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like, it's super easy to see someone doing what they feel is friendly jabbing to their friend and think 'wow they're kind of an asshole, I better stay out of their way' and there's no need for that sort of misunderstanding to be possible in the first place if something could be viewed as toxic regardless of the intention behind it maybe don't post it in the first place |
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some people don't use friendly jabs at all, they've just never done it or are afraid to be mean or whatever. while for others it is a part of their daily interactions with people and part of the way they talk to their friends. They would have to make a conscious effort to change the way they talk while playing while other player's wouldn't. And the more aggressive players would be more likely to be perceived as wolfy for sounding "unnatural" not to even mention people's varying levels of tolerance for "toxic" behaviour. depending on the audience everything or nothing could be perceived as toxic and how is someone who is making the post supposed to know how someone else is going to read into it? it's just super confusing |
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Like I agree that straight up insults, personal attacks etc cross the line. But I think trying to police those is going to be really hard because of all the things I have brought up.
That's why I think Freezi's solution of "get a few more mods, and if problems arise have the mods deal with it in post-game" is the best solution |
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This post pretty much summarizes how I feel about posts like the ones from Shadow earlier. Posts in the games always just feel like friendly banter - or like I guess a good modern equivalent would be playing among us, where you would speak more on the cuff, and loose with your friends. That's how I've treated TWG. Quote:
Like there's two instances I can think of where everyone did just that, that's LTWG when I called Roundbox a white-knight, and actually funny enough when I blew up over being modkilled at roundbox. I already feel less genuine because I actively go out of my way to keep my posts more tame. I think some of you are too boomer, and attached to swear words being swear words instead of just really versatile words. In short, Trevor to answer your question, I'm already less genuine because I don't talk in twg the same way I do IRL. If I didn't like most of you, this conversation would be very, very different. |
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what sort of dealing with it would the mods be doing, exactly are we talking like game bans, probationary periods, stern warnings, what's the plan there |
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^ | | | | This post is brought to you by someone's interpretation, one of the silly things I mentioned previously in the thread! Hooray for interpretation! |
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I do think having the ability to ban in a worst case Ontario is still a good idea so maybe a global mod? or maybe a TWG subforum group that mods can kick people out of the group (this is what we have for tgb). but the problem with that is people have to apply/be added manually in order to be kicked out of the forum group |
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...I'm assuming that's how it's going to work out anyways. |
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having the ability to ban would be a very good thing, so if we don't outright get a gmod on the roster then having one on standby to help would be solid |
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twg mods do have the ability to hand out bans through infractions
I think i've said this too many times in thread, but there's too much specificity in each scenario of "is it a friend making funny insults towards someone they know well" or "person unabashedly flaming a new person" if i'm saying "wow you were pretty toxic towards xyz", but xyz says "no it's actually ok" then I don't see a reason to take action. if i say "wow you were pretty toxic towards xyz" and xyz says "yeah it really sucked" then yeah, warning, and follow through with game bans if the behavior persists. The only way I see this resolving is if people don't speak for someone else, but the people in question being able to say something. i'm still advocating for just transparency in postgame (or during game, in private to a non-playing twg mod). This whole entire thread and debate becomes more clear cut if the person who's being talked to in a toxic manner is empowered and is given the agency to speak up |
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like I said before, almost everyone has been toxic on multiple occasions over the years it just doesn't have to be this way and, moving forward, I'd like there to be a much lower amount of this Quote:
I think that there ought to be some punishment for being toxic in a game, harsher for repeat offenders. Why did I make this thread? its to begin the discussion, and to let people know that I am looking for TWG mods. Discord is great and all, but this is the place that the most people check and will actually read the large amount of words that people post, whereas discord is uh... not that I knew there would be some drama to making this thread. I knew it, and I did it anyways because I think its important. Sometime in the future, there will be enforcement against toxicity, and this is to begin discussion about toxicity, as well as let people know what the future will eventually bring. I don't know the specifics. This thread was made partly to figure out the specifics. When the specifics are known, everyone will know. Firstly, I want to get two new mods to help moderate and provide input. As for acknowledgement, I feel like there has been some. By posting in the thread, you've acknowledged it. Maybe I don't understand what you're saying here. Quote:
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i think it's in my best interest to step outta this thread for now
sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings with my posts-- i know I singled out a few of you here but it wasn't my intention to say that you're the problem anyways i hope sunfan makes a lit decision for moving forward |
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not everyone uses discord or is in the server - sending a forum pm is probably easier
maybe sending a pm to all the mods in one message is the way to go? that way they can confer on what action to take, if any, get both sides of things, etc. it also helps prevent situations where one mod gets messaged and the other mods are out of the loop |
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A known band-aid solution for those who cannot help themselves when they get heated is to type a heated message and then delete it. It's helped me in the past and I think it was also a suggestion in the past for some as a means to get it off your chest but not actually post it and tarnish the healthiness of the game.
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I rant about stuff constantly so even if I'm not particularly heated in TWG I'll sometimes rant to my parents about it. They have literally no idea what I'm talking about because their response every single time is "so are you a wolf?" but it still helps to sort my thoughts out and get things off my chest lol |
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Adding a couple more mods sounds fine to me (and I'm cool with the names that've been suggested). I also like the reporting/tip-line feature too.
Outside of those more formal things, us being more proactive in telling people to chill out or letting them know they crossed a line would probably help out. I know in my own personal experience I've crossed lines that I would've remained oblivious to crossing had people not pointed it out to me. Also, I know I've seen posts where, were they directed at me, I would've told the person to relax, but since they weren't I just kept scrolling...but if we get like five people telling someone to chill, chances are they're gonna be more likely to chill. Ultimately, this is a really complicated issue with no one-size-fits-all solution. We can only try out different arrangements and see if they bring us closer to where we wanna be. |
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