TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread - Page 11

**Hakulyte** · 10-1-2016, 10:21 PM

Well, I certainly am consistent at not reading properly.

**Hakulyte** · 10-1-2016, 10:22 PM

It's okay, you did it guys, I'm stuck giving him a scum-lean too.

**AragakiAyase** · 10-1-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by R.E. Aryxi

See below post

I don't think his push was that unwarranted, your response to my post directed at haku threw me off a bit

the reason I'm townreading shado is because as wolf in survivors that was cancelled, he came off as unfocused and almost flippant. Here are a few posts that stood out in particular

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Nah, nothing super pressing. Lot of single letter shitposts because reasons. I'll unvote you now, lurking =/= reading all of thread from beginning.

Tokzic. I'm liking this where it is for now.

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Lol it's nothing big, I just think I've gotten a lot better at understanding your plays. The "secret weapon" is an unconfirmed wolftell that I noticed in both your recent wolf turbos, but that you're really not doing here yet. I'm keeping an eye out, but I have tokzic+inactives+ghosts as a lot wolfier than you right now.

ok now that I've quoted these perhaps his posts weren't overall as different as I thought they were

but there's definitely a different feel between this game and that game. also this game and the past turbo, for what progress it made. he feels like he's looking for scum and like he's not just jumping around randomly

**AragakiAyase** · 10-1-2016, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

What

Hang on lemme find his post I wanna show you how weak that defense is

it wasn't even a defense though, it was in response to haku saying "shadow you're scary"

**MixMasterLar** · 10-1-2016, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

And yet it's only my fourth TWG on FFR, ans 6th online game ever. It might aa well be my second, because two of those were cancelled and one I was modkilled N1. Maybe I should cry about my inexperience and ask people not to call me wolf.

"And yet it's only my fourth TWG on FFR, ans 6th online game ever"

That would mean the loads of experience he had in "other sites and IRL" that he said he had in BOATS was at most 2 games deep on the forum side of the scale, at most.

And if you ever read the logs from that game, you'll know he's either a prodigy or full of shit. Man was super comfortable running around in Discord, basically leading town for the majority of the game.

In addition to, you know, claiming he had enough experience to not be considered a newb and knowledge of general strats

Yeah

R.E. Aryxi · 10-1-2016, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I don't think his push was that unwarranted, your response to my post directed at haku threw me off a bit

the reason I'm townreading shado is because as wolf in survivors that was cancelled, he came off as unfocused and almost flippant. Here are a few posts that stood out in particular

ok now that I've quoted these perhaps his posts weren't overall as different as I thought they were

but there's definitely a different feel between this game and that game. also this game and the past turbo, for what progress it made. he feels like he's looking for scum and like he's not just jumping around randomly

Ah okay I see what you mean.

**Hakulyte** · 10-1-2016, 10:32 PM

So, what's "wolfy" here and what's "bad" ?

For me his play is just explaining his behavior, it's not justifying a vote.

It's kind of like Charu picking a fight, but in a very different way.

**AragakiAyase** · 10-1-2016, 10:42 PM

I wish james may and dfr would actually show up

**Hakulyte** · 10-1-2016, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe this game

So let me get this straight:

A) no reasons of your own
B) they were wrong and you were town

Somehow leads to
C) You think I'm a wolf.

See why that's a terrible read now?

Also, I don't think you can really compare the two post styles at all, but nice try. If you're town, I'd suggest going back to your old ways, now you've lost the "natural" posting that people applauded you for last game, but your reads are still terrible.
Also, think a bit harder about why Precarious is clear. I can't exactly use the same playstrat two games in a row now, can I?

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe in Survivor as Wolf

I'm actually confident in us winning by doing what TWG is all about: reading wolves. I joined a game of survivor, I'd much rather try to survive while hunting wolves than rely on a strat that essentially puts my loss up to chance. Plus, if I wanted to do nothing other than implement an imba strat, I'd just go play a game on epicmafia. Reading skill is also a tool that we have in our disposal, so let's try using it, yes?
Also, you're referring to an imaginary "attitude" that I supposedly have as "wanting to live instead of find the wolves". I've said this before, but we literally cannot win without finding the wolves. That doesn't even need to be stated. There's a big difference between "refusing to commit suicide for a town that doesn't exist" and "refusing to hunt wolves".

TL;DNR: You're getting me totally wrong. My "attitude" is that I want to both liveand find the wolves.

