Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[Coolboyrulez0]

seeing as both spitfiya and mrplopadop are both men i'd enjoy making sweet love with, i'll cast my vote their way hoping this increase my chances with them.
(for real tho, both are very qualified and awesome people to boot.)

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

damn, complimented by both one of my stepman idols as well as a guy who generally loathes each and every file that i put out. fuck it, i'm gettin' extra cheese on my sub tonight!

I don't need to like your charts to see you know what your doing

I mean anything I think I've ever said about your charts was mostly personal preference, but I can't remember clearly so that might be inaccurate.

Dunno I just tend to disagree a lot. Maybe it's just me.

[Xiz]

I really like where this thread had ended up. Things are looking great. Oh, and hype for this batch still. Lolz.

[yo man im awesome]

Plopadop and Spitfire aren't judges yet?

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

because you enjoy it? why is everything about getting satisfaction from others towards what you do? do a job because with the motivation of saying that it's a finished job when you finish, and earn the satisfaction of finishing a job that you said you would do. I don't care if people don't appreciate the work that I do for free, but I do care that the job gets done so that others will see the benefits of it. That's two entirely different things.

Do it because you want to AND because you possess the skills to, not because you need to. Sorry, but I fail to see how it's a stupid excuse and never will. In the case of the batch, there are people that are waiting for the notes and will undoubtedly be thankful to see them, so yeah, there's something to do the notes for every single time that they are volunteering.

You're missing the point, it's not satisfaction from others but rewards for you. Say you're making your career out of stepman (huehue). You'll want something more than a "you finished your job" in the long run, so it's natural people lose motivation if that's all you get as reward. Sure people are thankful for the judges doing their job but that never gets told to them explicitly. People bitch when you do a bad job, and people don't mention it when you're doing a good job because that's to be expected.

There's a ton of research on this stuff and I can go into more depth but basically, humans thrive for:
Meaning
Recognition
Compensation

Compensation being at the bottom of the pyramid and meaning at the top of the pyramid. Compensation is what draws people, recognition is what makes people stay, and meaning is what makes the job have meaning for their everyday life. These are the basics of motivation for a job. If there's a lack of these, then you can't expect someone to be motivated either, and since you're already lacking in compensation and recognition, it's no surprise that the motivation for meaning starts to diminish as well when you get no compensation and no recognition.

Everybody loses motivation, it's how the company (or in this case, FFR) reminds them of their motivation and rewards a job well done that boosts motivation.

Also, just as backup judge? lol

[Rebirth0]

I see we're talking about adding or replacing judges. I'll throw my name into the pot, then. I'm sure you know my history regarding judging

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Oh, and hype for this batch still. Lolz.

[MarioNintendo]

[AlexDest]

deja vu

[alloyus]

@spitfire: I will say that being paid would obviously make the judges punctual, but that's human nature. In my opinion, if you volunteer for something, you're obligated to get it done and get it done on time if there's a deadline.

[iironiic]

Quite honestly, I would like to remove myself from the judging position. I honestly don't see myself having time to commit myself to judging for the batches, (let alone play FFR as much as I used to) due to school and my social life. Feel free to remove/replace me.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

You're missing the point, it's not satisfaction from others but rewards for you. Say you're making your career out of stepman (huehue). You'll want something more than a "you finished your job" in the long run, so it's natural people lose motivation if that's all you get as reward. Sure people are thankful for the judges doing their job but that never gets told to them explicitly. People bitch when you do a bad job, and people don't mention it when you're doing a good job because that's to be expected.

Fair enough. I didn't really consider it implicitly. For the past two years though, I've taken simfiling/judging as a self-rewarding process. Something that a very popular r21freak member mentioned to me holds very true to me to this day:

PRO TIP: DO NOT WORRY ABOUT APPEALING TO PEOPLE THAT WILL NEVER LIKE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF A FILE, REGARDLESS OF HOW WELL THEY DO OR DO NOT FIT

With that being said, I just basically make files for my own enjoyment. If other people like them, then it's a nice bonus for me. Otherwise, it doesn't bother me. Same thing with judgment - I do it because I enjoy it, but if people approve of the notes that I make, then it's just a bonus of me doing a job. That's the way I see it.

