FFR & The Human Potential

[EAGAMES]

I'm holding a regular conversation of FFR with a fellow FFR member. Talking about how gay Club is, how the scoring system is unusual, and that we dislike it (I don't mind it). Suddenly, we're in a debate about how good one can get.

I'm going to post the conversation so you know how we got to where we got, and recognize where we both stand, and our views upon this topic.

It started like this...

Originally Posted by FFR Member

I hate the scoring system on FFR. Totally shouldn't be based on combo.

I seen one guys profile the other day.
Some random guy I clicked on.
He FCed Southern Cross and on his RT was like "My best FCs: Southern Cross, Adventures of Lolo, blah blah blah" I was like "uhhhhhhhh..." looked at his replays... His Southern Cross replay had 1,000 boos on it, and I'm sure Adventures of Lolo looked just like it.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
I think the scoring system is fine. I think all scoring systems are fine. You just need to get better. FCing songs aren't hard unless it's CP/DP (for most). Besides, it all comes down to who can get the best possible score. So, it doesn't really matter.

Originally Posted by FFR Member

That's my point, though. On songs, like Adventures of Lolo, and stuff that are insane, people can button mash it all the way through and get a higher score than someone who got maybe 20 goods, but missed 2-3 times, and broke the combo 2-3 seperate times.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
If he got 2/3 CBs, that member should whore Lolo, and would own the masher's scores. You saw how many people mashed Almost There, and got a Top 10 score?

Was about to start bragging.

Originally Posted by FFR Member

Newp. I don't pay attention to scores.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
You will once you get more competative, and better.

This is where the topic starts to develop...

Originally Posted by FFR Member

Meh, I play for fun. This game isn't really like normal games. You could only get so good. Once you get there with the other handful of people, it's just who performs better on a given week that decides who gets a AAA first.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
What?

Originally Posted by FFR Member

There's a skill cap.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
No. If there's a skill cap, how much better could I get?

Originally Posted by FFR Member

Not much.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
How much not much?

Originally Posted by FFR Member

What do you want me to give you? A number I pull out my ass? I'm saying once you're able to consistently perform well on FGOs, FMOs, etc... you have the highest ability possible needed to AAA/FC anything new.

lol at first part.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
So, I will never PFC CP because it's impossible due to a skill cap? Will I ever SDB DP while FCing?

That'd be so kewl if I could.

Originally Posted by FFR Member

You already have the ability to do it.

I wish.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
NO, LOL!!! OMG,you have no idea how hard that is...

srsly. >_>

Originally Posted by FFR Member

its putting it all together for those 2 minutes or w/e

Okay... /sarcasm

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

You're right. I look at it that why, though it's kinda freakin impossible for me at the moment.

Very impossible.

Originally Posted by FFR Member

You could only play a trill so many ways. You can only jack so many ways. Eventually, every song will be similar to other songs, or at least parts of it. It will be like putting it all together, and not making a mistake for 3 minutes. It's not that you can't do it. If you can do 32nd streams, no matter how many different 32nd streams from other songs, you have the ability to PFC them. All it comes down to is not making mistakes. It's like you, and the handful of other people that are av rank 1-10. All of you are the first one to SDG insane songs, AAA them, or whatever. The competition is about who can do it without making the mistake, not who can learn something new.

I need to learn how to do Club. =/

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
No. There are some songs that only two/three people in the world can pass. How are you supposed to do a 2/3 minute song of non-stop 64th jacks?

Random song that possibly doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by FFR Member

That's the part where human abilities enter.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
You have to LEARN how to do them.
It's impossible to just do them without knowing how to vibrate.

Originally Posted by FFR Member

There's a point you reach where, no matter how hard you try, your body itself can't do it. It's like saying there's five more Michael Phelps out there that just have to learn how to do it. You can work your ass off, and come close, but there's a reason why only 2-3 can do a certain song because it's nearly inhuman, and is something that either comes somewhat naturally with a bit of work, or doesn't ever come.

No! I will probably suck at Club forever if this is true. T_T

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

EAG says:
It's not inhuman to learn how to vibrate 100x faster than 90% of the world (random statistics to get an idea). That's like saying it's inhumanly impossible to do streams. You have to have some type of gift in order to do basic ones. As long as you don't have any disabilities like carpal tunnel, or only two fingers you can do all these "inhuman" things. You just need loads of practice.

That'd suck if you had two fingers total.

Originally Posted by FFR Member

Meh, I disagree, but we'll agree to disagree.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

You know what, this debate sounds like it has potential to be an okay thread.

Epic* (maybe)

Originally Posted by FFR Member

Lol. Just copy/paste our discussion in the thread. I'm scared to see what this will turn into. x.x

Did that.

... and I'm stopping here. Obviously, a fellow member (and a lot of people) has a fixed-mindset (you can only get so good), while I posses a growth-mindset (as long as you keep on practicing and have determination, you can get as good as you want).
_

I think we both hold good points (of course I think I'm right >_>), but what do YOU think about this? Is there really a skill cap that once you achieve you cannot pass? Or, do you think that, with practice and determination, you could keep progressing and become better, and better, and better?

Sorry if this isn't CT material. Perhaps Chit Chat? Also, making a poll as soon as I figure out how to make one. I have never created one. If you noticed, I used "FFR Member" as a cover up. Perhaps the member will be revealed later.

(This thread was created with the purpose to laugh at him, or him laughing at me for being wrong.)

