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Actually, you guys would be waiting until the 8th... lol

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You guys just can't wait to get your simfiles rejected

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exactly :mrgreen:

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lol

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lol rejectionmanias

P.S contributing to the +1 post count club

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enough of the manias its getting annoying

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+1manias.

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you have no idea how much this annoys me now

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pat hater >:[

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pat invented it. you all killed his once great joke but it's been beaten like a frenchie at a british loyalist convention.

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enough is enough damn it

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thats right dossar a huge portion of this hate is towards you

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I already saw that a long time ago actually

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LOL i got influenced by dossar so blame him for my manias :P

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toomuchmanias?

I'll be interested to see what the cutoffs for the hard/easy packs will be. "High VC"? Mid-high FMO?

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Personally, I would really like to see a "New Artists Batch" more than anything. Granted, low difficulty special batches would also be awesome, but a special batch for new artists is like top priority imo.

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Both, new music artists, and new step artists imo.

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+1 Nice thinking Detective Victor ;]

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I dunno about that... I think that would mean the batch would be about 1/3 of the size it would normally be. Also, us simfile artists are excluded D:

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Haha, that would be a bit unfair with the veteran simfile artists. Plus, just like megamon said, that would greatly reduce the total batch size. xD

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The idea of having an exclusive "new simfile author" batch would be a good opportunity to get non-veteran simfile authors submitting, although the batch would probably diminish in size and we probably won't need as many active judges. And arguably, the file quality will be of lower standards in comparison to regular batches, so the strictness with judging might also have to be adjusted to be a little more lenient, otherwise nothing will get accepted.

If something like that is established though, would I be allowed to submit? Technically, I still haven't submitted a single file to FFR, rofl.

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I think the new music artist batch idea is a good one. The list for artists we have permission from is pretty big and I'd guess over half of the artists in the list don't have a chart.

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New artist is a must.

And instead of New Stepartist are batch, how about a low profile. Say less than 2 or 3 files in game.

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people with >2 files in ffr should be able to submit to batches for "new" artists.

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I agree, that seems a bit more fair. If it happens, an announcement on the home page should be put up so that more people are aware. Otherwise, as it's been assumed, the amount of submissions will be significantly lowered.

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Is it tomorrow yet?

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Batch notes are up. . .

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Huh? no..? Am I missing something, here?

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Yea, check again man.

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You lie D:

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oh you guys

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D:< Now entering pissed mode

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krunky brought up an important thought earlier. Who are we still waiting for notes from? Because he thinks that psychoangel [Kayla] went into labor since neither of them have been online and her due date was Thursday.

Just something to keep in mind and be aware of. They may pop in and say "naw, we were just busy". I ask about who has finished notes because I wasn't sure if they had finished theirs.

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I've been online just not much today cause AJ needed my comp for schoolwork all day. I always get my notes in on time no worries :p

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Pre-final exam cram from me and I'm having trouble hopping onto the internet with my backup laptop for some reason, so I pumped a good 12 hours of study time today (can't get straight As without busting your ass :)) on Kayla's laptop. Gonna probably be busy tomorrow as well.

Also, Kayla has access to the internet on her cell phone, so she could post the forums if an emergency came up anyway, not to mention that there's internet in the hospital.

No labor yet, though.

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Well the only other person not mentioned is Patashu. I haven't saw him on FFR lately though.

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It's like Christmas morning!

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Patashu hasn't been on much anywhere. I hardly see him on TS but then again I'm hardly ever on the TS chat because 90% of the time I'm on my phone

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patashu is in irc lots actually

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Best of luck when she decides to drop you two :]

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It's like Christmas day! Where's my presents :<

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The Patashu who stole Christmas stole Christmas! :(

If I remember correctly, he risks a ban of some sort, right?

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yeah but he rarely says anything in both #kbo and #gaym

pretty sure he just leaves the window open and reads logs later

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lol Patashu's MIA.

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Ohey I have ratings

[+] 10
[+.] 6
[+?] 5
[?] 1
[-] 1

Resubs
[+] 2
[+.] 2

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Where the batch notes be?
D:

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Read OP, not going to be released until Midnight.

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Uhh, what?

If Patashu does not submit, I have to decide whether to wait or just release notes with only three judges within his section (instead of four). It might be the latter. Dunno right now.

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I just found the post that led me to believe this. I bet I read it too fast:

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=166

/fail, k?

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hahaha

Mario, you gotta realize when people are pulling your legs. :p

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Do you think you could get a backup judge to cover Pat's parts?

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assuming that person would be able to judge with haste!

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ok it looks it's unlikely that we get notes from patashu, so quick backup judgement would be good.

