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The above is a long summation of everything I found objectionable about Mondo while running through his game with a fine-toothed comb, and a few things here and there are minor or exaggerated dings. There are certainly sections (which is to be expected in a hundred posts) that feel towny to me--mostly a sense of restless probing. But the thing is, beyond the three themes hit above, there feels like an awful lot of accusations and work and directions with surprisingly little actual detective work. There doesn't seem to be any real effort to dig in and figure out who's a wolf. Even his most recent post

basically just throws his suspicions to the winds. I feel kind of bad harping on this one, because I actually understand the feeling. Parsing Mondo so closely makes you see a lot, the good and the bad, and I kind of hate the meta of rigid certainty that this game seems to demand. But in this case, it speaks again to that reluctance to push. Maybe it's just that activity has dropped way off, but it's amazing how much more of a central theme there was to his first day, with the ID stuff and especially the hammered case against Aoi. If he could manage so many Aoi posts based on a single sentence, where's that attention now, with so much more information available?

Even the Chihiro thing feels like a copout. Chihiro would be a very poor choice for acquisition—they're the only town power role remaining and the doctor is gone (meaning a likely nightkill target going forward, presumably dangerous to the Acqui), and we've already sort of established that Danganronpa can at least be used as a logic check against them (in the sense that a correct answer doesn't clear them, but a wrong/slow answer condemns them). Both of these factors would make Chihiro a poor Acqui target.

It's possible, ultimately, that Mondo is a town player who doesn't know how or where to direct his energies in a game where so many players have been inactive, and where no one really seems to be jumping out as an obvious wolf. But his behavior has major problems that on balance point away from town, and make much more sense as a wolf.

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The day ends again tonight and the thread has been quiet for hours. I see Byakuya and Sakura lurking so...yeah.

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I don't much like two things about this kyoko posting:

1) it's against a single person almost entirely despite there being 2 wolves in the game + aqui

2) it feels mostly in response to the pressure; that is to say, I doubt this effort would have come without being pressured into it...

The reason I don't like point 1 is that technically this is very close to mylo potentially (if aqui is a town right now, then they go into a town, and the wolves get their 2 kills, we're down to 5 with only 2 town which might be parity actually...? Idk how it works)

Basically it's at the point where wolves only really need to push for one mislynch potentially to win which is... yikes

Its not guaranteed of course and there's a lot that is out of our control etc but the notion is still there... also hello

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Also I did look back and i don't think the yasuhiro periods thing held any merit tbh

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I mean, I don't entirely disagree that the punctuation thing is weak, but if Yasu wasn't the Acqui, what exactly happened last night? I suppose the Acqui could like their current account, but staying in one place slows down the rate at which the game population goes down.

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Which is one reason why I name dropped you and Byakuya when I saw you below. (And I see Leon now as well.) Discussion, any discussion, is a good thing right now.

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I wasn't able to post in the thread until now.

Mondo's fascination with the ID wolf is odd, but I don't know how it incriminates him.

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that's a lot of text holy shit

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Frankly I don't know if its worth really thinking about cause there's a lot we don't know(?) and regardless of what happened, it's happened...

There's a chance aqui tried to go into yasuhiro (lol)
There's a chance yasuhiro doctor'd the wolf kill (also lol)

Regardless I don't think it's worth wasting a ton of energy on at this point?

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Bad post

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Early in the game, Mondo made a joke about playing the game in real time using Shakespeare quotes. The relevant quote here is, "The lady doth protest too much." I think Mondo is the identity wolf, and their overemphasis on that role throughout the game stems from that. Normally when scumhunting, I wouldn't bother trying to guess which wolf I think somebody is, because alignment-indicative behavior doesn't necessarily speak to a role. But in this case I can't get over the exaggerated effect--they're thinking about it too much, and it bleeds into their posts.

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it reads as exaggeratedly worrying about a threat that never affects him

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eat me

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Byakuya do you have any thoughts of your own dude?

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Sakura's post shook me because I didn't internalize how close we were to MYLO/endgame.

With being this close to MYLO/endgame, I don't think we have the luxury of avoiding inactive players. There's two inactives (Makoto + Mukuro) and 2 wolves left. There is a chance that they are the wolves. I'm posting this because I completely forgot Mukuro existed until Chihiro mentioned them.

Something I'm also guilty of is narrowing down my vote choices as if I have the time to be wrong, so I'm going to temporarily... not. Here is the list of alive players who aren't Chihiro:

2) Byakuya Togami
8) Kyoko Kirigiri
9) Leon Kuwata
10) Makoto Naegi
11) Mondo Owada
12) Mukuro Ikusaba
13) Sakura Ogami

It might help to expand our scope and provide reads for everyone. At least, that is what I'll start to do now.

