Amateur Tier Points - Page 3

**DarkbearX** · 07-31-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug31

Huh? What's your idea of a "unique" AAA? To me, it would mean that no one else had ever AAA'd the song, but I seriously doubt you have 2 of those type of AAAs.

By 'two unique' AAAs, he means he has AAAs on two different songs.

Also, I'm for this idea if LD can somehow formulate a way (as he stated already) that if you have over an x amount of ATPs, you'd be switched over to regular tier points.

**Nightfirecat** · 07-31-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jugglinguy

I'm all for having the less skilled players working to get better and better. I think that there should be a whole seperate page for this, but not a top players board because if you're the best in ATP then you should just move onto regular tierpoints. Or have someone manually take out the pros.

Yes-- Almost exactly what I was gonna say...

My idea is that if you are on any tier on the regular tier points, you should not be able to do the amateur tier points.

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Originally Posted by jimerax

ok, a req for you.

#1. Free Space (FFR Edit):
(5)- AAA (91,450)
(4)- 5 or fewer (90,075)
(3)- Single Digit Good (88,975)
(2)- 20 or fewer (85,950)
(1)- 30 or fewer (83,200)

If that's one of the reqs, then I got a sightread 5 atps :P

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Originally Posted by jugglinguy

Ok, so here's my thought, ATP's should be a WHOLE separate list, a little harder than what you guys have listed, but not too much. The reason why it'd be good to have ATP is to give people encouragement(sp?) to go on and keep playing and strive to get better. There should be a thread of it like the actual tier points, that way the newer people would have to post in the thread to get on the list, and it'd keep all of the good people out.

I'd be willing to make a list of points for levels 1-4 IF anyone who has any power to make this happen takes this idea seriously (ld?), if not I won't bother.

Further agrees with my own opinions. WOW JUGGLINGUY, I haven't agreed with you this much for a LONG time.

solopro · 07-31-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkbearX

By 'two unique' AAAs, he means he has AAAs on two different songs.

Also, I'm for this idea if LD can somehow formulate a way (as he stated already) that if you have over an x amount of ATPs, you'd be switched over to regular tier points.

Wow, I think Doug thought I AAA'd two songs with my eyes shut, or while watching TV.

**Doug31** · 08-1-2007, 12:03 AM

No, my idea of a unique AAA would be an AAA that no one else had, like Rottel or BB Evo or something. I figured you didn't have 2 of those, so I really had no idea what you had 2 of.

jellygod · 08-1-2007, 12:17 AM

i fully support this as i suck at regular tier points

Boatz · 08-1-2007, 06:32 AM

WOWZORZ!!!

I mean, this is the first time an idea of mine anywhere has been considered and discussed at such length.

Anyway, are we just talking here, or are we gonna start making a full list of reqs.?

EDIT -- And by the way, all of the other methods of this system are great, having .xx or xxxxxxxx points per requirement.

Ice wolf · 08-1-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reach

Completely against this.

Good players shouldn't have to play all of the easy songs. They're easy, and all the good players can already AAA them, so there's no point in giving out points for them.

The whole point of the tier system is to show how skilled you really are, not how much you play. Including billions of songs to the list only favors those that play the most FFR and not the most skilled.

And as pandaman already mentioned...you do get tier points for playing easier songs from total # of AAA's.

I support Reach.

**lightdarkness** · 08-1-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice wolf

I support Reach.

I think you're missing the point of the fact that good players wouldn't be included on this list.

jugglinguy · 08-1-2007, 01:30 PM

Ok it seems like LD will be making ATPs so all I want to know is the max amount of ATP's to give out for an AAA of a difficulty 5, and the whole set of ATPS for free space, if I know those two then I can get all the difficulties in between.

GamerShadow · 08-1-2007, 02:29 PM

Would this be for newbies? If 5 points is a Free Space AAA, then by the time you graduate, you still won't even be close to TP's at all. There would be a huge gap that the player would have to cross in order to get to TP's.

I say, make the songs 5-8 in diff, and use those as ATP's. Hence, AMATEUR. Not n00b.

I like it · 08-1-2007, 02:34 PM

I Made a modifacation sorta

how about have two tier points list one for pros and one for newbs
so once you get passed teir 1 on the easy one (which would be tier 4 in the pro one) so kind of like more tiers with more songs for the newbs

ChaosMaster1 · 08-1-2007, 03:17 PM

Im the ultamite n00b so I support this. =)

jugglinguy · 08-1-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GamerShadow

Would this be for newbies? If 5 points is a Free Space AAA, then by the time you graduate, you still won't even be close to TP's at all. There would be a huge gap that the player would have to cross in order to get to TP's.

I agree with you (in parts). If it was 4 or 5 tier points for an AAA on freespace, level 6s SDG would be like 10! So maybe something like:

#1 Free Space (FFR Edit):
(2) AAA
(1) 5 or fewer.

Because if the ATP requirements were easier, the people who would get 1s and 2s would be people who've never even bothered looking at the forums.

Ravia · 08-1-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reach

Completely against this.

Good players shouldn't have to play all of the easy songs. They're easy, and all the good players can already AAA them, so there's no point in giving out points for them.

The whole point of the tier system is to show how skilled you really are, not how much you play. Including billions of songs to the list only favors those that play the most FFR and not the most skilled.

