caustic easy human lynch slot.

Thats all that I have as "SOLID EVIDENCE" in this game. everything else is a crapshoot.

I kinda think lynching MML might be good because he was the one sytho was pushing and really only sytho was pushing him, everyone else seemed indecisive. I could 100% see MML in wolf chat going "if we kill sytho I can live though next phase, not sure if we don't"

Idk about a second, raeko seems too easy, but maybe it's a hit?

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4654339)

Manti there was a huge spat between raeko/mml
Could you see them both as being wolf or nah

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2 (Post 4654337)

Uhhhh I don't know the only confirms i have this game are Sytho town and Nee town.

That means the pearl stuff could be important because it's likely scum was trying to get rid of a caustic easy human lynch slot.

Thats all that I have as "SOLID EVIDENCE" in this game. everything else is a crapshoot.

I kinda think lynching MML might be good because he was the one sytho was pushing and really only sytho was pushing him, everyone else seemed indecisive. I could 100% see MML in wolf chat going "if we kill sytho I can live though next phase, not sure if we don't"

Idk about a second, raeko seems too easy, but maybe it's a hit?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4654331)

there's something maybe with the FG opinion but opinions change and shit happens in CFD scenarios

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4654340)

I like Manti here. You shouldn't vote Manti.

Thank you for sheeping my reads tho, but it's bad.

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654069)

so that leaves Manti, Lar, raeko

I kind of don't like that I'm ending up with the same bottom 3 or so, but it is what I have here. I think the worst that I could possibly be playing is only being 1/3 on these three, though, with something like inD, roundbox, [one of the above three] so I think I'm... ok.

Manti, I think it just kind of feels like he's wolfin' more than anything else. I have to firstly admit that I've never seen him have a reaction like that, as a wolf or as town or as anything, to when Charu said what he said. I think it is possible for him to have that response regardless of alignment, and here's why.

Manti and Charu have a little bit of history. A very, very small bit. This is not me using weak language as I often do, its really just a tiny, little bit. Charu has felt singled out for how he formats his postgames (Manti has said that he doesn't like something about how Charu does it, I don't remember what), and Manti sometimes feels like playing with Charu, and I roughly quote "Gives [Manti] flashbacks to 'Nam."

What I don't mean to say here is that they don't like one another. Please do not mistake that for what I am saying. What I am saying is that they can get under one another's skin sometimes. So, when Charu said that he hopes Manti does something later, I can see Manti being particularly annoyed.

Manti is a prideful man. Its what makes good TWG players. I can see Manti taking what Charu said as an affront to his ability to put in a good TWG posting game. Coupled with the fact that I think Manti thinks that some players, Charu and certainly myself included, make too many posts for the game of TWG to be played well. I think that this could all lead him to have that reaction as a wolf.

I would normally not be on this level of thought, but this game is really, really fucking hard for me. Life heard me talking about how complacent I was with my townreads yesterday, and you know what happens from then on.

As an aside, regardless of all else, this definitively means that Charu and Manti can never be wolves together or it would legitimately blow my mind.

The reason I post all of this is because I think that it feels like Manti is a wolf, especially with leaving Charu alive. I posted earlier that I felt like I could hear Manti saying "If we leave Charu alive, townies will get paranoid. They always get paranoid." I don't really have an explanation for Charu being alive still, especially over neee(?) last night (not to say neee wouldn't be a threat to the wolves because he almost always is as a townie etc etc).

This is probably more than I meant to type out on Manti, but there's a few more small things. I think its not good for Manti to be evaluating funny as a wolf. I know he often believes strongly in his reads, as he should, but based on how that wagon developed, and based on how funny was playing, I don't think I can evaluate funny as a wolf, and I don't like that Manti is doing so.

I don't have a lack of reasons to believe that Manti could be town. I still do think that his invocation of syhto's name was townie. I just think it kind of fit in with what I /think/ was a role-neutral response.

I don't like the way that Manti put roundbox off to the side either. I don't think he does that as town past d0.

I will fully admit that this is a complicated read and I do sincerely believe that, more often than not, reads that are very complicated are incredibly unlikely to be right for the right reasons.

In very, very brief terms, it just feels like Manti is wolfing because I have no other explanation for Charu being alive as town.

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4654350)

What is this post???

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4654351)

read the very last sentence if you have to, DBP, but I kind of dont' want to repeat myself from earlier on Manti

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4654340)

I like Manti here. You shouldn't vote Manti.

Thank you for sheeping my reads tho, but it's bad.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4654344)

manti do you think haku is still a wolf

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4654358)

haku pivoting on the spot makes me ??? about his relationship with manti

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4654356)

uhg

sunfan is telling me to ignore the associatives so

raeko

roundbox just made a post i liked too aaaaa

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4654358)

haku pivoting on the spot makes me ??? about his relationship with manti

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2 (Post 4654337)

I could 100% see MML in wolf chat going "if we kill sytho I can live though next phase, not sure if we don't"