^^^ I tried posting this once already, argh. At least I copied it.

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I will

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Can you explain how it never affects him?

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Yo we have 57 mins

Can we get some shit vocalized pls


I kinda wanna vote kyoko

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I don't think kyoko is a wolf.

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So I had to eat right after I made that last post...

I'm going to look at people who aren't Mondo and Kyoko for half an hour and then be back.

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Oh

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I've been reviewing Mukuro and...there's pretty much nothing to say. They've been almost aggressive unhelpful, to the point of trolling the game. That makes their occasional bursts of content actually relevant to the game almost jarring.

This one is interesting to me because it can be read several different ways.

It could be read like they know who is and isn't town. The problem is, given that Mondo had just made a post that town-reading several people, and since Mukuro's game has been so aggressively non-helpful and jokey, it tonally reads more to me like "I know more than you guys do because I'm brilliant lololol" combinded with a dash of "a bunch of town reads is weak." But given that Mondo town-read Mukuro there, I almost more inclined to take it as more of a jokey, "look I'm town, he says so."

This one isn't just game-relevant, but also dispenses with the usual tone.

Back to the joke tone. Don't like this post at all though. Voting for literally no reason just to have a vote isn't suddenly acceptable because of a sense of self-awareness for your own trolling. It's like Mukuro thinks they can get away with doing whatever because "I'm not taking this seriously anyway, so I can't be the bad guy."

I mean, I get this. I obviously do a lot of retroactive analysis myself, but I do so to try to ultimately move the game forward. Combined with the "confirmed blue" post, it feels like they're asking questions to simulate engagement and content. But there's not actually any effort being made toward solving the game, and the posts I skipped over are basically all jokes or otherwise irrelevant.

The thing is, they haven't posted since June 20. Not sure whether a modkill is incoming or not, but it's hard to read them as town in any case. So I lean scum here, but...there's really not all that much to go on either way.

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I've been reviewing Mukuro and...there's pretty much nothing to say. They've been almost aggressive unhelpful, to the point of trolling the game. That makes their occasional bursts of content actually relevant to the game almost jarring.

This one is interesting to me because it can be read several different ways.

It could be read like they know who is and isn't town. The problem is, given that Mondo had just made a post that town-reading several people, and since Mukuro's game has been so aggressively non-helpful and jokey, it tonally reads more to me like "I know more than you guys do because I'm brilliant lololol" combinded with a dash of "a bunch of town reads is weak." But given that Mondo town-read Mukuro there, I almost more inclined to take it as more of a jokey, "look I'm town, he says so."

This one isn't just game-relevant, but also dispenses with the usual tone.

Back to the joke tone. Don't like this post at all though. Voting for literally no reason just to have a vote isn't suddenly acceptable because of a sense of self-awareness for your own trolling. It's like Mukuro thinks they can get away with doing whatever because "I'm not taking this seriously anyway, so I can't be the bad guy."

I mean, I get this. I obviously do a lot of retroactive analysis myself, but I do so to try to ultimately move the game forward. Combined with the "confirmed blue" post, it feels like they're asking questions to simulate engagement and content. But there's not actually any effort being made toward solving the game, and the posts I skipped over are basically all jokes or otherwise irrelevant.

The thing is, they haven't posted since June 20. Not sure whether a modkill is incoming or not, but it's hard to read them as town in any case. So I lean slightly scum here, but...there's really not all that much to go on either way.

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This is the third time I've tried to post this message.

I've been reviewing Mukuro and...there's pretty much nothing to say. They've been almost aggressive unhelpful, to the point of trolling the game. That makes their occasional bursts of content actually relevant to the game almost jarring.

This one is interesting to me because it can be read several different ways.

It could be read like they know who is and isn't town. The problem is, given that Mondo had just made a post that town-reading several people, and since Mukuro's game has been so aggressively non-helpful and jokey, it tonally reads more to me like "I know more than you guys do because I'm brilliant lololol" combinded with a dash of "a bunch of town reads is weak." But given that Mondo town-read Mukuro there, I almost more inclined to take it as more of a jokey, "look I'm town, he says so."

This one isn't just game-relevant, but also dispenses with the usual tone.

Back to the joke tone. Don't like this post at all though. Voting for literally no reason just to have a vote isn't suddenly acceptable because of a sense of self-awareness for your own trolling. It's like Mukuro thinks they can get away with doing whatever because "I'm not taking this seriously anyway, so I can't be the bad guy."