[Oni-Paranoia]

HOLY SH*T thats a lot, i skimmed some of it, lol overall, ts jus the scoring system (if thats not mentioned above), but then yet if it was more like SM... it wouldnt be FFR right?
EDIT: You can always get better

[EAGAMES]

Originally Posted by Oni-Paranoia

HOLY SH*T thats a lot, i skimmed some of it, lol overall, ts jus the scoring system (if thats not mentioned above), but then yet if it was more like SM... it wouldnt be FFR right?
EDIT: You can always get better

I think we both hold good points (of course I think I'm right >_>), but what do YOU think about this? Is there really a skill cap that once you achieve you cannot pass? Or, do you think that, with practice and determination, you could keep progressing and become better, and better, and better?

Don't tl;dr it. Also, yes it is a lot. Took me forever...

[meno_rocks123]

For some reason I thought of a LP when I was reading this.

[Xx{Midday}xX]

Humans have a limit. It's impossible to keep improving. No human can become good enough to AAA a song that has 100 0-framers in a row per se.

I have a lot of people around me that are physically impaired. They are human too. But they can't FC VC songs. What about them? Do you think you can just casually say, "Oh, practice makes perfect!" in their face? I don't think so. They tell me how annoyed the get when people on this forum says, practice makes everything better.

I'm probably a human no different from you are. However, my left hand is physically impaired. My left cannot jack as fast as my right, due to my bone structures. My physical limitations probably worse than most other people. If someone tells me to jack faster with my left hand, I get seriously pissed, because it's impossible with my infrastructure.

I mean it when I say I think all people who think that "everyone can get better by practicing" are retarded ignorant imbeciles. I mean it. They have no idea what it's like to have a barrier so much lower than everyone else. People without arms cannot grow arms. People who lost fingers cannot have them back. People who have naturally impaired bone structures cannot fix them through "practice". Retarded.

NOTE: I am not saying don't practice. Practice is only a possibility. Not a certainty.

[hi19hi19]

Everybody has a different maximum potential, and nobody has actually acheived their maximum potential. So you can always get better, but you may not be able to go as far as someone else who is just naturally more able

[EAGAMES]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midday}xX

Humans have a limit. It's impossible to keep improving. No human can become good enough to AAA a song that has 100 0-framers in a row per se.

Obviously, though you could always keep on improving 1 miss less at a time. I think it is possible to AAA 100 0-framers per second, but it'd take too much time. A lot more than a lifetime could offer.

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Everybody has a different maximum potential, and nobody has actually acheived their maximum potential. So you can always get better, but you may not be able to go as far as someone else who is just naturally more able

Wouldn't that depend on how much time you set time aside, and if you have any physical problems that could be significant in the long run?

[Phynx]

Copying and pasting from what I told you in MSN EAG.

Originally Posted by Phynx

--->BTW, there is at some point a physical limit that no human is able to pass over. No human alive has reached it yet but there WILL at some point be a limit that no human can go past.

--->Physical actions are limited by physics.

[AOD_ELEMENT]

the scoring is fine, so adjust to it, and no way can everyone achieve what some of us have already done.

[Zageron]

How can you not like club! D:

BTW you whore you have 1 less good on AIM than me D:

[BigBoss37]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Everybody has a different maximum potential, and nobody has actually acheived their maximum potential. So you can always get better, but you may not be able to go as far as someone else who is just naturally more able

Yes this is good stuff.

[Phynx]

It's true EVERYONE has a different maximum limit in skill than anyone else, no one will ever reach that maximum but there is at SOME point in playing this that physics causes a solid limit to what a human in general can do. So yes there IS in fact a physical limit to what humans' can do.

[Xx{Midday}xX]

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

Obviously, though you could always keep on improving 1 miss less at a time. I think it is possible to AAA 100 0-framers per second, but it'd take too much time.

Time does not solve everything. Humans are not perfect. Go back to the 18th century Enlightenment please. That's where you belong. It is physically impossible for the human mechanism to create and dispense energy that quickly in such an efficient manner. ATP does not provide enough energy, nor is there enough cells to generate that energy/motion. You can build muscle, but the more volume it takes up, the less efficient energy use becomes. Therefore, it is impossible.

[EAGAMES]

Originally Posted by AOD_ELEMENT

the scoring is fine, so adjust to it, and no way can everyone achieve what some of us have already done.

There's somethings that not everyone is up to the challenge. 99% of us will probably never become as good as some of those SM gods.

Originally Posted by Zageron

How can you not like club! D:

BTW you whore you have 1 less good on AIM than me D:

Club is gay. AIM is a homo to AAA. I was going to brag to you on MSN when I got that score, but that'd just be mean.

[AOD_ELEMENT]

Originally Posted by Phynx

It's true EVERYONE has a different maximum limit in skill than anyone else, no one will ever reach that maximum but there is at SOME point in playing this that physics causes a solid limit to what a human in general can do. So yes there IS in fact a physical limit to what humans' can do.

but what about that time where u get this crazy ass twitch in your hands and hit a 192nd trill when the max humans can do it like 64?
huh what about that rofl?

theres always a fluke where some miracle or impossible actions occur.

[Phynx]

Originally Posted by AOD_ELEMENT

but what about that time where u get this crazy ass twitch in your hands and hit a 192nd trill when the max humans can do it like 64?
huh what about that rofl?

Same physics concept applies.

[Xx{Midday}xX]

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

There's somethings that not everyone is up to the challenge. 99% of us will probably never become as good as some of those SM gods.

That is not just because we don't try. It is because for most, it is impossible.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Originally Posted by AOD_ELEMENT

but what about that time where u get this crazy ass twitch in your hands and hit a 192nd trill when the max humans can do it like 64?
huh what about that rofl?

theres always a fluke where some miracle or impossible actions occur.

Mathematically wut are the chances lol

[Sinael]

Originally Posted by Oni-Paranoia

Mathematically wut are the chances lol

Well isn't there a saying in physics or something that says "If you try to walk through a wall a million times, eventually you will"?

[AOD_ELEMENT]

not chances, a miracle or completely out of the ordinary twitch lmfao