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

Also, just as backup judge? lol

Meant this: backup if there's already 12 judges prior to you joining the team (if bmah/JX say so, lol).

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by alloyus

@spitfire: I will say that being paid would obviously make the judges punctual, but that's human nature. In my opinion, if you volunteer for something, you're obligated to get it done and get it done on time if there's a deadline.

It's basic psychology and it's not that payment makes judges punctual per se, but it's boosts motivation. It's not just human nature, but nature of every living creature. It doesn't even have to be payment in the form of money.
Reward for a job well done = motivation boosts
No reward for a job well done = motivation diminishes

A reward can be compensation, recognition or meaning, but all three are connected. If you get payment but no recognition or meaning, you'll want to quit very soon cause it's a dead end. If you get recognition but no payment or meaning, same as before and it's a financial waste of time as well. If you get meaning and no payment or recognition, your motivation will drain with every job done because you don't get recognized for what you're doing + financial waste of time.

[Rebirth0]

Is there an actual list of people we're looking at? I'm obviously kinda coming into the middle of this discussion. I looked back a few pages in the thread and couldn't find much

[Razor]

Spitfire, Plopadop and Rebirth for judges plz.

+1s

[MarioNintendo]

^ Vote for Pedro

[kommisar]

Rebirth knows files, plopadop knows files, spitfire knows files


qualified judges damn what a concept



k i'll stop now :3

[psychoangel691]

I have recommended rebirth coming back several times, if you look around in the judges forum you'd see it. People were against it.

[megamon88]

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

It's basic psychology and it's not that payment makes judges punctual per se, but it's boosts motivation. It's not just human nature, but nature of every living creature. It doesn't even have to be payment in the form of money.
Reward for a job well done = motivation boosts
No reward for a job well done = motivation diminishes

A reward can be compensation, recognition or meaning, but all three are connected. If you get payment but no recognition or meaning, you'll want to quit very soon cause it's a dead end. If you get recognition but no payment or meaning, same as before and it's a financial waste of time as well. If you get meaning and no payment or recognition, your motivation will drain with every job done because you don't get recognized for what you're doing + financial waste of time.

Actually, I learned the opposite of this in psych class (I just had a test yesterday, go figure).

It turns out that when people do a task expecting a reward, their intrinsic motivation for that task decreases as opposed to if they had been rewarded after the task without being notified of the reward prior to finishing it, or if they had not been rewarded at all.

Here's an article explaining the study that the effect originated from: http://explorable.com/overjustification-effect.html

Basically, the researchers went to a nursery school and observed the children’s intrinsic interest in various school activities. The 3- to 5-year old children were made to play and draw using felt-tipped pens and were at the same time, put into one of three different conditions for the experiment:

- First Condition: The Expected Award Condition
In this condition, the children were promised to receive a “Good Player” ribbon for participating in the activity where they will be drawing with the use of felt-tipped pens. Take note that the kids have already been doing this activity ever since, and with pure intrinsic interest.

- Second Condition: Unexpected Award Condition
In this condition, the children were not told about the reward they would be getting until they actually finished the activity.

- Third Condition: No-Reward Condition
Lastly, in this third condition, the children were not told or given any kind of reward. This group of kids served as the control group, since extrinsic rewards were not involved either before or after the said activity.


Later on, the children were again observed in a free-play setting to find out whether there is a significant difference in the number of children participating in the same activity, this time, without any promise of a reward. Here's a graph of what happened when they let the kids play:



As you can see, the kids who were originally given an incentive to drawing spent considerably less time doing it by themselves without reward, thus illustrating the decline of instrinsic motivation with the presence of rewards.

It's a really interesting effect, and if you want to do more reading into I suggest you do - psychology in general is really interesting.

[Rebirth0]

I remember bmah specifically asking me if I wanted to judge when the next batch is ready (which would have been the last one). I said yes but nothing happened beyond that