I mean, I get this. I obviously do a lot of retroactive analysis myself, but I do so to try to ultimately move the game forward. Combined with the "confirmed blue" post, it feels like they're asking questions to simulate engagement and content. But there's not actually any effort being made toward solving the game, and the posts I skipped over are basically all jokes or otherwise irrelevant.

The thing is, they haven't posted since June 20. Not sure whether a modkill is incoming or not, but it's hard to read them as town in any case. So I lean scum here, but...there's really not all that much to go on either way.

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because he's a wolf lol

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Mukuro: Not a fan

I don't think Mukuro has done a single town-sided thing. They only spend a lot of time posting when someone accuses them. Also, they literally admitted they voted for someone (Leon) without reason.

It's not the best look. But he also doesn't care. I don't think he's trying to act townie. I've been looking for posts that could have been helpful

^ Light push. Not followed through

^ hunting for acquisitioner. Not necessarily town-sided and not our #1 issue.

^ about me potentially being acquisitioner. Again, not helpful. Sheeped Chihiro(?). Hasn't grilled me

^ suspicion but never followed through

These aren't in order and don't have the time.

Makoto: A townier inactive than Mukuro, for sure. He hasn't said enough for me to make a strong read on him, but I especially liked that Celestia vote because of his reasoning. I'm confused why Makoto's not going after Leon.

Like null/town?

^ Didn't push on Aoi. Aoi was town, so this is null

^ I like this skepticism of Junko's "hard-read" on Aoi.

^ I think Makoto made many promises to be present and then didn't deliver. He said it was due to an IRL situation, so eh.

^ Even though Makoto was wrong here I liked that he had the balls to vote for Celestia and call her out for a move that was kinda sketch.

^ I think I've liked what Makoto's said and done, even with his absences.

^ I find it odd that Makoto didn't hunt Leon, though

10 min. I'll try to get one more person.

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I feel like a sheep

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Lol! (?)

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a mukuro lynch doesn't really make sense here if they're just going to be modkilled anyway

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Sakura: I've been town-reading Sakura because I liked the way he tore apart people's posts. However, I think it's a problem that the people that Sakura has wolf-read have died, and they haven't been wolves. Sakura has been wrong, so I don't think his posts deserve the town points that people have been giving him.

If we're assuming Mukuro will be mod-killed and she's not a lynch candidate, then I would want Sakura to die more than Makoto.

^this post seems manufactured. Don't like calling Aoi a "clear town"

^ I like this post because I was also wary of Chihiro for similar reasons

^ I think I didn't consider Sakura as a wolf this game because he kept tearing apart people's posts like this, which seems like Sakuara has a very towny-mindset. But it was wrong

^ I like this post, too. But it was also wrong

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Who are we forgetting about
It feels like there's uh
A missing piece or something

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@thesunfan please approve my post about Sakura! I don't have the time to write it again

Sakura looks like he's been hunting wolves, but his wolf-reads have died and they have been wrong.

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I just want to add in case the post won't be approved that I think Mukuro's scummier than Sakura, but I'm banking on the modkill happening.

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I think everyone's been town-reading Sakura because it looks like he's been helping, but we don't have the luxury to do that right now.

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I have approved several posts that needed moderator approval

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I'm going to look at Leon again for a bit.

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ok well I'm going to go forward with mondo, I still think he's our best shot and getting chaotic in the last five minutes is going to help nobody

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the phase started with a discussion on him and over the course of the day he's vanished from the center of attention

it's really greasy

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somewhere in today's conversation (this page basically) there have been 3 lynch candidates brought up

I think someone in [Sakura/Byakuya] have tried to divert attention away from the AFK Mondo

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Wait why does being wrong = being wolf, fill me in on how that all falls on me...?

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possibly Kyoko but she initially laid a massive case against mondo so I don't think she'd be covering for him

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I don't have time to say anything about Leon ugh.

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there's one minute in phase

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You're arguably as dumb as me anyways or a wolf so I don't think I really care what you have to say about leon
Gonna vote kyoko in a min I think

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Mondo's fallen out of notice mostly because he's been absent, I think. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

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But in spite of that imo he remains the best option.

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sakura is trying to deflect off of mondo

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I think it's significant for you because the people you wolf-read have actually died, and they flipped town. Chihiro's also kinda guilty of this, but he's confirmed town.

It looks like you're pretending to help. I feel like this vote won't gain traction anyway, but if we're both alive tomorrow I'm grilling you

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Now the Aqui really comes into play. My first reads are that there's no way kyoko is a wolf but obv she could be compromised. I'd give her 70/30 odds in favor of being town because I think she's an unattractive aqui target. If you want to be in my town circle you need to convince me your the same person.