And as pandaman already mentioned...you do get tier points for playing easier songs from total # of AAA's.

I'm against it, too, but don't forget the average ranks kinda make good players whore easy songs for AAAs. Hell, I got 0-0-1-1 on Soul Shift 'cause I was dumb and celebrated a jump too early.

Too lazy to do it again.

**Shashakiro** · 08-1-2007, 04:21 PM

Not a bad idea really, with what LD brought up.

Yeah, any skill-based ranking system that makes good players go back and AAA easy stuff is dumb, they shouldn't have to if they don't want to...works if you make it like two completely seperate lists where it's impossible to be on both...

Problem: what prevents the normal TP players from making alt accounts and clogging up the ATP list with barely-lower-than-cutoff values?

jugglinguy · 08-1-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shashakiro

Problem: what prevents the normal TP players from making alt accounts and clogging up the ATP list with barely-lower-than-cutoff values?

Lots and lots of synthlight files

GamerShadow · 08-1-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shashakiro

Not a bad idea really, with what LD brought up.

Yeah, any skill-based ranking system that makes good players go back and AAA easy stuff is dumb, they shouldn't have to if they don't want to...works if you make it like two completely seperate lists where it's impossible to be on both...

Problem: what prevents the normal TP players from making alt accounts and clogging up the ATP list with barely-lower-than-cutoff values?

Inactivity. If you wanted to stay on the list, you would have to get at least 1 tier point every month or so, that way, they're forced to make progress until they get out of the lists. We could also have an admin IP check them if we're suspicious.

**Adamaja456** · 08-1-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GamerShadow

Inactivity. If you wanted to stay on the list, you would have to get at least 1 tier point every month or so, that way, they're forced to make progress until they get out of the lists. We could also have an admin IP check them if we're suspicious.

If noobs were forced to earn a certain amount of ATPs, then why dont they just practice harder and get TPs instead of ATPs?

jugglinguy · 08-1-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamaja456

If noobs were forced to earn a certain amount of ATPs, then why dont they just practice harder and get TPs instead of ATPs?

ATPs give them motivation.

ledwix · 08-1-2007, 05:41 PM

I have a mole of amateur tier points lol.

Anyway, I discourage this. Tier Points are for upper-tier players. Amateur Tier Points are too broad; there are thousands of players to be included, and yet so many of them don't even care. Thus, the ATP system would be too inaccurate, IMO. I'm sure several of my friends who are inactive on this game could be pretty high up in this system but don't really play anymore and wouldn't be included.

08-1-2007, 12:03 AM	#44
Doug31 Falcon Paaaauuuunch!!!!!! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 36 Posts: 6,811	Re: Amateur Tier Points No, my idea of a unique AAA would be an AAA that no one else had, like Rottel or BB Evo or something. I figured you didn't have 2 of those, so I really had no idea what you had 2 of. __________________

08-1-2007, 12:17 AM	#45
jellygod FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 34 Posts: 1,703	Re: Amateur Tier Points i fully support this as i suck at regular tier points __________________ RETIRED ___________________________ Best AAAs- Monstrous Turtles, Get down Styles- index,spread Tier Points: 148 Rank 8 in regional ranking(Great Lakes) "Never argue with stupid people, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

08-1-2007, 06:32 AM	#46
Boatz FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 179	Re: Amateur Tier Points WOWZORZ!!! I mean, this is the first time an idea of mine anywhere has been considered and discussed at such length. Anyway, are we just talking here, or are we gonna start making a full list of reqs.? EDIT -- And by the way, all of the other methods of this system are great, having .xx or xxxxxxxx points per requirement. __________________ You really shouldn't click here. or here. But you should click here. And you should use this: Tokens: 18 Skill Tokens: 10 Last edited by Boatz; 08-1-2007 at 06:45 AM..

08-1-2007, 02:29 PM	#50
GamerShadow FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In my Dungeon Age: 32 Posts: 2,534	Re: Amateur Tier Points Would this be for newbies? If 5 points is a Free Space AAA, then by the time you graduate, you still won't even be close to TP's at all. There would be a huge gap that the player would have to cross in order to get to TP's. I say, make the songs 5-8 in diff, and use those as ATP's. Hence, AMATEUR. Not n00b. __________________ Note to self Finish.

08-1-2007, 02:34 PM	#51
I like it Housekeeper Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,119	Re: Amateur Tier Points I Made a modifacation sorta how about have two tier points list one for pros and one for newbs so once you get passed teir 1 on the easy one (which would be tier 4 in the pro one) so kind of like more tiers with more songs for the newbs

08-1-2007, 03:17 PM	#52
ChaosMaster1 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere I Belong.... Age: 31 Posts: 429	Re: Amateur Tier Points Im the ultamite n00b so I support this. =) __________________ 15 AAAs!

08-1-2007, 05:41 PM	#60
ledwix Giant Pi Operator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: California Age: 33 Posts: 2,878	Re: Amateur Tier Points I have a mole of amateur tier points lol. Anyway, I discourage this. Tier Points are for upper-tier players. Amateur Tier Points are too broad; there are thousands of players to be included, and yet so many of them don't even care. Thus, the ATP system would be too inaccurate, IMO. I'm sure several of my friends who are inactive on this game could be pretty high up in this system but don't really play anymore and wouldn't be included.

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