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Old 06-17-2014, 01:15 PM   #1
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ices-agreement

http://www.microsoft.com/privacystat...s/default.aspx

was gonna do a big post about why you should read these but I'll just sum it up like this:
if you don't know why I'm posting this, then lol

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apparently I do need to elaborate on why people should take the time to read this.
a terms update generally means that there's a change in how your personal information is going to be used. this can be both positive and negative, but taking into consideration the whole microsoft-nsa relationship (zero-day exploits, anyone?), it's safe to assume that this is going to be a negative change.
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:24 PM   #2
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Damn, I barely check my emails once per year. /rip
Time to transfer to gmail.
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google is significantly worse than microsoft when it comes to privacy

apparently I do need to elaborate on why people should take the time to read this.
a terms update generally means that there's a change in how your personal information is going to be used. this can be both positive and negative, but taking into consideration the whole microsoft-nsa relationship (zero-day exploits, anyone?), it's safe to assume that this is going to be a negative change.
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:48 PM   #6
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was gonna do a big post about why you should read these but I'll just sum it up like this:
if you don't know why I'm posting this, then lol
I do computer things but I dont read news if you're not gonna give me a tl;dr then I'm not gonna participate in this thread or care about anything ever sorry takin a hardline stance here
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Old 06-17-2014, 02:43 PM   #7
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hotmail sux
gmail sux
just don't use email if you want maxiprivacy
hell don't even use the post who knows what they do inbetween????
fuck this I'm gonna just hand deliver all my mail tehn no one will EVER read it
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Old 06-17-2014, 02:57 PM   #8
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:00 PM   #9
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:03 PM   #10
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So is it more than "We read your emails so we can give you relevant ads" or are did they accidently spill out a skynet plot?
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a terms update generally means that there's a change in how your personal information is going to be used. this can be both positive and negative, but taking into consideration the whole microsoft-nsa relationship (zero-day exploits, anyone?), it's safe to assume that this is going to be a negative change.
personally I find it hard to care. I know these companies and the NSA or whoever the hell has access to way too much stuff will have data about me and whoever else. I've kind of accepted that I've sold my soul by using these products. if I wanted no one to have any of my personal information badly enough that I would take serious steps to achieve that, then I would go hermit mode.

what can people do about this stuff? picket outside microsoft HQ? pretty sure I would protest several other things/organizations first.
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Old 06-17-2014, 06:11 PM   #13
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The first thing people can do is, well, care enough about their privacy. A common argument is "I have nothing to hide," but that doesn't really make sense. Privacy isn't about having things to hide.

I know there are people on FFR who frequently use Microsoft products, whether that's in the form of an OS, free email service, etc. I also know that there are people on FFR who care about their privacy enough to slowly (or quickly) make moves to more anonymous services. As an example, I'm moving away from GMail and Hotmail to an anonymous email service.

Not to mention third parties and the concept of findability.
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it's not that I don't care because I don't think I have anything to hide, it's that I don't think I could do anything which would cause change on a broad scale.

windows operating systems are the default on like every non-mobile machine without an apple logo on it. that doesn't change unless ???? I can't even think of anything unless microsoft keeps putting out iterations which don't click with average users and some other behemoth company is smart enough to see an opportunity to get into the market. and because they're a behemoth company they probably have the same privacy-violating terms and conditions and blah blah.

I can switch to other things but what effect does that have on anything aside from the NSA's ability to snoop useless info about me?
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I need a tl;dr ;~;

someone wrap it up for people who aren't able to read lawyer, because as far as I'm concerned, as long as I don't live in the USA, and I use AdBlock plus, Noscript, & mywot on a firefox browser, I have nothing to worry about in terms of data collection. Does this mean they will be able to collect data remotely? Can they collect data simply from signing the terms of service, without the option to disallow them monitoring of services (which I see after a lot of their terms of service)?
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Is safe-mail.net a viable alternative?
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I use @ucalgary.ca ... Because school is safe... amiright?
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yes, I don't know much about anonymous email and it's the first thing that came to mind when you said "anonymous email service."
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an email service where you can still access your email if you lose your encryption key is not entirely anonymous lol
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