Old 03-16-2020, 10:34 AM   #2781
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phil, i understand what you're saying. but i think you're trying to analyze this based on the assumption that the wolves have the same understanding of the mechanics and rules and priorities and what have you that you do. chances are they misunderstood something or didn't think it through and so their actions only make sense according to a schema that's different from our own
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:34 AM   #2782
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I really doubt they put the kill on boomer last night.
how come? because they wanted the shot to go through?
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:36 AM   #2783
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Sorry, not trying to convince you that what I say has to be exactly right here.

I just had a hard time figuring out how you approached this.
As of recent
I've honestly just been floored by the lack of mechanical understanding that FFR has had

I've gotten questions from people that knew how things worked years ago, and its just like

last semester, someone asked the professor when the final was
harmless, right?

the professor had said at the beginning of class "The final is here, at this time, on this date, don't ask me again, its on the syllabus"

that's kind of how I've felt when people are talking about the vigishot being negated if Boomer dies

its like...

I know some of you guys have played for YEARS and the vigi has NEVER done that; its literally never had that mechanical resolution

I approach things like wolves are not idiots, I think it was you who said that earlier

right now, I'm annoyed, because it seems like I might not be able to follow that approach, and the biggest reason why I'm annoyed is because people who should know better, don't (this is more from the most recent games rather than this one, but its dripping into this one)
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:37 AM   #2784
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In the world where Julian is a wolf and Boomer got roleblocked; he's exactly the Wolf Roleblocker.

That's pretty bait.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:37 AM   #2785
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phil, i understand what you're saying. but i think you're trying to analyze this based on the assumption that the wolves have the same understanding of the mechanics and rules and priorities and what have you that you do. chances are they misunderstood something or didn't think it through and so their actions only make sense according to a schema that's different from our own
wolves ask questions to the mod significantly more often than villagers
its a fact

what you're saying is not impossible, I just tend not to assume stuff like that happened
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:38 AM   #2786
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everyone is over-complicating the night actions
the julian push makes little sense to me considering the zucker wagon
also the traction on him seems too easy from an outsiders perspective


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Sorry I missed EOD guys, completely forgot it was the end of the phase. Julian is still my go-to for now. That or apollo. I want one of them dead today.

I'm surprised molly was blocker. That "soft" I guess that chief quoted is soo soo soft, I definitely didn't pick up on it. So, if the wolves did, they'd have to be a clever player.
the julian vote seems rushed to me and the definitive statement rubs me the wrong way

half this post is fluff

this whole post doesnt sit well with me

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I'm wondering if wolves would bank on finding Molly's blocked target to no kill and pray that people follow reads for a mislynch.
this scenario never happens

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Apparently I'm not allowed to say who the dead players are so, it's really killing my mood to talk about my reads this game since most of them are based on meta.
how do you know who they where? i wouldn't trust your gut 100% of the time here if its just based off of posting style

although i think i know who someone is and that is absolutely getting in the way of reading them neutral

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you guys eriously don't understand

wolves shoud always block boomer, even if he is going to shoot a town
if you just let the vigi shoot over and over, there's less people for the wolves to mislynch during the day

maybe there was a stack on molly, but it just seems really stupid to me
if they know hes the vigi and know that a blocker exist, then it makes sense to try and kill the blocker first assuming they have a lead

it at least makes enough sense that i can see a wolfteam doing it

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if you're having trouble explaining this to the crowd then that kinda goes to show the wolves's thought process is more in line with the crowd's than yours
this is gross logic

the wolves are a part of the crowd too

i think phil is probably wrong that it couldnt happen but not for that reason

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Boomer 100 times out of 100
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I think you're trying a little too hard to support that Molly 100% blocked exactly Julian and that he needs to die this phase 100% of the time.
considering this how do you feel about maples post?
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:42 AM   #2787
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allow me to clarify about vigi vs blocker nk

if the public knows who the vigi is and wolfteam has a lead on the blocker then they probably go blocker everytime

ffr seems to not allow blockers to block themselves and vigi could be covered

the fact vigi shot the blocker is pretty funny and opens up worlds but im not willing to take most of them to the bank
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:42 AM   #2788
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in my mind blockers protect and not just block

everything i said is incorrect
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:42 AM   #2789
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how come? because they wanted the shot to go through?
I very much do think early game wolves are going to want the vigi to help thin out town. I know Phil says I'm wrong but if I were in the position that's what I'd do. If we move away from that another reason would be after all the talk last phase I think they'd assume the medic would be on boomer making it a waste to place the nk there.

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In the world where Julian is a wolf and Boomer got roleblocked; he's exactly the Wolf Roleblocker.

That's pretty bait.
This is where my mind had gone earlier while looking through Molly.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:43 AM   #2790
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im clearly thinking of jailer right now

phil might be more correct then i though
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:45 AM   #2791
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I'm like picturing Phil losing his mind and when he gets in deadchat; he realizes that the entire wolf team were the players asking him for help with mechanics.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:46 AM   #2792
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i double checked op and we do have a doctor

so i feel that my logic stands even though im dumb with role names

however phil is right that they probably do not continue that for the long term if they keep missing the doctor

boomer needs to push out as many thoughts as possible this phase
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:47 AM   #2793
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im clearly thinking of jailer right now

phil might be more correct then i though
If phil is correct then we're likely looking at our blocker managing to block their blocker. I very much doubt they'd have put the nk on Molly. And looking at Molly it seems like Julian would be a likely block for her.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:48 AM   #2794
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i double checked op and we do have a doctor

so i feel that my logic stands even though im dumb with role names

however phil is right that they probably do not continue that for the long term if they keep missing the doctor

boomer needs to push out as many thoughts as possible this phase
Not continuing long term of course, but I still think for early game it's likely for wolves to let vigi thin the herd.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:48 AM   #2795
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I'm like picturing Phil losing his mind and when he gets in deadchat; he realizes that the entire wolf team were the players asking him for help with mechanics.
its wouldn't be the first time
it wouldn't even be the first anon game
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:50 AM   #2796
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about to get ready for lunch and then hiking

for the people who are on julian i ask - what is your second pick if he flips town?

what is your second pick if he flips wolf?

if julian somehow gets host cleared then who do you vote for

also a question for phil

would knowledge of wolves double stacking with vigi change your vote order and how so?
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:51 AM   #2797
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this is gross logic

the wolves are a part of the crowd too

i think phil is probably wrong that it couldnt happen but not for that reason
i know they are. that's what i'm trying to say. phil says a misunderstanding of mechanics is an issue with FFR players, so that applies equally to wolves and townies
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:52 AM   #2798
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I recognize that the blocker is a threat to wolves
the vigi is more dangerous

yes, the blocker can out a wolf if they connect on the hail mary

anything that can give town more kills is more threatening than that

its not even wifom when I say I'd target boomer, its like
I know it to be correct

I might be talking too much about this now, though
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:52 AM   #2799
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wow, the difference between chrissy's play and cole's play is like night and day
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Not continuing long term of course, but I still think for early game it's likely for wolves to let vigi thin the herd.
i think the chances are that you are more correct here

i have done this as wolf myself if i figured i was well hidden

it is unfortunate that vigi claimed molly here and opened up the possibility of a double stack

if two kills had happened last night i would be inclined to believe we have deep wolves and most current scumreads where wrong

molly seems like it was a good choice considering doctor exist and it looks like they softed
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