My idea: splitting patashu's part into 2-3 parts. I can do one of these parts too (or if there's a judge who can do quick judgement of nearly 30 files, that's fine).

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Proportion the scale back to how it was with three judges, adding a fourth judge to tend to borderline files ONLY (for that group).

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The only reason why I've suggested a possibility of only three judges is because despite the fact four judges supposedly gives some leeway in scores, even one judge profoundly affects the final outcome. In other words, I think that four judges isn't really creating a true buffer in opinions. That's what it seemed like in past batches.

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Just contacted Patashu and he said that he won't be able to finish judging within the next 2 hours so we definitely need a back-up.

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If you need someone to do it quickly I can do it. I know I'm not the first choice but I'm going to be up for a while tonight and I'm available. I have a resub in that set of files though so someone else would have to judge that one.

If it's okay with you jimerax, I can go half and half with you. Let me know.

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Wouldn't splitting Patashu's up between a couple people just kinda cause issues? With the differing of experience/opinions I don't see that as being the best idea. I really think that being it's this late already just go off a 3 judge system for that group and have someone come in for the borderlines like AJ suggested. It's really not fair to the people who have been waiting to have to wait longer for someone to complete notes now.

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lol man, if it's going to be this quickly hashed up, I'll have a harder time taking these last set of notes seriously. The quality of assessment is never the same when you compare reviews done in 2 hours compared to reviews completed in even one or two days.

I can see the idea becoming quite messy if the plan moves forward like this.

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Yea bmah has a really good point there too. It's kinda hard to make a good judgements in such a short period of time.

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perhaps 3 judges notes is sufficient?

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That's what I've been saying all along haha.

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Whatever happens, happens. I just foresee a problem with only 3 judges..

Randomly thought of this, it may sound stupid. If only 3 judges are used for that group, of the grades received, could you possibly add the average of the 3 scores to be the 4th score? Example; a file received 4, 4, 3. Average of those is 3.67 and that or the rounded up or down of the average would be the "fourth judge". Then the total score for that file would be 14/15 depending on how you calculated it.

Just a thought :/

EDIT: Thought #2 [yea, I'm full of them]. Even though this is likely what does happen already, just make the judging out of 15 instead and determine what would be accepted out of 15, which would likely be something along the lines of 12+.

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In case of tie breakers just send to other judges like was done with all the other files. This would throw off the point system though since it was based off 4 judges' scores.

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this seems like the best solution, because the three initial judge ratings wouldn't be affected, whereas adding a fourth could potentially mess them up due to pressure of time constraints, etc.

EDIT: forgot to add something -- there would be two separate borderlines for the batch; 4 group batch would have either 15/16 and 3 would be 11/12, right? then have all judges vote on borderline files.

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Halogen: nah, a file from the 3-judge part of the batch would need at least 17 out of 15 points to make it ingame. 16 out of 15 would be okay if people really like the file. Why would we bother changing the bar just because there are fewer judges?


Honestly I think 3 judges is no worse than 4. One judge can already ruin a file by giving it a -, and 3 judges doesn't really make that situation any better or worse.

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25/15 for [++]. no need to adjust.

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Brenton Mah 9:58 pm
I'm sort of leaning for you to be the 4th judge then.

jimerax (jimerax) is available 10:11 pm
jimerax 10:12 pm
fine

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Make patashus judgements all be +. And release the notes

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haha, that'd be awesome

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*humbly opens himself up to judging for the next batch*


Since I'm not going to be busy ever again (no longer in the military)

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By the way people, notes will not be released today. Expect them sometime by the end of the week, or whenever jx is done.

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:( I might be in the hospital by then.

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We've used a 3 judge system before, why not use it here? It seems rather pointless to wait. In a three judge system, if a file is getting accepted by all the judges, it's most certainly going to get accepted by judge #4, and if it doesn't, it's an unnecessary skew of ratings that will cause even more issues.

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Metro (DossarLX ODI) - 16 (5/5/1/5)

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I kinda agree with this, I think most people would rather have their reviews now than wait a week for a fourth set to be done. Speaking as a judge, too, I wouldn't mind judging the borderline files. It seems more efficient to just leave it as three judges for this time around.

Nuance.

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I call dibs on Outer Space before you step all of the Jenkees :P
Also I have a chart of Throwing Fire if you're interested (its got holds though).

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remove the holds in throwing fire and submit it to the batch, nothing wrong with some competition :p

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Has to be next round. I only get the 1 song to submit :(

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you should have 2 submissions i think...

Also, if you read the OP, they're saying something about having the batch closed for a while, and if you read the last couple pages of posts, theres something about special batches that might periodically open. So.....