League of Legends

[All_That_Chaz]

I don't really like Ashe. Sure she's pretty good chasing down kills in early/midgame but in lategame she can't do much other than initiate with her ult. In a team fight she doesn't have good burst and her slow doesn't matter when all 10 players are in a cluster****. That and she has no health at all so she falls immediately with a little focus.

And most Ashe players are fairly bad because people learn how to play with her.

[_Zenith_]

@Chaz, Ashe is one of the weirdest jungle builds but it works, Boots of Swift and her slow arrows with some damage is GG. Also if her team initiates, people don't notice the Ashe in the back pinging off kills left and right with Infinity Edge. Shes a force to be reckoned with but most people just missuse her. "Oh like this cross map ult, lets try doming some people from top lane to bottom"

[-paexaea-]

Ashe is a garbage ass carry.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by -paexaea-

Ashe is a garbage ass carry.

Remember when Ashe was a first-pick bot lane AD carry?
Remember when people used to play Ashe mid?
Remember when LoL didn't have 2607 different champs?

lol metagame

[phe0nixblade]

lee sin top isnt nearly as good as lee sin jungle
his ganks are amazing and will either get a kill or make them pop summoner spells every time
he can also gank as early as level 2 which is most of the time a first blood

[All_That_Chaz]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

@Chaz, Ashe is one of the weirdest jungle builds but it works, Boots of Swift and her slow arrows with some damage is GG. Also if her team initiates, people don't notice the Ashe in the back pinging off kills left and right with Infinity Edge. Shes a force to be reckoned with but most people just missuse her. "Oh like this cross map ult, lets try doming some people from top lane to bottom"

"Don't notice?" Any team that knows what it's doing will immediately focus and wreck Ashe no matter where she's standing in the teamfight.

Sure it's nice when teams are stupid and don't focus the AD carry. That's how I went like 20/4 with Sivir in a different game I posted. But you can't count on stupidity.

[albaneenesk8r]

LoL is lol

[Anaru]

Originally Posted by Xx DarkLink xX

What are your thoughts on lee sin top, ive been dominating with him.

Lee Sin should be jungling, end of question (no need for blue)

Ashe is garbage like everyone said

Riven top is okay too but I prefer someone like Wukong/GP

[-paexaea-]

gee who hasnt made that joke before

[warriormag17]

Lee Sin top is easily countered by a good kennen. But then again that's every conventional AD bruiser.

Ashe is a meh AD carry. Dat arrow, but other carries (i.e. Corki, Sivir, Graves) are so much better in terms of raw damage output and survivability.

Riven, even after the "nerf", is still one of the strongest solo top picks IMO. Being able to build straight damage and still be tanky (reminds you bit of Trynd, doesn't it) is a strong point for her.

[Anaru]

wait wait corki, sivir, graves?

i agree with sivir (damages) and corki (armor shred, true damage)

but graves???

caitlyn would like to say hi to graves and maybe sivir
everytime i see a graves bot i laugh and go down with caitlyn
everytime he comes in to last hit i just walk into range and poke him

graves no farm graves no damages

[warriormag17]

A good graves will respond to caitlyn poke with a good WEQ combo, doing far more damage than your AA's.

[phe0nixblade]

a good graves isnt just gonna lose because you harass him
thats why hes got a sona or alistar

[All_That_Chaz]

I love laning against Cait with my Sivir. Spell Shield eats traps .

Graves is fun too. He always dashes in for the Q. So when he dashes, I know to put up the shield and absorb it.

[shonen7]

This...just this...

[Anaru]

so many cait haters here

DOUBLELIFT AND CHAOX SAYS OTHERWISE


.. maybe because they're boss at positioning and last hitting ._.
but seriously cait is so good, because you have to make graves'/other ad carry's support do that much more work because graves can't afford to dash in / q every single time you AA him from superior range (650>525). that is a BIG range difference

and if you play cait+soraka you'll notice the difference lol :3

[All_That_Chaz]

Oh I don't hate cait. She's great at harass. She's just easily countered by a Sivir who knows what she's doing. Don't let her kite you. Dodge the AAs. Eat the traps with Spell Shield. Let her overextend and gank her ass.

[stargroup100]

I hate cait not because she's a bad champion. I hate her because she's annoying and impossible to reach in a teamfight

also you're all dumb ashe is fine right now. arrow is still crazy strong, champ is still balanced

[Reach]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Remember when Ashe was a first-pick bot lane AD carry?
Remember when people used to play Ashe mid?
Remember when LoL didn't have 2607 different champs?

lol metagame

Uh yeah it was only a few months ago Ashe was considered #1 in the game, no?

And IIRC she wasn't even nerfed from that point. If she was it was the timer on her ult or something.

So uh yeah, Ashe is still good. Not mid, but certainly bottom. Her ultimate is crazy strong.

I have a feeling that most of the people that are saying she's bad are...well, bad with her, and like bandwagons. Champions don't magically get worse without nerfs. They become less trendy. That doesn't make them bad.

I crush people with Ashe all the time. Maybe Graves/Kog/Trist are stronger, but honestly it depends on the lane more than anything. Her ultimate can still win team fights.

[Anaru]

here's the thing

ashe is good, but most people say she's bad because.. her ulti takes a considerable amount of SKILL and luck as well.

take for example cait's ult, graves' ult, corki's ult, kog's ult, sivir's ult..

cait's is autolock, can't flash out of it, gg
graves' does collateral damage (teamfight woot)
kog's ult is low cd and can be spammed, crazy range, also grants vision
sivir's ult is just lol steroids

ashe's ult is a 1 time, hard CC (+soft CC for those near her) but you gotta LAND it.
and usually you gotta land it from FAR away or VERY close.

people miss ashe's ult many many times (i'd say like a 70% success rate, depends on how good you are) but that missed ult could make a huge difference

granted, if you initiate with ashe's arrow you can turn the tides in the blink of an eye...

i still like cait because her range is so ridiculous, not to mention her 90 caliber net makes for a great escape tool / juke mechanic.

graves is okay too, i just hate that his Q and range got nerfed a bit.

fed vayne is probably the most ridiculous, tris is really good too


ps)there is no single strongest AD carry but the ones listed above are probably some of the best, and there are hard counters to specific champs, like sivir's spellshield against cait, etc.

pss) us ad carries love alistar, blitzcrank, sona, and soraka. we luv u.