Not gonna lie, I feel similar vibes.

**MixMasterLar** · 10-1-2016, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

it wasn't even a defense though, it was in response to haku saying "shadow you're scary"

I meant Haku's

**AragakiAyase** · 10-1-2016, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I meant Haku's

I'm confused, you thought haku's defense of what was weak?

**Hakulyte** · 10-1-2016, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Ok gotta go now. The only person I wouldn't want to lynch tonight is Precarious.

These aren't reads, but just based on my feelings and perception of tone and intention provided so far, I don't like Haku, juckter, and R.E., in that order but maybe with juckter and Haku tied.

DFR needs to post more. He tends to post a good amount as town, and he's been conspicuously absent since his initial two posts.

I don't think I'll have a read on AA either way this phase, considering that I completely misread him last game. I'd rather wait for more info before trying to read him.

I don't know James May, so I can't come to a conclusion there either.

Does that look fabricated?

**AragakiAyase** · 10-1-2016, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Does that look fabricated?

no

**MixMasterLar** · 10-1-2016, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I'm confused, you thought haku's defense of what was weak?

Seemed like he was defending Shado.
He's since admitted that he didn't read all of what Shado said.

R.E. Aryxi · 10-1-2016, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Does that look fabricated?

neigh

**Precarious** · 10-1-2016, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

So, what's "wolfy" here and what's "bad" ?

For me his play is just explaining his behavior, it's not justifying a vote.

It's kind of like Charu picking a fight, but in a very different way.

Wolfy and bad actually are (or at least should be) distinct, but in the absence of wolfy, bad gets used as a substitute. Bad can be either play that is anti-town in its effect, or mistakes/questionable logic in general. It's not necessarily true that these are indicators of a wolf, since a wolf will try to appear town, but because a wolf has extra information (if they know who they are, they know everyone else is town) and isn't actually trying to solve the game, bad and wolf intersect a fair amount of the time.

The most problematic thing about Shadow is that dishonesty is more wolfish than bad. Town is only ever motivated toward dishonesty as some sort of gambit, and that backfires as often as not. Wolves are dishonest structurally, so they'll lie elsewhere if they can benefit. Getting caught in a lie (for example, a fakeclaim) is usually a sign of a wolf, since town shouldn't be fakeclaiming (the seer stuff here not withstanding obviously). The quoted post above is problematic precisely because it speaks to experience--and comfort level with that experience. Mentioning epicmafia (and its community overmeta) so casually speaks to a level of familiarity that belies inexperience excuses.

TL;DR: Mistakes are bad, deception is wolfish. Bad can be wolfish, but deception is wolfish with a high degree of correlation.

**AragakiAyase** · 10-1-2016, 11:07 PM

arxyi who's your top lynch candidate atm

R.E. Aryxi · 10-1-2016, 11:10 PM

Well now with Haku's post, I can see why Shado's reply was valid because it's similar behavior. But regardless he was still dishonest about experience. I was owning up to my mistakes. Deception is wolfish, Shado is my top lynch

**AragakiAyase** · 10-1-2016, 11:11 PM

this is giving me deja vu of that one game where haku lied about his experience, and he was town

**Hakulyte** · 10-1-2016, 11:15 PM

this is giving me deja vu of that one game where Shado was Seer and I wanted to lynch him.

10-1-2016, 10:21 PM	#201
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,519	Re: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread Well, I certainly am consistent at not reading properly.

10-1-2016, 10:22 PM	#202
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,519	Re: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread It's okay, you did it guys, I'm stuck giving him a scum-lean too.

10-1-2016, 10:32 PM	#207
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,519	Re: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread So, what's "wolfy" here and what's "bad" ? For me his play is just explaining his behavior, it's not justifying a vote. It's kind of like Charu picking a fight, but in a very different way.

10-1-2016, 10:42 PM	#208
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 27 Posts: 961	Re: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread I wish james may and dfr would actually show up __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

10-1-2016, 11:07 PM	#217
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 27 Posts: 961	Re: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread arxyi who's your top lynch candidate atm __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

10-1-2016, 11:11 PM	#219
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 27 Posts: 961	Re: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread this is giving me deja vu of that one game where haku lied about his experience, and he was town __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

10-1-2016, 11:15 PM	#220
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,519	Re: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread this is giving me deja vu of that one game where Shado was Seer and I wanted to lynch him.

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