Byakuya I feel like it's 33/33/33. They are the wild card here, they have been playing solid but most good wolves do. He would be the most likely target for aquisition because he has a lot of town cred without an annoying quirk to play around.

Sakura is most likely mafia giving her 60/15/25 odds of mafia / Aqui / town respectively. I doubt that she was taken over because of the pressure she was under. I think weak scum is most likely with an outside chance for weak town (like myself if I'm being honest but let's not live in the past)

sakura until further notice

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Also I'm garbage for missing 2 votes and realize if phantoms were a thing the game would be thrown by me.

Oops

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At least I don't think they are

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How on earth are you still reading Kyoko as town???? After Leon flipped, seriously?

Go back and read the last two EODS and see all the relationships between Leon and Kyoko. It's appallingly obvious that Kyoko's slot is wolf. Kyoko

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Actually, nevermind, I'll do it for you

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Can the town even win here?

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Wait I think we have a shot if the acquisitioner took over the other wolf.

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In any case, strong feeling that Makoto's been acquisitioned. He doesn't post that much, and all of a sudden he's here at the start of the phase making multiple posts? Nah.

I just don't know if he's a wolf.

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EXHIBIT A: Two phases ago:

When Kyoko was getting traction for a lynch.

Wherein Leon actively reverses the burden of proof because he has no justification for why he thinks Kyoko is town. He just rebuts with "well... why ISN'T SHE TOWN?"

his
Again, Leon gives the weak answer "maybe she's just playing into character??????" despite thinking that roleplaying is inherently sketchy. Yeah okay pal.

Wherein he tries to further justify why Kyoko is town because she's roleplaying. (p.s. it's bullshit)

Even Chihiro catches this

Leon turns the tables completely away from Kyoko by baiting everyone into voting for Yasahiro.

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Probably not but I still want to nail Kyoko here.

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Uhh... what changed here Makoto?

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And then Chihiro blocked Kyoko...

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Yeah... tbh

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fake as shit response to a textwall from a partner

which, again, NOTED

This makes zero sense coming from you when you've been doing the same exact shit hombre.

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Notice how Leon conveniently ignored Kyoko and then immediately fixed it, but with less strength he does to me and Byakuya. honestly it's just "hey I have to do this so ppl don't call me out on it" kind of thing.

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And here, finally, Kyoko gets her lipservice of "I might be wrong!" but then realizes that she kind of has to get this Mondo lynch through so she covers her tracks IMMEDIATELY after saying that.

I will have your head Kyoko.

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There's also only 24 hours in this phase.

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The only way town can win here is if Kyoko was acquisitioned last night I think. So, whatever, but I'm going out on my own terms.

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Actually if we no-lynch here, the acqui and the wolf can kill each other in the night? Not sure how that works but maybe

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That's really unlikely. I think Kyoko has a unique writing style that's not worth the effort to emulate.

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I checked Kyoko's D0 and she voted for Junko. There was no interaction between Kyoko and Sayaka, but Sayaka didn't interact much anyway.

I'm hesitant to accept a world where Kyoko is a wolf because if that's true, then the town is probably going to lose.

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Hey I knew someone would be skeptical of me cause I posted a wall of text after ghosting most of the game.


I'm sure you would have rather I just forgot this game existed huh? Get out of here with that basic shot


Also victory might be close to impossible like Sakura said. It might be just us deciding which antitown faction wins.

unvote .

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I have to leave again for a long stretch but I'll be back before eod assuming I don't fall asleep from exhaustion

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No Lynch might be the way to go here

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Right now, there are four players remaining. The player pool composition is necessarily either 2 town, 1 acquisitioned town, and 1 wolf; or 3 town and 1 acquisitioned wolf.

We can still win scenario (2) by lynching the acquisitioned wolf, essentially killing two birds with one stone. Scenario (1) is more difficult. In that case, we'd have to deliberately no-lynch (a possibility I don't see addressed in the OP, so not sure if it's valid), then hope for a specific set of night events. We would need the wolf to target the current Acqui (or we'll lose a 1:1:1 or 1:1 tomorrow depending on what powers the the Acqui chose), and if the Acqui survives that (my understanding of order of operations here is that the wolf kill would occur first), they have to possess the wolf.

If we lynch a town player today, we lose. If we lynch an individual wolf or Acqui today, we also lose. In other words, any lynch right now defeats us unless the wolf and the Acqui are the same person.

We can, however, instantly win by lynching a wolf-Acqui. We can survive to the night by no-lynching, but that takes control of the game completely out of our hands and essentially leaves it to (unfavorable) RNG, specifically the two scenarios outlined above.