TWG Turbo XXV: Enemy Zero - Postgame

[the sun fan]

I get the idea there lar but like... its not usually a trick
you're just going to win 99% of the time by putting his name in the voting tags because I can't react to it
you made tons of posts there and I mean yeah there's always the risk of me trying to trap but after like... 10 minutes of me not unvoting I think its pretty reasonable to assume I'm not moving

[the sun fan]

the thing I think I can take from this game and be happy about (other than the roundbox meme being a thing) is that if Xiz and I don't do what we did, I think town wins.

We both have lynch orders of cel/lar/dbp in different order and I think we were mostly coming together before then.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I get the idea there lar but like... its not usually a trick
you're just going to win 99% of the time by putting his name in the voting tags because I can't react to it
you made tons of posts there and I mean yeah there's always the risk of me trying to trap but after like... 10 minutes of me not unvoting I think its pretty reasonable to assume I'm not moving

Shrugs
Hindsight's 20/20. I was getting paranoid and didn't want to risk it.
I had no idea you guys where going to take it as this giant middle finger anyway. I'm not trying to be dense here but if the safest way to win is to take it to the end of a phase that we already knew we where playing to then IDK what to tell you.

I get that if I did this just to throw it back in your face post game that it would be a dick move but that's not what happened.

[blindreper1179]

Props lar, first time you honestly fooled me.

[inDheart]

honestly i would just preview post then send right away if i don't see anything in the preview

snap that vote right off

[j-rodd123]

votes being locked in at must lynch would prevent something like that, just sayin

[j-rodd123]

assuming i know what happened, i didnt read the game at all but from post game i take it that lar couldve instad someone to win the game but didnt

[MixMasterLar]

SO UH

Yeah I kept thinking that after Cel was caught he unvoted and that didn't happened


I thought to try again me and Cel would have to sync votes once more and I knew SunFan wasn't going to let 2 of us do it

So all criticism at me being bad that last phase is actually legit I had no idea all I had to do was just vote you guys couldn't respond

I would have done that 100% vs waiting on Bind and DBP showing up and possibly undoing all my hard work

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by inDheart

honestly i would just preview post then send right away if i don't see anything in the preview

snap that vote right off

you can even construct a post along the lines of "hey here's why I think blind is scummy

reason a
reason b
reason c
[vote for blindreper]"

so that even if someone sneaks in an unvote before you post that insta-triggering vote, it doesn't look like you were trying to end the game but

that seems pretty unnecessary

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

assuming i know what happened, i didnt read the game at all but from post game i take it that lar couldve instad someone to win the game but didnt

yeah that's what happened

I mentioned it during the game, I think it might make sense in turbos, but in games like mystery games where the number of wolves might not be known to the town, it wouldn't make sense

[inDheart]

game thoughts:
hoo wee it felt like town was eating each other alive for quite a while. both the fg and ffa lynches felt like someone died for wanting to poke another player and just not being solvy more than they were actually wolfy, which was probably also true of the actual wolves for a while, at least. early d2 there were glimmers of a strong town core in there with sunfan and xiz starting to hard align and wagons on both wolves forming, but the wolves proved slippery and wriggled out of those wagons.

there was a lot of good data in votecounts this game, and hopefully i posted enough of those to be useful to people who wanted them. the wolves were the last to vote d1, and voted together on the d1 and d2 mislynch wagons. dbp's gut feels about the fg lynch and what mml would be trying to push as a wolf while being wagoned d2 were pretty right.

most of d3's been talked over already; wolves had plans to bus if they needed to, but that didn't end up bearing out. i think voting alone on blind instead of getting the rush should've caught cel but they at least handled it pretty well in thread, and cel's open signaling to mml is maybe one of the funnier things i've seen in a game in a while

also i think mml's more emotive play might have been a reaction to people saying he wasn't doing that, tbh

i got leery of people adding quotes from the game to their signatures during the game, but i guess it's neither clearing nor necessary to fake?

roundbox and ffa had pretty good d1s from town
cel was pretty good about emulating his town game, perhaps even moreso than actually Doing Things, which is usually why he was getting voted
the fg/sunfan interaction kinda hurt me bc it seemed like you couldn't read each other like books for the first time, and it got you both into bad places on each other
i think if town gets to flipping cel then blind looks a lot better

[inDheart]

also i think i wanna give mvp to cel

[the sun fan]

yeah you're probably right about that Lar reaction

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by inDheart

the fg/sunfan interaction kinda hurt me bc it seemed like you couldn't read each other like books for the first time, and it got you both into bad places on each other

sry sunfan i'll be more bookish in future games lol

also just wanna give mml the heads up UR MY SIG MEANIE :P

[flashflash account]

idk if you mean day 1 or day 0 but cel definitely got much better later

[flashflash account]

enough that I dropped him to attack sunfan at least

[MixMasterLar]

I mean, I didn't want to seriously hurt anyone
but yeah if you look at the point of the game where I was chilled I had people calling me wolf because I was chilled.

This is more telling of my weakness as a town player; as town, I don't know any good way to gleam info from someone and have to result to fighting them hard enough to force them to fire from the hip so I can get some raw emotion. There's probably a much better way to play then that though

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

also just wanna give mml the heads up UR MY SIG MEANIE :P

Fair 'nuff. Out of cariousity how do you say it?

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

idk if you mean day 1 or day 0 but cel definitely got much better later

i didn't have a d0 because i called the first day d1 but yeah

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I mean, I didn't want to seriously hurt anyone
but yeah if you look at the point of the game where I was chilled I had people calling me wolf because I was chilled.

This is more telling of my weakness as a town player; as town, I don't know any good way to gleam info from someone and have to result to fighting them hard enough to force them to fire from the hip so I can get some raw emotion. There's probably a much better way to play then that though

Fair 'nuff. Out of cariousity how do you say it?

i feel this tbh, it's so easy to engage without purpose and looking back i think it's resulted in some bad decisions etc.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Fair 'nuff. Out of cariousity how do you say it?

like ee-mon